Can hellaflush be done "right"
 

Can you make a car look flush or hellaflush while retaining driveability and preformance? I know some idiots in the Hellaflush scene do stupid shit like cut springs and put rediculous ammounts of camber they can't control on their cars but I don't see why, if a combination of good quality parts and planning, one couldn't make a Hellaflush car be just as safe as stock if not more (minus stretched tires, they don't belong anywhere other than car shows). I'm asking because I really like the hellaflush look but I don't want to compromise saftey to do it. If I hit some little kid just cause my car was hellagay, id feel bad and saftey is starting to factor more in my vehicle selection.

With my speeding habits. I personally don't think hellaflush can ever be done right. :P

Scrappppppeeeeeee.

I thought hellaflush meant cambered wheels that extend past the wheel well with stretched tires? They basically try to fit the widest wheel possible and set the car at the lowest height while still being able to "drive", no?

But anyway you sound stupid based on the bolded part above so just slam it and rub and scrape all day err day, if you don't crack an oil pan you are doing it wrong.

Yes, but by the time you fix all the idiotic crap involved in Hellaflush, it's not really Hellatrendy anymore. There's the obvious stuff like the excessive camber and stretched tires. But if you actually want your mods to improve handling you're going to have issues with the 2"+ drop in height. It's going to play holy hell with your suspension geometry, there's a good thread covering this in the Suspension forum. You'd need either drop spindles or extended ball joints to mitigate some of that. But the most important thing is to make sure you've still got adequate suspension travel, I can't stress that enough. And also, you'd want to stay away from huge wheels with rubberband tires: Keep it above ~40 series.

But at that point, you've got a well modded car with aggressive wheel fitment, which isn't particularly "Hellaflush".


Oh, the irony.

That's flush enough for me! That's basically hellaflush without the neon colored wheels and bike rack(wtf? If you have a bike it makes sense but still). I think a lot of people confuse hellaflush with demon camber. Any cambered car can't be considered truly hellaflush since camber, toe, and caster aren't flush. And I still don't understand people streeting stretched tires. It dosent take much to know stretched tires aren't streetable.

yes...lets not mistake Oni Cars as the same as the Stance Movement

Oni Car
http://www.snegidhi.com/2010/99-07-05/oni_camber_08.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4108/...e1c906d81c.jpg

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Hellaflush is like those Oni Cars, what LSx posted is NOT Hellaflush, it's Well Fitted Wheels. Let's not confuse the two...

Seems to me the definition of hella flush is to have broken/screwed up suspension with a tire/wheel combo thats just plain incorrect. So no I don't believe there is a right way to have a broken car.

fittment.......such a loose term now days.....

Can hellaflush be done "right" is an oxymoron. A properly done suspension wheel/suspension combo is properly done and not hellaflush.

Well fitted wheels > Hella(can't drive properly)flush.

If i'm not mistaken that S2k is bagged which is a waste imo.
Another thing about this hellaflush is that it's cool to have messed up body work due to your setup? So in turn having a crappy looking car is cool?
I'd rock a flush VIP car though. Let's also address what the hell "stance" is because that crap confuses me also as to what it is.

I love the Z and vette above though, proper fitment that looks performance oriented.

The term stance to me is not associated with the hellaflush movement. IMO it is subjective and refers to the overall look of the car. For example I would say the BRZ STI has a very good, but not perfect, stance and the stock BRZ is a meh stance.

That. Is a. Beautiful look.

Most of the hellaflush cars are on air ride suspension so their goal isn't to get "great handling" but rather getting as low as you can with the wheels as cambered and flush as possible. I don't see why some have to hate on it since it's just a different way of customizing a car.

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What LSxJunkie posted is nicely down flush stance but not hella

Hella is like 5 steps beyond what was posted

pretty much if you just scrap you are doing it right and are Hellaflush if you can still drive it like its meant to be driven then you aren't doing it right

True, anyone can do what they want with their car. However to me it looks stupid.

Fitment diagram
 

It's always different strokes for different folks. There isn't any performance aspect about it, just looking clean and dropped. That's why I give them more respect b/c they are not trying to go out on the track and around town, it's aired up so it's not scraping everywhere.

I would rather see a hellaflush car than a riced out car with a huge body kit that doesn't fit, huge wing, pointless decals, huge fart pipe and a douchebag kid driving it.

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So forgive me for my ignorance: what is the point of flush fitment if there is no way for the tire vertical movement? It seems that it will scrape the panel no matter how hard you set your spring...

I see it as the exact same thing. I think the amount of hate comes from the fact that this look is anti performance and really more of a fashion statement. This is a forum for a car focused on being a drivers car so I think most of us are focused on the driving characteristics and setups like this are almost an insult to how we think as driving enthusiasts.

haha,

i rock a slight mexiflush when my summer wheels go on,

LOVE IT

That diagram is so WIN! haha, if you notice, all the struts, coilovers, and even the fender-rolling can be seen differently! Great attention to detail to whoever made that :thumbsup:

Not the point of the thread. The point of the thread was whether or not hellaflush can be done right, ie, keeping performance and safety.

True "hellaflush" will be less safe and have lower performance limits than properly fitted and setup wheel/tire/suspension setups. So the answer is no as explained already.

I personally think the VIP, hella flush, etc crap is really really retarded but at the same time I don't give a crap what others do with their cars as long as it doesn't affect me any. The bad part is, some of these hellaflush setups can affect your life because some of them ARE dangerous.

If it's a show car, have the wheels at 80 degree camber for all I care.

I don't personally like the look but people should do whatever they want and like, it is their car and money.

I just think it is silly he says if he hits a kid with his car because he dangerously modified it he would "feel bad". Certain trends seem to have more of certain types of people, that's all.

^ Why do you sound so immature?

Yeah that is true. I personally wouldn't hack up my suspension so that it's tucking w/a camber and put air bags but those who are into the hellaflush look, do focus on keeping it clean and simple.

This is probably as far as I would go and for the FR-S, 2.5" would be pushing it. Nice wheel and tire combo with a semi aggressive offset, nothing too stretched.

Nice dub! :thumbsup:
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Ok guys, even if you don't care much for different car cultures. At least be respectful to others especially if you disagree with their views and tastes. Telling people they are stupid/retarded/silly for liking different things is stretching my tolerance.

Its clear that the stance movement is a culture, encompassing;(Oni Cars, HellaFlush, Hellapoke, VIP, and others i forget to mention) is not clearly defined or identified, only placed among a spectrum of possibilities.

Regardless of which ever defining characteristic you place on that movement. If you choose to follow, there are 3 rules Id urge you to consider.

1. Do not do anything that could endanger yourself.
2. Do not do anything that could endanger others.
3. Never assume your setup is free of rules 1 & 2.

To me hellaflush is in the same category as a car that is riced out.

Personally I don't consider calling a trend retarded to be the same as calling a person retarded. The two things are completely different.

I've done plenty of retarded things in my life, but I'm not a tard.. well maybe I'm a bad example. :P

I have no problem calling an inanimate object stupid. That doesn't go against the TOS of the forum. Calling another member stupid is a different story.

I agree and it did originate from somewhere where it was functional! ;)

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http://www.autospecsltd.com/Japanese..._Drift_Car.jpg

Oh yeah, an exhibition event :)

Even if we want to call them race cars I certainly hope people keep their street cars at a safer level than their race cars. The cage/seat/harness is the only thing safe about my race car.

:bellyroll: me too!

I understand completely they are two different things and does not break TOS. However let me also say that many tuners and enthusiast believe that a vehicle is also an extension of them-self. Some see the car as a blank canvas, and project their own sense of beauty onto the car. This does not escape engineering minded individuals who build their car for function. Also a personal projection of who they are.

When you start to describe someones car in an ill manner, its not surprising that they would take it as a personal attack. Even more so for one who is in love..or attached to their car.

When you start to describe someones beliefs in an ill manner, like a car culture or even religion, politics, ect..they will take it as a personal attack. Again amplified to how attached they are to the ideals.

Whichever the justification is wrong or right. Just be aware of this psychological element before directing any sort of hate towards something.

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that being said

majority of hella-flush guys are retarded :bellyroll: j/k

Don't forget FWD... that's a safety feature! :bellyroll: ;) j/k

Not just exhibition events either. The BTCC and JTCC carsback in the days were all slammed! I loved the old Nissan Primeras. It was actually fun to watch some of those races on the old Speed TV before they sold out to Nascar.

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Because Race Car.

FWD is a safety feature for those who can't drive, like me :)

And I wouldn't describe any of that second set of pics as hellaflush.

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Based on Andrew's post, the neg camber and being tucked seem to fit the bill but hellaflush has been domesticated to a household term. I know it refers more towards the wide wheels, super stretched tires, and -5 deg camber.

I don't mean to sound like an advocate for the hellaflush look but it's been around since the 80's in both Japan and in Europe. Car enthusiasts want to keep pushing the envelope and perhaps it's beyond people's threshold.

To me, it's not that bad and I've seen uglier that I'd rather hate on than the hellaflush look.

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http://www.thespeedlounge.com/sl/wp-...anMateo221.jpg

"Hellaflush" and "retain drive-ability and performance" don't belong in the same sentence; it's just grammatically incorrect, not to mention scientifically impossible.


I mean unless... http://www.jasperfforde.com/toad/images/hovercar.jpg
If you can say F*** you physics then ANYTHING is possible :happyanim: