Couple of fresh photos of FR-S
 

Courtesy of SpyderDan, the administrator of Spyderchat. He and Joel from Toysport got to visit Scion/Toyota Headquarters and get upclose and personal with the FR-S and a couple other new models.

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Enjoy!

How tall is the man in the photo?
 

I hope he is 5'2".

Nice red will Scion & Toyota version have the same colours?

That monstrosity on the back ground. :barf:

Nice red.

Did he find any new facts out... like price

even bone stock this car is BADASS.

what you trippin' bout??

I can't decide which of the iQ models there is worse... the white one in the background of the second and third picture is just godawful.

For those who think brand image doesn't matter, I want them to look closely at the top right of the third image... That is what I will forever associate to the brand now :(

Smexy

So you think Neons and ichibahn and RAZO shift knobs do the brand any more justice?

3 things this car needs to be ultra sexy!!!

1. 18x7.5/18x8.5 Enkei PF01
2. 1.25 inch drop
3. TRD duckbill spoiler

Everything looks fairly nice. As expected a nice drop and new wheels will give it more of a punch but im happy with it, beautiful red also.

Oh nice so THAT'S SpydaDan. Been a while since I've been on Spyderchat but recently I notice ppl there HATE on the FR-S?! Well the FR-S improves on things which the MR-S lacks (my perspective) so must be sibling rivalry.

I have nothing against the image Scion is pushing with the iQ. It's supposed to be a fun little car that deserves success and has no bearing on my decision to buy an FR-S.

Here's a new photo from the 86 chief engineer's facebook...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net...06061393_n.jpg

I have a feeling they're the same exact colors as Toyota. They're just named differently because of the different market.

Notice that Scion offers this car in 7 different colors and so does Toyota.

I'm pretty certain that there's going to be only one model for the FR-S. Why wouldn't they show off a FR-S with HIDs, digital HVAC, etc in any pictures?

Hopefully those options will come as optional accessories, but I doubt a digital HVAC will be a dealer option.

You're right buddy.

Not sure if that is Dan or Joel. I wouldn't say there are a lot of haters over on Spyderchat. Let just say that the members there are a lot more skeptical and not as caught up in the 86 magic like most people here. There are some of us who may consider the FR-S as a replacement for our MRSs but we will need to sample the wares before getting all gushy inside.

No, sorry. They are keeping a tight lid on the pricing information for now. That is only natural because I fear that when the actual prices are released it is going to be a real blow for some of the guys that want this car.

Here is the text that accompanied the photos:

I've been on the fence about this one all along (and I'm still there), but I have to admit I did like it a bit better in person.

I really wish Toyota wasn't branding it as a Scion. I don't like the corners they cut with things like the headlights (no LEDs), and the basic key ignition (no keyless with start button), and no navigation. I didn't care for this shade of red either. I hope the price comes down a few thousand to justify it, but I have my doubts...

The rear seats seemed considerably bigger than I imagined, on the other hand. They seem full sized, but there just isn't any leg room in front of them.
-Dan Bickell

Black scion in background, I think it is just rediculous enough to be freaken awesome!! Also check the ride height on the FR-S, looks like a good inch or two drop should be easy!!

You don't know that... I have a feeling they will offer options and accessories.

What some people really want is the push start and the HIDS. Dual Zone AC is not really needed but it looks so cool in the interior. And some people want alcantara under their butts.

I can see scion just adding in the push start and the HIDS, along with what they have already shown and calling it a day. That is a good compromise, and won't really add to the price or to the weight. Plus it will show a value for the money that scion is know for. And they still can stick with their monospec way of selling cars.

doesn't the TC have HID as well as Halogens?

i'm would think FR-S would have HID in the future.

I just looked on Scion's website and didn't see HID as a standard or accessory.

I'm beginning to think that the FR-S also won't have HID as an accessory. Just looking at the Scion accessories for the current lineup, they're usually accessories such as oil caps, wheels, carpet, etc.

A dealer install HID kit just doesn't seem normal. Either the car comes with HID from the factory or it doesn't, and from all the FR-S pictures we've seen, not a single one has HID.

Edit: I see a dealer install TRD brake kit as one of the options for the TC, so maybe there is a chance for a dealer HID install.

If true crushes the dreams of many a teenager on here.

I don't think that's SpydaDan. Unless he's changed in the last decade, I think he's the guy taking the picture.

The FR-S would be a great replacement for the MR-S. I bought one the first week they came out. I'm hopefully doing the same for the BRZ. Sorry Scion, but I've had a WRX in between and I like my Subarus.

-Hong

^You're right Dan's the one with the authentic TRD GT300 widebody MR-S and worked on fab'ing up a copy as his backup. He added me on FB a long time ago when I posted a fb thread in spyderchat just never realized it was SpydaDan. He's a stand up guy.

Dan's Sypda!!
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net..._7083211_n.jpg

Edit: I hope the FR-S becomes iconic and paves the way for more performance cars from Toyota... like a MkIV MR2 (FR-S with engine in the middle :drool:).

the only thing I'm worried about is if my knees hit the steering wheel. perriod. I'm obsessing over that because I WANT this car.

But none of the other scions have hids as an option in other markets. The frs does.

There is no way the FR-S the way we see it now will cost over $23k.
Some people are saying $25k, that is crazy talk.

There is nothing in the FR-S to justify a $25k price.
Like I said scion go with a low price and allow us to add options.

I think all the extra features will be shown soon, just not yet.

Err well I still think 21k

i believe around there as well

Good to see new pics of the FR-S. The IQ pretty much photobombed the first pic.

I wonder if there's a way to close the wheel well gap. I imagine if you lower it an inch, the front/back gap grows even bigger :( The ride height looks too high since the car is so short, but then dropping it makes the gaps (top vs sides) not "even". A bodykit tack on would need to keep the same "circle" since the side panels have that circular "band" around the wheels.

It is usually an illusion anyway due to fender well shape

It's got a tilting and telescoping wheel IIRC so you're good.

Just to avoid any confusion:

That's Joel Luz, the owner of Toysport, hamming it up in these pictures. My reflection can be seen in this one pic.

http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/o.../FRS_names.jpg

And, I'm just a humble moderator at SpyderChat, not the administrator, BTW.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand! As "on the fence" as I might be, here I am, checking out this forum, looking for what other details might be out there.

Another picture I posted over on SC is this close-up of the Scion headlight:

http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/o...kell/FRS_4.jpg

After seeing the Toyota and Subie versions, I am pretty bummed on how they went so cheap on the Scion version. It will be pricey to import the LED units from Japan. I'm guessing there will be aftermarket replacements available soon enough, but I'd rather have OEM, of course.

One of my other concerns has been the size of this car, and how well I might fit. I'm 6' tall with short legs and long torso (Joel is maybe 5' 7" or 5' 8", but certainly not 5' 2"), so I don't fit comfortably in some of the smaller cars like Miatas or S2000s. The MR2s have always been fine for me, though. This looks like it will work fine, at least with the seat rolled back. That seems to be what they have done to accomodate taller drivers: the seats roll almost all the way back to the rears (so there is literally zero room for the legs of any rear passengers). I was surprised to see how big the rear seats actually are. They probably could have made them much shorter to leave the possibility of some leg room (with a short person in the front seat, maybe).

I might buy one of these later this year, if the price is right, and if I can line up the parts to upgrade it to a proper Toyota GT without costing an arm and a leg.

fwiw : not terribly expensive to get headlamps if you do it correctly

Well, maybe if we can get somebody to carry them on the plane with them back from Japan! I'm just saying that by the time you pay full-pop for a set from Toyota Japan (at the exchange rates these days) and ship it, it will cost triple what I'm used to paying for discounted domestic parts.

And on the subject of pricing, while I totally agree that $21k would be ideal, I'm guessing the actual price will start around $23k. $21k is what the tC release series 7 is going for, and they need to set the FR-S far enough above that, but below what Subie is charging.

Yeah I would aim for the other side of the pond vs Japan for lights and freight/shipping broker and in bulk

Thanks for sharing your input and welcome to the forum, Dan. This car should be more height friendly than past Toyotas because there's a telescoping wheel. I'm with you on the spartanness of the FR-S (equivalent of the base-equipped JDM model with premium wheels). FR-S is a special case (the only Scion with a 3-letter name and has HIDs overseas) so I hope Scion treats it as such and offers those parts as dealer accessories. Toyota intends to release special/premium editions based on a recent press release and Subaru might have an STI version. Maybe for 2013. I hope the US market does not get excluded from all that.

Interesting how I see people on this forum already selling their RX-8, S2K, or Supra for this car while MR-S owners are paying close but skeptical attention.

Do you know for sure that the 86 headlights won't be optional on the FRS? I agree with you that the stock headlights are very cheap looking, but I'm still holding out hope that the frs with upgraded headlights will be cheaper than the BRZ.

Thanks for the pics.

Nobody knows anything for sure, but I'm fairly positive there are no current plans for such options. Given the Scion "release series" marketing strategy (that they are pushing harder than ever these days), my guess is that we might see the upgraded lights as part of an eventual release series FR-S (that would probably be priced around $25k). At least that will get us the parts available here in the US, though.

BTW, the car in these pics is still a prototype. I'm not sure if it is the same car from the debut press event. It seems like it might be, but it had a different stereo head unit.

What do you mean? If you lower it a inch it should have a inch less of wheel gap.

from the sides he means

In truth it looks lIke it may be the se exact car as what was at the premiere a few months back. Dan- did you get to sit in the car?? What was told to you if anything about interior accommodations? 6'5" and really hoping I fit. Hopefully we do get that telescoping steering wheel in the production car mentioned in a few of the BRZ reviews!!!