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Scion FRS / BRZ Issue Compilation and Questionnaire
Hello Everyone,
I recently joined this thread after many months of following it, and a few years of following this car. I have spent many hours looking through all the threads and compiling the problems that I thought were important or "real" issues in my eyes. I hope to either buy the FR-S/BRZ or an S2000 but I am undecided so I would like your help in making my decision! At this point I do not think I could buy a car with ALL these issues :eyebulge: but I highly doubt that a late model vehicle has most or even many of these problems. The following is a chart that I compiled which shows the issue, the description/symptoms and a potential solution (if it exists) and a link to a thread from this site that applies. This is roughly in order of how much this problem concerns me. I would be buying one made this year (i.e. build date after Jan. 1st, 2013) so if you own one made this year or very close to it, I would really appreciate if you could let me know the following info about your awesome machine:
I will try to collect and organize the responses into a list of "occurrences" but I may not have time for this. I really appreciate any help you can give me :thanks:, and hopefully this will put myself (rabid FT86 fan) and other people like me into a higher level of comfort and maybe one of these sweet cars :burnrubber: Thanks, Andrew EDIT 4/6/2013: Entered in number of occurrences of each issue in red, collected from the 8 responses I have so far (all built pre-2013 as far as I can tell). Looking for post-2013 build dates! But all responses are much appreciated! |
1. FR-S
2. April 2012...car #02955 3. 21,000KMs 4. #6...annoying as hell. Shell 91 w/o ethanol, or Sunoco/Petro Canada 94 with 1-2 oz of good quality 2-stroke oil for a full tank will stop the chirp. There is some debate as to wether this should be done or not, and the dealer wouldn't like it, but 1 or 2 ounces per 50 litres is not going to be enough to foul spark plugs/cat. converters/O2 sensors. #9...pentosin fixed this for me. #10...Don't plug the holes. Some of the ones in the link look a little sloppy, but they're there for drainage. If you look under one of these cars, you'll find those holes all the way up the rocker panel (4 or 5 on each side). If you plug them, any water that gets in can't get out. #12...Clean glass rubbing on damp rubber will squeak. Normal as far as I'm concerned. 5. Nothing really to be fixed until/unless they come up with a cure for the crickets. 6. I believe there is now a TSB for the crickets in Canada, but those that have had it done in the USA have reported the crickets come back shortly after the "fix" was done. |
Scion FR-S
#07696 11kMiles #3. it is there, never thought much about it, might take it in for review when it gets warmer #5. no clutch here, but the gearbox whines under heavy loads. no answer yet #6. still no solutions. no matter what gas i put in. only one was tank appeared to be the right one, but it was 500 miles away. #11. fixed by dealer one side only #12. have it every time it rains. it should not be there. |
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For #6: I figured this is the only fix right now until they figure out what's wrong with the fuel pump. The TSB just replaces it with the same part #! #9: I hoped that Pentosin would work. :w00t: Anyone else try Pentosin? And what was the result? #10: Are you sure this is for drainage? How would water get in there if those holes were sealed? #12: So you think it's a design flaw? Some of the videos show this being pretty damn loud. |
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#3: If it's loud at all, this would drive me nuts. But I could just crank some tunes. #5: Have you tried changing tranny/diff. fluids? #12: I agree. Maybe the seal needs to be replaced? |
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So you have none of these issues?? Or some of them, but they don't bother you? |
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Some owners would have taken my car in 2 or 3 times to try and fix something (an intermittent pop, burning smell, extremely minor condensation around the edges of the taillights which is normal for all newer cars) but I don't see the need. It works as designed and nothing has given me any worry. I'll check for the oil leak when I do my first oil change in the next month, if a noise becomes annoying I'll figure it out. It all depends on how anal retentive you are. I bought a ToyoBaru, not a Lexus :party0030::happy0180::burnrubber: |
1. Scion FR-S
2. #13151 3. ~4500 miles 4. #6, #9 only when it is a pure cold start (plan on fixing with pentosin) 5. Nope 6. Word on the street, new part # for a new fuel pump will be out to resolve #6. Trying Pentosin for #9 |
Great, thanks.
And a new pump would be awesome. It should just be a matter of time! |
I get no chirps if I use Chevron - Mobil works too but engine is rougher with Mobil than Chevron.
Issues: Occasionally passenger auto up doesn't work 2 strips visible on the outside of door windows Rear deck rattle/pop once in a while Floor mats - just buy weather techs everything else I don't have/ meant to (ie. the transmission, it has 'crunchy'/'bad' feel at the beginning of cold starts because of how good it feels after being warmed up) |
Cool, thanks.
I am hoping I see more people like you without too many issues. Gona add another question above: would you still buy the car with the issues you have? I suspect most would say yes. :) |
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^ Agreed. I would buy one again in a heartbeat. The crickets do drive me nuts though.
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Scion FR-S, Built 11/12, 1000+ miles now but increasing quickly.
So far only problem was a wearing floor mat. Bought aftermarket ones. I'd buy another in a heartbeat, most fun I've had with my clothes on. Most new designs are going to have some issues, factory warrantee is there for that. And many of these are isolated or what I would consider minor. I would only worry if they started replacing engines and transmissions like some new models back in the old days. |
My build was Sept 2012. The only issue I have had is the squeak coming from the rear package shelf, nothing else. Strangely it disappeared a few months back but has now returned. I find it pretty odd that Subaru came out a few months back with a fix for this problem on their BRZ but Scion hasn't come out with one yet. I talked with corporate a few days back and they talked as if they hadn't heard of this which I find pretty hard to believe.
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Thanks guys, this is good info.
I suspected that these issues were not as common as they seemed. I am now leaning towards getting this car. Though this issue really does concern me :eyebulge:: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32297 Might require a recall :laughabove: But seriously, please keep up the responses if you could. I appreciate it. |
:bump: for some more info from recent (end of 2012 to 2013) buyers, please help me out!
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#18/19/20/21 - I think these are all related. These are all noises that come from the rear of the car. You can apply many of these fixes mentioned, but the noise will go away, then come back. The car started noise free. But, would get the pop at slow speeds exiting driveway. This no longer happens. The crackling/popping noises now happen at speed. When it is rattling, the noise can be modulated with throttle. It also seems to vary with temperature as well. The drive to work in the morning is quite, but rattles like crazy after sitting in sun all day. I have also noticed that if you apply pressure to the metal framing in the trunk, you can get the metal to crackle. But, only once. And, I can never get the same area to crackle again. Very odd. I have not taken it to the dealer yet, but have discussed it with them. they are willing to perform the TSB when I bring it in for the 3K oil change. Not convinced this will fix it, but worth a shot. I do know I will eventually get this one figured out. Otherwise, I will not own this car for the long haul. I really like this car. I really like what this car is about, but the rattle is really annoying. |
has anyone bothered to anchor the styrofoam spare tire piece under the trunk cover or atleast dynamat it. i believe that maybe the pop noise some have been hearing.
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the whole trunk floor has this cheap styrofoam pieces and there is one piece under the passenger rear speaker behind the plastic trim panel.
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I bet the rattling can be annoying. Did you try all of the different fixes for each of those items that I linked to above? |
Edited to show the occurrences from responses provided so far :thumbsup:
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