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Sisi 05-29-2013 03:21 AM

Poll: Who are waiting for the BRZ STI?
 
I wonder how many people are waiting to buy the BRZ STI

|-Goku-| 05-29-2013 04:05 AM

I'm waiting for the 2014 BRZ.

Don't care to hold out for something that we know exists but don't know if it will ever hit production.

I think the BRZ/FR-S are great as they are. Sure, it COULD use more power, but does it need it to be a fun car to drive? Nope.

WolfpackS2k 05-29-2013 09:52 AM

If Subaru comes out with a more powerful (50-100hp) model and charges a reasonable amount for it, then I will trade in my BRZ Limited for it. If they don't, I'll boost the BRZ myself or sell it for a used Cayman S. (or new WRX if its anything like the hotness that is the Concept)

Turbowned 05-29-2013 10:14 AM

Nope! No way I could wait that long to get into this car. A year was long enough!

nalc 05-29-2013 10:42 AM

Nope. Only needed to push the engine past 4k a handful of times in 500 miles, so why pay for more power when I'm not using all I've got? Then again, I don't track it, nor do I race at stoplights or hoon around, and there's plenty of power to accelerate from lights, pass on the highway, etc.

If there were some cool STI options I might consider adding them to my Limited, though. I'm not in love with the fender vents, and if they did come out with a STI with nicer ones that weren't too "Look at me", I'd probably be fairly early in line. I'd like having some OEM options for improving the look and feel of the car, as long as they're not plastered with STI stickers or overtly ricey (I'll pass on the STI spoiler). Same goes for stuff that will tighten up the handling, if they come out with STI motor mounts or other bushings, I'd probably choose those over OE replacements when it comes time to replace that kind of stuff, although I doubt I'd replace them early.

a2cpc 05-29-2013 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by |-Goku-| (Post 966339)
I'm waiting for the 2014 BRZ.

Don't care to hold out for something that we know exists but don't know if it will ever hit production.

I think the BRZ/FR-S are great as they are. Sure, it COULD use more power, but does it need it to be a fun car to drive? Nope.


I am in the same boat. I am relatively happy with my WRX. If an 230 - 250hp BRZ came out I would be really interested.

King Tut 05-29-2013 11:26 AM

Nice pole OP. People waiting for the BRZ STI will be sorely disappointed when it never comes out and they have missed the chance to be driving a BRZ for many years.

dsgerbc 05-29-2013 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k (Post 966546)
(or new WRX if its anything like the hotness that is the Concept)

It's not. It's gonna basically look like the current Impreza with a body kit.

DeepHunta 05-29-2013 11:54 AM

I am. Eagerly waiting for it. I'll trade my BRZ as soon as I like the specs and it has been sent to production.

WolfpackS2k 05-29-2013 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsgerbc (Post 966691)
It's not. It's gonna basically look like the current Impreza with a body kit.

I disagree. It's been reported repeatedly that the WRX is splitting off from the Impreza model line to be it's own model. Even if it doesn't look like the Concept from the NYIAS it will still look significantly different than the Impreza.

And if it doesn't, well then I won't consider one!:laughabove:

Sisi 05-29-2013 11:57 AM

I will wait til end of next year. If it comes out without + 20 to 30hp then I will just purchase a limited BRZ.

End of next will be good, more time for me to save some money for the wheel and other goodies😜

LeeMaster 05-29-2013 12:12 PM

Negatory, I am in love with my BRZ, a few extra HP and BBK and aerodynamic is not worth an extra $50-$100 insurance rate in my book.

Wonderbar 05-29-2013 12:35 PM

I'll likely buy my wife one, or an Elise.

Wonderbar 05-29-2013 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k (Post 966760)
I disagree. It's been reported repeatedly that the WRX is splitting off from the Impreza model line to be it's own model. Even if it doesn't look like the Concept from the NYIAS it will still look significantly different than the Impreza.

And if it doesn't, well then I won't consider one!:laughabove:

So the Brz will go away and the wrx will replace it as its own model perhaps.

dsgerbc 05-29-2013 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k (Post 966760)
I disagree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWRUVtlxQic#!

thill 05-29-2013 12:40 PM

I was going to wait... I am most likely picking up a BRZ Limited today.. I would look into getting into an higher horsepower/torque STI version down the road if/when an STI is released. I don't see a true STI version for 2014, so it will most likely be 2015 at the earliest.

OrbitalEllipses 05-29-2013 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k (Post 966760)
I disagree. It's been reported repeatedly that the WRX is splitting off from the Impreza model line to be it's own model. Even if it doesn't look like the Concept from the NYIAS it will still look significantly different than the Impreza.

And if it doesn't, well then I won't consider one!:laughabove:

You are sorely mistaken. It will be a further modified Impreza platform; divergence is in name only. FHI does not have the capital or resources to create an entirely separate platform for the WRX.

hanabie 05-29-2013 01:50 PM

If you are expecting something like the 2015 WRX concept, you will be so disappointed.

http://blogs.automotive.com/spied-ne...ar-134625.html

When I was looking for brz, my brother in law kept convincing me to get a WRX. More power, roomier interior, etc. I closed my eyes and looked at the brz again.
No! I'm getting my brz!

strat61caster 05-29-2013 01:55 PM

I don't think an STI will exist for the BRZ. Ever.

Or at least not one with a significant performance increase over the base model.

WolfpackS2k 05-29-2013 02:11 PM

To whoever posted that youtube clip, do you know what a testing mule is?

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses (Post 966989)
You are sorely mistaken. It will be a further modified Impreza platform; divergence is in name only. FHI does not have the capital or resources to create an entirely separate platform for the WRX.

Perhaps I should have phrased it differently. It will still use the same platform but won't share any body panels with the Impreza. Nor will it any longer be called the Impreza WRX, just WRX.

If it was really just going to be a "beefed up" Impreza it would already be out. The current gen Impreza has been out almost 2 years; Subaru pushing the current WRX with it's outdated interior and crapbox 5 speed manual is doing nobody any favors.

But, that's me being...:offtopic:

Can anyone tell me why the thread title says "Poll" and yet, I see no poll to vote on?

OrbitalEllipses 05-29-2013 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k (Post 967162)
Perhaps I should have phrased it differently. It will still use the same platform but won't share any body panels with the Impreza. Nor will it any longer be called the Impreza WRX, just WRX.

If it was really just going to be a "beefed up" Impreza it would already be out. The current gen Impreza has been out almost 2 years; Subaru pushing the current WRX with it's outdated interior and crapbox 5 speed manual is doing nobody any favors.

Being called just a WRX is true. Having the WRX made the Impreza chassis itself more expensive to produce since the WRX required certain things that the Impreza never needed. I suspect it will very similar to previous iterations; that is, drastically overstyled on top of the same underlying sheet metal as the plain jane model. The only difference this time around is that it's "not" an Impreza.

As to the second part: false. I suspect there's a good reason the WRX wasn't released with the current Impreza as a "beefed up" Impreza. Check it: new Impreza doesn't use the EJ engine that the WRX uses. They likely wanted to develop a turbo DI engine off the FB/FA iterations FIRST, THEN stick it in a chassis built around that engine, THEN call it the WRX.

Supa edit: It's logical to think about it in this manner; FHI was already working with Toyota on the twins so they were getting experience with DI. They need DI to survive in this world, so once they learned how adapt DI to their existing FB architecture the FA was born (using Toyota's D4S). Using this knowledge, Subaru developed their own DI system (see Japanese models) and then went further to create a performance engine by turbocharging it. We're just waiting to see that engine dropped in the proper chassis now.

thill 05-29-2013 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 967124)
I don't think an STI will exist for the BRZ. Ever.

Or at least not one with a significant performance increase over the base model.

Depends. If sales start to slack and enough people would be willing to pay for an STI version (and I believe there is a market) then I think Subaru/Toyota will bring something to market.

That said, I don't see it being a 300hp+ monster. I expect it to have about 250+ horsepower at the most.

Still, you could be right and Subaru may simply not want to crossover to WRX STI sales.

Sport-Tech 05-29-2013 03:33 PM

225 hp, 180 tqs - sign me up.

So where's the poll? :iono:

dsgerbc 05-29-2013 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k (Post 967162)
To whoever posted that youtube clip, do you know what a testing mule is?

That's not a mule, it's a camoed pre-production demo. But believe what you will.

zc06_kisstherain 05-29-2013 05:45 PM

since i already purchased BRZ, i wouldnt trade it for STI. i will rather buy aftermarket parts and upgrade. if i didn't buy BRZ, then i would consider STI version if upgraded parts and price are reasonable.

Whitigir 05-29-2013 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thill (Post 967306)
Depends. If sales start to slack and enough people would be willing to pay for an STI version (and I believe there is a market) then I think Subaru/Toyota will bring something to market.

That said, I don't see it being a 300hp+ monster. I expect it to have about 250+ horsepower at the most.

Still, you could be right and Subaru may simply not want to crossover to WRX STI sales.

BRZ and WRX STI are both two different Cars....

BRZ = 2 doors, RWD
WRX STI = 4 doors, AWD

Every Sport car Enthusiast love 2 doors COUPE. Only Sport car Enthusiast with Family and KIDS will go for the WRX STI. The Minority of people who want a good affordable AWD Sedan in the winter will go for WRX version.

So if there was even BRZ STI, I love it, but I will have to go for WRX STI, because I have kids, and other people with family will do the same

***Note to BRZ STI***

If you come out with BRZ STI anything close to 38k.....People will buy a C7 Corvette. That is my point of view, both are RWD Coupe and 2 doors

l0aded 05-29-2013 06:36 PM

BRZ limited is already 28K. BRZ STI probably 32k? Thats 7K over an FRS for a few ammenities, body kit, and a small performance boost. Probably not down unless FIed.

Cameronghanson 05-29-2013 06:41 PM

no way

JGordon 05-29-2013 06:51 PM

I am waiting. Not necessarily for the STI model, but some sort of Spec B/STI/more powerful model. I really want a sports car to replace the Acura RSX-S I got rid of (driving an Xterra right now), and I really want it to be more powerful than said RSX-S -- as much as I loved the it, the RSX really could have used more power. I had my eye on a used Cayman before all of the details about the BRZ came out. It will be a year or two before I'm in the financial position to pick one up (will be a 3rd car for me and the wife), so might as well get everything I want. Now, I check this board a few times a week looking for nibbles on the STI model.

Just gotta convince said wife why we need said sports car...

Brzetto 05-29-2013 08:04 PM

Not I. The STI may never make production anyway. Snooze you lose, the people who wait for a car that's probably never coming will be pissed when they miss their chance to buy this beauty.

bucket 05-29-2013 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k (Post 966546)
If Subaru comes out with a more powerful (50-100hp) model and charges a reasonable amount for it, then I will trade in my BRZ Limited for it. If they don't, I'll boost the BRZ myself or sell it for a used Cayman S. (or new WRX if its anything like the hotness that is the Concept)

I'm in the same boat, although I don't think I would look at the WRX.

DeeezNuuuts83 05-30-2013 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech (Post 967391)
225 hp, 180 tqs - sign me up.

Unless you're suggesting that they increase the displacement or add forced induction, you're not going to get that kind of peak hp and torque from an NA 2.0-liter.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Marchy (Post 968119)
being able to go fast through a corner > being able to go fast in a straight line.

Going faster through a corner > going fast through a corner

iLuveKetchup 05-30-2013 12:25 AM

I'm waiting for an STi. Hopefully it will be lighter with no radio or AC option. And no more ice mode braking.

86BRZ 05-30-2013 12:35 AM

I am interested and "waiting" but I am driving a BRZ limited now. One must know after the STI there will be another 20xx model with ??? coming.... Auto maker always have a newer model next year with some new stuff... life is short, buy it now.

sprintertrueno86 05-30-2013 01:09 AM

Yea...and wait until 2016-2017 model.

...and then the Supra comes out.

kroarke 05-30-2013 01:33 AM

The whole point of this car was to be affordable and fun. I doubt that subaru wants to cannibalize sales of the WRX STI. I can see it going one of three directions:

1. They will create a sport package that adds roughly $2,000 worth of kit and call it a day.
No engine mods. Maybe suspension but mostly cosmetic and aero. Maximum price of $30,000 MSRP.

or

2. They will sell STI and SPT parts and try to create a mod culture and embrace that it is better at turning than going in a straight line. Which they already do.

or

3. Now that they've seen that they can sell a RWD car. They will move the STI upmarket and slide the BRZ STI in its price point. (This much less likely than the others.) The WRX STI already boarders on too expensive for what it is.

This is uncharted territory for them honestly. They designed it to be an entry level sports car. So an entry level sports car it will stay.

WolfpackS2k 05-30-2013 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l0aded (Post 967855)
BRZ limited is already 28K. BRZ STI probably 32k? Thats 7K over an FRS for a few ammenities, body kit, and a small performance boost. Probably not down unless FIed.

Or the additional performance enhancements could be available on a "Premium" trim model. So instead of the cost being heaped on a $28k car, its being heaped on a $26k car. There's no rule that says you can only give more horsepower to the top trim model.

Pete156 05-30-2013 10:49 AM

I'm not holding my breath. Instead I'm building my own STI BRZ. It will wear STI badges, have 250-275 whp, considerably less oversteer and turn heads with it's subtle look. It probably won't be done for a few months but the plans are coming along nicely.


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