NASA TTD Track Record at Sebring!
 

I'm at Sebring this weekend and was hoping to challenge for the TTD class record.

It stood at 2:34.15 - set a few years ago by a supercharged Miata with a good driver.

I was able to do a bit better than that today.

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2:31.893!

Video to come soon...

Great job, can't wait to see the video :)

Damn Jon, nice work! Looks like you're hell bent on breaking every track TTD record lol.

Was that Joshua's record in TTD?

Wow!

Waiting for the video

For those who aren't familiar with NASA Time Trial competition, I'll try to break it down as simply as possible:

Every car is assigned a base classification. The classes are TTF, TTE, TTD, TTC, TTB, TT1/2/3 in order from slow to fast.

Any modification you do to the car adds "points" to your car. You are only allowed to spend 19 points within your class, once you asses your 20th modification point your car gets bumped up to the next highest class. So as you can imagine it becomes very important to be smart about your mods and how you spend your points.

The full rules are here: http://www.nasa-TT.com

They can seem overwhelming and confusing at first but the system is designed to equalize cars as best as possible. I recommend attending an event and talking to your local TT racers and series directors if you're interested in friendly competition. The FR-S platform has proven extremely competitive so far.

See my previous post about nearly winning the National Championship last year.

So, the FR-S is a base class of TTD which leaved me with 19 points to spend without getting bumped up to TTC. There is also a weight to horsepower ratio that you cannot exceed: for TTD it is 14.25:1. If you are lower than that, regardless of points, you get bumped up.

I actually still have a few points to play with within my class, but it's almost to the limit.

It's a great format for HPDE drivers to bridge the gap between driving for fun and full out wheel to wheel racing.

Thanks! It didn't start out with that goal in mind (I was more focused on Nationals), but the process has been fun so far! I'll probably have to wait till next year to head back to PBiR (if it makes it on the schedule), another place I've got a lot of laps and have had the car on track there already.

I think that was Josh's car with Victor Leo driving it. Josh came up to congratulate me, but that was this morning when I put up a 2:33.2... I'm not sure how he feels about a 31!

Another friend is building a TTD Civic that is apparently going to be a monster - but it won't really be ready until later this year. They think that car in D trim will be in the 20s around Sebring, which would be very impressive.

Very quick. Great work!

Thanks for the info, btw, what tires you are running?

I run 225/40/17 Hoosier A6s.

How wide are your rims? I know a few guys that are running 225 on 9 inch rims.

17x8

Congrats, looks fun!

Great job Jon. Really delivering with this car!

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Haha, too funny. L.D. told me you are on coilovers; which brand, and how did they do at Sebring? I'm at Sebring about once a month, and I want to find a coilover that can put up with a track that rough, without having to step up to a crazy custom Penske setup or something along those lines.

I run BC Racing Coilovers. Their distribution center is in Orlando and I was their test fit car before they released them. They do the job just fine!

Yeah that's why I removed the springs I had.. running Eibach R2s now.. they might need more bump travel in the rear to be sebring friendly, I'll find out soon hopefully.

This goes against everything preached on this forum... lol.

Jon is a pro. He'd make it fast with any suspension.

Dave when are you coming down to Sebring next? Chin is next weekend, and then in June.

Not sure honestly. Job situation is.. uhmm.. fluid at the moment and I have a race with Chump at Daytona in late may, and maybe Charlotte MS in June. Assuming I do both of those my track funds will be spent for both months, so July probably.. if one or both of those races fall through, probably May 11th with PCA (only because I might be in Cali first May weekend - and Chin might be full I haven't looked), otherwise Chin in June :thumbup:

busy schedule!!

man "A's are 13 points....But you get 4 back...for the 225 size the BC's (with springs are 5 thats 14 points...
So no BBK and ??
lol
catback +2 cat delete +1 Intake +1 pump for the e85...

lol trying to see what the full points setup is.

Robi

Video of the lap:

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Jon, VIR...do it!!! does the hoosier contingency kick in at every track or at the end of the season. cus you're placing pretty regularly now.

btw are you driving OLOA for anyone?

hahahaha, the DJ'ing while setting a lap record is great!

Hoosier contingency is available at every event.

I'm going to try to bring the car to VIR in July when I'm there for the Ultimate Track Car Challenge (driving something else... with quite a bit more horsepower)

Current record at VIR is a 2:14.something in TTD... pretty damn quick around there for a D car! It was set in an MX-5. Probably a Playboy Cup car, but I have no idea what mods it had above and beyond the MX-5 Playboy Cup spec, if anything - the Florida region posts everyone's spec sheets if you're a competitor, but nobody else does that, that I'm aware of.

As for OLOA... not this year. I wish. Leh's gonna be tough to beat in that new GTR. I've done the event twice, but I'd love to give it another go in a car capable of challenging for an overall win. So, basically, a GTR.

Great job! I noticed you behind me @ check-in on Sun AM, as I was headed to the AutoX.

I use to take my M3 to Curtis from WTF..he's a good guy.

Saw you there as well, great looking car! Hope the AutoX was fun... it was odd to hear loud sliding and tire squealing all day. I kept forgetting you guys were over there and thinking there was about to be a crash on track!

Hey remember, Skeen put down a 2.24 bone stock.. and i've heard of someone else putting in a 2.17 on 265's and springs so 2.13 for your setup is in reach i think.

Have you experience any odd behaviors on track i.e. ice mode, CELs, etc. ?

I can't answer for Jon, but I haven't yet..

Side mirrors folded in for maximum aero?

Nice lap!

I've found my GoPro also doesn't deal with the light contrast from the sun well when mounted to the back window. Hard to see the track when the sun is beaming down on the dash, but I've learned enough from my Forza laps at Sebring to know where you are on track.

Break all the records now before they realize they made a huge mistake putting this car in TTD :)

Actually had a conversation with the NASA officials about this... I really believe it is a solid D car and with the mods I've done, it makes it a very good D car. But remember - I came in 2nd at nationals last year. I didn't win. It's not an over-dog in the class. It can be beat, but I'm just trying to show the true capabilities of it. I've been totally transparent with the officials and have given them every opportunity to look the car over, weigh it, Dyno it, GPS it, etc.

At Sebring I have 1000+ laps. It's my home track. I know the place pretty well and the history of TT competition in FL isn't necessarily as strong as in other regions. I have a friend building a TTD civic for later this year - he will be strong competition as his car will make far more power than mine.

At Roebling, the car is pretty damn near the perfect setup for that track. I expected to be pretty fast there (though not a 20.2... Now I want a 19!).

If the car gets bumped up a class it won't be competitive and in my opinion they would only hurt themselves by discouraging people to run the car. For example to TTC record at Sebring is a 2:26. No way could this car touch that time without Forced induction. D is where the car belongs.

My real hope is that people see what the car can do and decide to come out and start competing for themselves!

Yeah, I have to hang it off the rear window and it just doesn't adjust we'll. I think DaveRor has the right idea with putting it on the outside driver side rear window. That way you get a very clear view of the track and the drivers hands. I'll try that angle next time.

I have not experienced Ice mode in this car.

I have felt the EBD working under my feet and I have also driven with the pedal dance method. I do notice a difference with everything turned off (pedal dance) but I've only done it once, so I'll need to try it again to give my full thoughts.

This lap was set without the pedal dance method used but traction completely off by holding the button.

My comment was half-sarcasm, but the info is good as it's one thing I've been curious about. I'm not terribly familiar with NASA TT, but few friends who do it have been wondering if it would need reclass. Good to know it's going to be a very competitive car :)

Jon,
I'm interested in your setup for TTD. I used to run a 2001 Corvette Z06 in TTA but totaled it at Roebling in 2012. I picked up a 2013 BRZ recently and was thinking about getting back into time trails and perhaps autocross. I don't want to make the car into a complete race car (the C5Z was). Setup advice?

I can not tell you anything about setup advice, but what I can tell you is where Jon spent his points. I got this information from the NASA TT forums.


225 A6 +13
TTD allows 245 as standard running 225 -4
Tires : +9
Exhaust: +2
Suspension: +5 (BC Coils)
Tune: E85 @ 181 hp and 140 tq (It was somewhere around these numbers. I am pulling from memory on this one)


Total 16 of 19 allowed.


I hope this helped.