New Brz or CPO Audi TTS?
 

I was pretty much set on the BRZ but saw a 2011 CPO Audi TTS with 18k miles for 40.8k. Never really looked in to the TTS but I've always been a fan of Audi's. I feel like the TTS might be a better DD over the BRZ.

What do you guys think?

What do you want, AWD or RWD? German or Japanese? ~$30K OTD or $41K + taxes?

The cabin on the Audi will likely be plushier, but I can't speak as to the layout which is actually as or more important than material.

Since it's CPO I won't say anything about traditional German car problems. Just that you should get rid of it before the CPO warranty is over. And to check that price; seems awful high.

Honestly saying, you're asking in the wrong forum.
I would expect some to be partially biased torward the BRZ

I think for the bang for your buck, BRZ all the way. Also the cargo space in the BRZ is respectable. I was able to fit 2 golf bags, and 2 foldable push carts.

and you will get more looks on the BRZ :P

I've never driven a TT, so take this with many grains of salt, but I really don't get why that car would even be on a short-list at that price when you could get a really nice Cayman or a supremely set-up 135i (if you need the 4 seats) for the money. Or a 996 (everyone hates on the 996 but its still a 911 and would make a solid daily).

I'm not really a fan of AWD though, so v0v. I guess it depends on what kind of daily driving you do as well-- I'm sure the Audi would be a nicer place to sit if you haven't got any fun roads around.

Personally if I had that kind of money to spend I'd be really, really tempted to pick up a lowish mileage 135i. Replace the suspension, add a nice exhaust, possibly chip it and add bigger wheels + tires. They're monstrously quick cars when set up properly, a lot of fun to drive, and incredibly practical as a dd... and certainly a ton of car for the money.

I've owned an A4 Quattro 2.8...loved that car, but the maintenance (like all German cars) is very expensive. I haven't driven a TT, but I'm sure it's a lot of fun to drive and would probably be "more comfortable". My BRZ is a pure, raw driving experience. And I freakin' love that about it. You should drive them both and consider what you want out of your DD.

This so much. If you're looking for a really fun car and practicality isn't high on your list, there are a bunch of better options in the 40k price range.

Your overal cost of ownership with the TT is super expensive.

If you have the money go for the audi.

I'd go for the Yaris myself...wait, what?

Never was a fan of the TT style-wise. Go with the BRZ and save yourself some money for mods.

Just keep in mind that used cars will always have OTHER people's sweaty ass print on it. By buying a used car you are essentially sitting on other people's body by-products and/or body fluid.

How did you fit all that in your BRZ???

http://www.gonemovies.com/www/Drama/...rakeRipper.jpg

...Yes, Jack, I see...

The Audi is faux-wheel drive. If its a DSG, prepare to shell an additional $450 on top of the haldex and rear diff changes every 40k. Also, haldex for the most part blows... It's a lame awd setup. You're 99.9% fwd, unless you lose any kind of traction. Also, the 2.0tfsi they use in it (not the tsi) is the same old problematic motor in the early gti's. while they may have fixed the pcv system, the hpfp and cam follower design still is awful.

For that price, get a used 911. ;)

I would do what you want, and depends on the stage of life you are in personally.

If you don't see your self getting a new car within 3 years, than I would just get the TT-S. If your budget fits.

Yes European cars are "more" expensive to maintain, but everyone in this thread is hating.

I'm sure the TT-S is fun, it's also more prestige and luxurious.

I don't see how this is a justification in anyway shape or form to NOT buying a used car.

Just get the BRZ, you'll have equal if not more fun than if you bought the audi, and you can spend the remaining $10k on great modifications you'd otherwise not be able to do.

As a fan of roadsters and a New Englander, if it has quattro I would without a doubt go for the TT if it's in my price range. I love the styling of the current gen TT! My next car is going to be either this or a Z4 (Maybe a 370Z or 2##Z).

Both cars will definitely be fun, don't let that be the defining factor! I have driven the new TT and it is an awesome car and I wish I could afford it. You get precise handling, very comfy seats, good throttle response, and lots of power, (among other things).

Sure, we can all be armchair judges and tell you to get a used Cayman or 911 or whatever but how often will be able to find one with low miles, correct pricing, well kept, etc. such as the Audi TTS? You have the TTS in your grasp.

You have two great cars to choose from. If it's in your price range, I'd go with the TTS.

If I had 40+ to spend I'd be looking at a Boss 302 or a used Cayman, not a TT. (If we're restricting it to <5 year old cars).

I'd probably still buy an FRS though.

Literally all the time? There are so many Caymans and 911s available. You might have to spend some time looking, but it shouldn't be difficult to find a nice one for a reasonable price. I imagine there will be even more Caymans on the market shortly now that everyone's going to want a next-gen one.

I'm sure there are plenty near where you are :w00t:

Not many in Colorado actually. If you're willing to explore the west coast though California is actually made of used Porsches :3

I'd be far more interested in a S5 rather than the TTS myself. However, between those two, I'd save the $20k and get the BRZ. Especially if it's to be a DD.

BRZ
- More seats
- Better mileage
- Far cheaper to insure
- More fun to drive
- Tail happy fun

Audi
- More power
- More german
- More plush
- Year round drivability and snow time fun!

Personally, for $40k I would buy a 2010 S4, not a TTS. The S-Tronic (DSG) gearbox is not as fun as a traditional manual; that really kills it for me. The TT is a lot of fun though; I drove a 2012 2.0T and a 2007 3.2 6spd and they feel great to drive, except for that dual clutch auto. The chassis is mostly aluminum except for the rear trunk area which is steel to balance out the weight of the engine. It's just a little bit over 3,000lbs with AWD, which is impressive. It is a haldex-based AWD system, which isn't the ideal system.

My problem with Audi is that they try to fit 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag. And the TT is the worst of them. On my B5 S4 I had to take the entire front end of the car off to change the water pump, it took 12 hours. And they're always a weird little pump or relay that's failing on them somewhere.

For $40k there are plenty of barely used M3s that can be had.

This...or buy a used S5 with higher mileage.

Here was my S5. Sold it because of MPG.

http://i.imgur.com/2Kix5vg.jpg?1

Audi TTS HANDS DOWN. ..if money isn't an issue.
APR's Aftermarket alone solidifies that choice.

I really don't like the TT. I don't even know why, I'm usually all over German cars.

Didn't have that problem so much in the S4. I averaged 23mpg in a 6MT with mostly highway driving :) The S5 does look and sound better though. I'd love to pick up a used 2013 S5 3.0T 6MT someday...

Even better would be a 2013 RS5 with that killer V8. That is one car I would love to have, along with a Cayman R for track duty.

Owned an Audi A4 for 10 years. Then I owned a Cadillac CTS with the 3.2L Catera motor in it. Those will be the last German engineered cars that I own due to the expense of maintenance and difficulty of working on them.

For the record the CTS chassis is great but the 3.2L motor would be best used as a boat anchor. Also I have never seen a used Audi or VW that did not have an almost perpetual CEL displayed on the dash.

My advice would be to proceed with caution as far as the TTS goes. In addition to the engine issues stated above the front suspension is also rather fragile and you can easily drop a couple thousand replacing parts there once the car gets up in the 60K mile range.

For 40K I would buy a brand new Cadillac ATS with the 4 cylinder turbo and AWD. They are not sports cars but then neither is the TTS.

Good luck with your purchase no matter what you decide.

I think the longest I've had the CEL off on my GTI was about 500 miles. I love the car anyway because it's extremely practical and pretty quick in its own right on decent tires, but it's not a cheap car to keep on the road :P

Not that its "unreliable" or whatever-- its never stranded me-- but having to pay a good ~$200/yr extra to make the CEL go out so it can take its emissions test is annoying.

Thanks for the input guys

The CPO TTS was sold last week. Really wanted to atleast test drive it.

Last night I drove by a Toyota dealership with a Whiteout FRS parked in front of the lot. Damn I forgot how great the twins look in person. Guess I'm back on the hunt for a WRB BRZ.

The TT-S is still just a fancy Golf, that's a lot of money to pay for a chassis that also have $15K new cars on it. Golf R is the same car with 4-doors and more practicality.

Yeah I really don't get the Audi thing. Sure, an R8 could be fun (although my sister-- who really loves driving-- drove an R8 a while back and said it was very fast but not very engaging to drive on public roads) but just generally speaking they don't seem like driver's cars...

Audis are pretty to look at, but I don't think I'd buy one. v0v

I didn't "get" it either, until I drove a few. And then I started selling them. And then I leased one. Maybe I drank a little of the kool-aid when I worked for Audi, but damn they are nice cars. The ergonomics and build quality are so much better than all the Asian and domestic cars out there, but you definitely pay for it. Not just with the initial cost of the car, but with the cost of upkeep. If I could afford a BRZ and a 2010-2011 A4 for a daily, I'd absolutely do it.

My Vw Spotwagen has zero issues. As long as you do proper maintenance, and on the diesels add a lubricant to the fuel, you will have no hpfp issues at all. I was lucky enough to find a manual trans car and we love every minute of it. I average 45 mpg hand calculated and the car only has 20k miles so far. To me the only thing lacking on this car is awd. A few people I know with more miles on their Sportwagens are now into the low 50 mpg range. I have had 3 Vw's so far and they have all been problem free. Maybe I am just lucky. If I could afford an R8 V10, it would be in my garage. Nothing like the sound of a V10 at full song.

Looking at the way I worded that post, I think I did it wrong. I didn't mean that sure an R8 could be fun but they're not driver's cars, I meant that an R8 could be fun (as Audi's only driver's car) but that the REST didn't really seem like driver's cars. Sorry for the confusion.

One of the reasons I got a BRZ was to have fun at lower speeds-- there's nothing wrong with a well-balanced car, but if they're well-balanced and absurdly grippy like the R8 you don't get to explore the limits of the car on public roads.

The BRZ's biggest contender when I was considering what to buy was actually a used 135i. One of the reasons I went for the BRZ instead was because of how fast a properly set-up 135 is-- it's just a little nuts. The problem is that you start having "fun" when you hit about double the speed limit on back roads-- it's fun to do but I wouldn't want to make a habit of it. I'm hoping my BRZ will have a much more useable performance envelope :P

Don't get me wrong, I think the R8 is an awesome car and I'd have one as a secondary vehicle in a second if I had the cash. As for the other Audis, they are extremely nice to look at but BMWs aren't heinous either and I'd definitely have one of them over their Audi-equivalent-- they just drive so nicely out of the box.

Even if the audi is CPO there is a certain piece of mind knowing everything that has ever happened in your car. I'd go with the new car.