2014 wrx powered brz
 

Last week fast lane daily posted a you tube video , claiming that the 2014 brz will have an sti optioned version with a turbo wrx motor producing 280hp and 250lbft. LOL = must be mega $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Doubt it. I heard they can't do that until 2015 because of a contract with Toypta or some crap.

I've seen so many rumors from people saying that it will have this or will have that. Bottom line is no one in the media knows, so until Subaru confirms it, I don't believe it.

"STI is working on finalizing creation of the special version of BRZ, which would be unveiled in "some time" (secret). Turbocharger is NOT in the concept of this greatly balanced FR sports car, so we would concentrate our developments on suspension, handling, performance improvements and sports styling. The turbocharged version of BRZ will remain only in GT300 Championship."

-Hiroyuki Karamatsu, President of Subaru Tecnica International Inc. (STI)

All it needs is 20/20 in hindsight...

Even if an STi version is introduced, there's no guarantee that Subaru will give it to they US market immediately.

If brz becomes a separate from toyota, it would be easier and cheaper for subaru to build brz' with wrx motor as they do in all other models

I highly doubt they'd have the legal right to do that. If I were to ever leave my employer, I'd still be under a non-disclosure agreement to not discuss internal ideas long after I've left my former employer. Seeing as Toyota is the one funding it, they likely own intellectual property in the 86/BRZ project.

The subaru dealers at the sydney motor show in oct 2012 promised that sti accessories would be available here soon and they were proudly showing them on a brz.
Well , now mar 2013 and still not here.

STI may not turbo charge a production car, but they may make have a dealer installed option or something of that sort?

as an aside, I have a hunch that the new 2015 or whatever WRX motor will fit in this car without too much massaging (aside from some pipe rerouting)

time will tell

the brz's engine was redesigned from the old wrx engine to fit in the car so I dont know where this new engine/old one is coming from?

FA20 has very little in common with the EJ255. It's pretty much an all new motor. I'm not sure how much the FA20 and the FA20DIT will have in common. If I were to guess, I'd say they would be very different. Pistons, rods, valves, cams, fuel system...all different at minimum.

i doubt there will be a non warranty voiding option from the factory because of how vulnerable the turbo would be due to its positioning. that being said, i would welcome it.

um all WRX/STis have their turbos there..

WRX/STI still uses EJ, new Impreza and BRZ use FA, but FA in BRZ has Toyota D4S.

Man If I had a dollar for every time someone claimed a turbo was coming to the BRZ/86/FR-S...


But here you have it, the man in charge of STI says the turbo will only be used on the GT300 car.

read my signature, The Twins were never meant to be world beaters, they were meant to be well-balanced, affordable, and fun

Took the words right outta my mouth. Seems like every few weeks the rumors get recycled lol.



This thread made with 100% post consumer recycled bs.

Or ever. I don't see a market here for it unless it has a big power bump. It will most likely be Japan only, more like the random STi special editions they have released there IMO.

Put about fifteen grand in it or more and if you have to, overnight parts from Japan.

Not only that but Subaru has zero history of offering that kind of thing via DIO.

if i had a dollar for every FnF quote... :bellyroll::bellyroll::bellyroll:

lmao love FnF quotes

I can't tell you how irritating these rumors are. But I'll explain it again anyway, the FA20 is using proprietary Toyota tech(Toyota's D4S) that was shared with Subaru specifically for this car. Toyota made a risk sharing this tech to meet emissions/power requirements and they get quite a bit of influence over how the car is designed and sold. There is only one engine slated for the Twins and it is N/A. While they might tweak the design or make incremental updates, there is still going to be only one engine in it and it's going to be N/A.

The new turbo engines for the Legacy GT and eventually the Impreza WRX/STI aren't getting this tech(Toyota D4S). Maybe ask yourselves why that is.

IMO a "well balanced" sports car includes having some grunt in a straight line. 6 second 0-60 jaunts and high 14 second quarter mile times are pretty slow when the car is compared to it's performance peers.

If Subaru doesn't offer a 280-300 hp version with 1-1.5 years then I'll be looking to the aftermarket for some extra "oomphh".

Just be prepared to be disappointed.

I honestly thing you don't have to do much. We saw what the car is capable of if it had 300hp.

the typical whp of a s2000 is about 201whp. (240hp) so if you can get this brz to those numbers which isn't hard, we are seeling people reach them without forced induction, then you have a pretty decent car with looks and performance.

The FA20 turbo motor has been out for a while - since 2010 in Japan. It utilizes a low, front mount turbocharger with an oil scavenge system for the turbocharger. It's not really new in any way, other than the fact that this year, it will be on the all-new Forester XT model available in America. Making that the debut for the turbo FA20 *in North America*.

This particular news of the FA20 turbo being used in a new car has been used by various media as the starting point for the rumor of a turbocharged BRZ/FR-S. However, all those stories have no other basis, and ignore many technical details, such as how the hell they'd shoehorn the catalytic converters in there.

See, Toyota/Subaru gave the Twins a low center of gravity by mounting the engine as low as possible. One of the trade-offs of this was that they route the exhaust through the sub-frame at the front. Simply put, this limits how much space they have for a catalytic converter post turbo. And they won't put one in pre-turbo, there's not enough exhaust manifold space. The turbocharger would be being placed where the current catalytic converter is in the OEM exhaust manifold.

It's not impossible, it can be done. But it would require a significant investment. And there's not much incentive right now when Subaru is selling every BRZ it can currently make, and Toyota much the same. Neither is in much mood to consider it until sales significantly drop off. Look how long it took for a turbo Miata/MX5 to appear.

And look at how quickly the turbo miata was pulled off the market. And the NC miata making as much power as the mazdaspeed miata. I've had a chance to play with those tiny cars: the turbocharger is an 18lb/min unit and even with the wastegate hose unplugged, it will not make more than 1psi more boost.

The dip in the FR-S/BRZ is still a mystery right? Nobody -really- knows why it's there and how to get rid of it (short of FI). There seems to be quite a bit of headroom in this motors. What if the STi version isn't FI but has a longer RPM range with more power up top, while sacrificing torque under 4k. Or they can refine their variable valve timing and lift system and have really broad torque that carries to beyond 7400RPM.

When the FR-S/BRZ was first released, I posited that the Legacy low mount turbo setup will fit under. I STILL think that it will:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...793#post225793

- budi

Torque dip is somewhat acoustic, a little bit of ECU and maybe the drop off of the port injection. Nameless and P&L have both built headers that take away most to all of the dip on pump gas and E85 respectively. both make ~190whp as well although nameless does it without E85.

Not with that exhaust manifold design, it'll go too low and hit the current undertray. Japan office already tried a test fit. Legacy (and now the current Forester) engine is much higher in the engine bay, mainly because of the AWD transmission of course. There isn't as much space in front of the engine of the twins compared to the forester/legacy either, that's why our setup is offset.

Fuck the turbo and fuck these internet window shopping assholes and their retarded "more power" comments. :mad0260: Want a turbo? Buy a WRX, period.



Lol that mad smiley is funny.

somewhere on the forum an FR-S owner was approached at the pump by one of these guys.

the convo went something like so.

"Nice car, but you should've got the subaru version."

FR-S owner: Why? I liked the FR-S's styling better

"But the Subaru version is AWD and Turbo."

FR-S owner: No it isn't, they're the same car underneath the body

"No they aren't. I know. My friend helped develop it."


I found this incredibly hilarious. My response to the guy would be. "What do you think BRZ stands for?"

but several good points have been made.

why worry about it and just buy a WRX, they cost just about the same but you get more space, AWD, and Turbo so why get all huffed up about the BRZ?

That's funny the guy who didn't know anything about the car retorts with "my friend helped developed it" That would be like me saying my buddy was Karl Benz, lol.

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That the newer WRX will feature the BRZ/FRS FA engine so I dont know where this "2014 'wrx powered' brz" is coming from.

Here is a device to gauge the validity of the turbo claims.

http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/a...-o-meter-1.gif
http://www.mcadamreport.org/BULLSHIT-O-METER.gif

Yeah after he invented the flat 4 in the late 1800's with Chrysler he became my poker buddy haha Some people are too much but I like to help them with their facts from what little bit I know instead of being an ass to them. I really want the FR-S/BRZ crowd to be know for being the more mature behaving crowd of import owners. I come from muscle cars and Italian cars and after years of hearing how much better a civic is than my Ferrari 308 or 83 Camaro Berlinetta I had a bad taste in my mouth for the import crowd. The FR-S/BRZ group has really shown me the knowledge and maturity that is in the import crowd.

you had a 308?

Yeah I actually took a guy on the forum to look at another one today because my old one was a money pit. In all reality if you are patient you can find a running (not perfect just running) 308 for $10k - $15k I only paid $12k for mine and it was not working all that good but I got it going and was able to make a tiny profit off it.

Edit: No i didn't buy the one today it has rusted out doors holes in the front bumper and was missing parts and too top it all off they said open to offers but wanted $26k I didn't want to insult him with a low ball offer because he obviously loved the car and thought it was worth more than it really is.

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Was it the GTS in red with tan seats?