Car and Driver- Scion Test Drive
 

Hi everyone this my first post! I apologize if I posted this wrong its late and I am very tired. The website states an estimated base price of 25k which I think is pricey and a curb weight of 2,800 - 2,900lbs which isn't less than the initial 2,700 as mentioned in another post. Not sure if I read in Car and Driver or Motortrend that the U.S. Scion model will get the full 200hp.


http://www.caranddriver.com/photo-ga...t-drive-review

Mototrend- Scion FR-S
 

If the info is true, then....
First bold is fail, at least for people who want FR-S. The second bold is even more fail, at least for people living in the US. Third bold is extreme fail, at least for me. I don't give a damn about 200hp vs 197hp.

Those articles are from December.

Thanks for clarification. That makes more sense now.

Dude the FR-S is 200 HP and around 2700 pounds if you get the 6 speed manual version.

I think the BRZ came in at 2765 pounds, so the FRS will be no heavier than the BRZ.

Sweet pics!!:party0030:

In the latest Car and Driver (with the feature on the new Cobra) there is a preview on the FR-S/BRZ. I can't find it online but the gist was:

*$26,000 est. price
*28xx lbs for manual, I believe
*0-60 in 6 seconds
*21 - 29 mpg
*it drove fantastically almost similar to the dynamics of the first gen. S2000
*BRZ understeers and needs to be provoked to slide, the FRS does it naturally

It was a positive yet luke warm article - praised the cars for their driving dynamics and engine but didn't come off as overly enthusiastic as other journalists are.

Car and driver is the same same rag that critiqued the Viper for the trunk being too small so.......

Really? That is funny. :bellyroll:

Well, it probably is! Hahah

I get your point, still, I appreciate automotive journalists pointing out shortcomings of things that may or may not be relevant to the buyer - you may not see the need for some practicality in a Viper (golf bags?) but you probably aren't a prospective buyer - hence your criticism of C&D is just as 'trivial'.

What shocked me was the 0-60 time of 6 seconds flat. C&D do have fast drivers and launch their cars in such an aggressive, abusive manner it'd be irresponsible for an owner to mimic but still.. that's a 1 second difference between them and the rest! :confused0068:

I'm digging the timely 'Competitor Galleries' on the right:
2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT & Spyder GT? :bonk:

On what basis do you conclude that C&D have faster or fast drivers and launch cars aggressive and abusively?

C & D is just a bunch of BMW fanboys...I probably give them the least attention when it comes to the car mags. Their editors are a bunch of fogeys anyway.

Calm down over there. Those are not official test numbers, it's what Car and Driver "estimates".

And I'll take Car and Driver's reviews over any other car magazine's. Seems like most rags these days, like Motortrend and especially Road & Track, seem to be on some sort of environmental crusade.

I recall an article from some time ago (Motor Trend? Inside Line?) that discussed the procedure for data acquisition and made several jabs at C&D and their aggressive approach of flogging the hell outta the car. It was then discussed on Vortex's The Car Lounge and some posters from the automotive industry confirmed/remarked about C&D practices. It could be BS but C&D consistently post times faster, regardless of vehicle or test location, then most all other journalists.

You can try searching Vortex for the thread but the search function is a bit screwy over there. As well, you'll want to check the archived section because this could've been 3-5 years ago.

So what if they do? People want to know what the car's capable of. And usually if they go to extremes in getting those times they state as much.

I've done countless high rpm clutch drops in my time as a driver (even past 7,000 rpm) and I've never had a clutch (or anything else) fail prematurely on me.

Nobody has done real 0-60 testing. There are not production cars yet...march april at the earliest. I still predict it will be 6.0 secs.

Fast enough for me....

guess your definition of premature is pretty loose. A normal clutch that is driven conservatively can last 100-150k miles. I find it hard to believe you can get decent life out of anything but a full racing clutch doing "countless" 7k rpm drops.

Ever owned an EVO? I've owned 2 and the first one's clutch died at 25k miles. And no I didn't race it or dump the clutch.

exactly why I won't be putting my own turbo in this car. Modern cars are complicated enough and unreliable as is so I won't be going and voiding any warranty or destroying my resale value.

personal choice though... If you have the cash to do it right and don't mind shelling out serious coin to do it again when it breaks it can be a very fun hobby. Just too rich for my blood nowadays.

Sad thing is, the only mods I has on the EVO were an intake and ECU flash.

Well a flash alone can add 75+ hp, enough to put undue stress on a clutch already strained close to its engineering limits. So it was a flashed Evo that got its clutch fried, there's your reason...