TyperRspec789's Full Blown Stage 1 Base Turbo & e85 Progress and Testing
 

Hello Guys & Gals, I know my car has two threads by Pure Automotive already posted in the FI forum, but I want to make a more organized thread on the progress on my car. Just trying to filter out all the questions, leaving this thread for all the answers summarized through videos and pictures. I will be updating and posting all the testing of the Full Blown kit that I do from time to time. I feel that a forum needs this unbiased 3rd party view of these products. For the [long] list of mods, please refer to my signature.

Special thanks to @FullBlown and @Pure Automotive

Videos
 

Boost Gauge Test
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox2Dz9ujCWQ"]Full Blown Motorsports Stage 1 Turbo Scion FRS Boost Gauge Test - YouTube[/ame]


Base Map Dyno Testing
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OURKySS-TtA"]TyperRspec789's Full Blown Motorsports Stage 1 Turbo Scion FRS - YouTube[/ame]


Turbo Lag, 60-100mph and 60-120mph Testing
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1zROeHNzjg"]Scion FRS Full Blown Stage 1 Base Turbo Testing- Lag, 60-100mph, 60-120mph - YouTube[/ame]


60ft Time- Notes: Very subpar, but with the cold tires and cold ground and "skinny" 245 Hankook Ventus tires, it's decent. With a better setup that can actually hold traction, the launches would be much much better.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91...psd6133314.jpg


0-50mph- Notes: The car still maintains its 7400rpm redline with the base map tune making so that you still have to shift into 3rd gear for 60mph. I would like to see if LJ could raise the 2nd gear redline to 7800rpm so that I could get this car under 5 seconds.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91...psd35586ee.jpg


0-57mph- Notes: This is as close of a 0-60mph time I can get for the forum. Again, this is with a 2.5 sec 60ft with cold summer tires. Once the weather warms up and I get fatter/more aggressive tires in combination of a raised 2nd gear rpm limit, this car should do <4.7sec 0-60mph.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91...ps52de96c6.jpg


Gas Mileage- Notes: This tank was done with mostly "normal" driving. "Normal" driving can be summarized and defined as 10mph above speed limit in both highway and city. This is actually the same tank that was used for the 0-57/60-100/60-120mph testing. This is a calculated 25.96mpg.

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3/8/2013 Update:
- RPF1 staggered setup w/ BFGoodrich KDWs- 255 on 17x9 rear, 235 on 17x8 front
- 2.75" Overpipe-back exhaust- J2 Engineering test frontpipe mated to Greddy Evo3
- Front grille removal w/ Perrin license plate relocator
- Custom intake air inlet
- GT86 Fog bezels

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http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1359784363

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Wow that thing pulls hard. Your 60-120 looks quicker than my 0-60......

that 60-120 pull was awesome, sounds really good, i need to hurry up and turbo mine! :)

Your real close to the shop! Let me know, I can save you shipping charges and install if you're interested!

Wait till the e85 gets in there guys.

Pumped!!

Russ needs to roll up on some Caymans...Carreras...see what happens.

Car is tearing it up. Sounds good, lag is very minimal from what I can see. What a riot it must be!

Updated with 60ft, 0-50mph, and 0-57mph times. This is using a GTech Pro.

How come you aren't tuned out to 8000rpm or a little above like the other kits?

Is it your fuel or something that is stopping you or just personal preference?

Thanks,

@FullBlown correct me if I'm wrong here, but from what I saw on the dyno, the car doesn't really make any more power at redline, it actually falls off a bit, and I don't believe in revving a car past where it stops making power.

It's just the way the base map is. The base map provided by Full Blown is not a "live" tune like the Visconti turbo cars. Visconti was physically in their cars on the dyno. LJ graciously sends a base tune for his kit. At this point, I'm his beta tester for the alterations on the base map- I have requested a 7800rpm tune and have the e85 tune on its way.

And to add, I don't feel safe running the car to 8000rpm and above. Although I respect Visconti and his work (I personally had him dyno tune my stage 1 and e85 NA tunes), I just think something is being overlooked. Yeah, the heads are very much up to par to handle the extra rpms, but I kinda think the rods and piston wrist pins are taking a beating. Especially when running boost. That's just my opinion though.

Yes, the power starts to flatten out at 7000-7200 and then tapers at 7500 depending on what type of fuel and how much timing is added. It is not wise to rev a motor past its powerband. We always set the rev limiter higher just to sample it on the dyno and then go back and set our limits.

We are working on some cams to test and hopefully make this thing breath past 7500 effortlessly.

Thanks for the answers

Are you guys just regrinding the stock cams or are you guys gonna make your own new cams

regrind till we find the right combo.

dig it.

A larger bore x stroke ratio would help achieve this. There are only a handful of squared motors that run to 8K rpms. The piston speeds get too fast too quick.

In fact, the only 3 engines that I'm aware of that run to 8K with a bore x stroke that isn't over squared (over 1:1 ratio) are:
- B18C (Honda - GSR) 81mm bore - 87mm stroke
- K20 (Honda - RSX/Civic Si) 86mm bore - 86mm stroke
- 2ZZ-GE (Toyota - Celica GTS/Lotus Elise/Exige) 82mm bore - 85 mm stroke

They all have very sophisticated head work with special camshaft/valve lift designs.

:drool: Be my valentine?

Updated with gas mileage data.

3/8/2013 Update:
- RPF1 staggered setup w/ BFGoodrich KDWs- 255 on 17x9 rear, 235 on 17x8 front
- 2.75" Overpipe-back exhaust- J2 Engineering test frontpipe mated to Greddy Evo3
- Front grille removal w/ Perrin license plate relocator
- Custom intake air inlet
- GT86 Fog bezels

And yes... My car looks like a Hitler FRS... Why? Because... Fuctional.

Car looks great man! I will be having some work done at Fullblown on Tuesday. You better convince me NOT to spend my tax money on a turbo kit...

It's the best kit on the market.. Hopefully, that helps!

Ugh, I already knew that, so no, it didnt help;) Glad to see your enjoying it and I look forward to more long term reviews. Do you daily drive this car? Im looking overall for long term. It will be drivin all year round, and in Minnesota, that means 90 degrees and humid in the summer, below zero digits during the winter peaks, and everyting in between. I don't have any doubt that they wouldn't produce a quality kit that wouldn't hold up.

I believe I have around 1300 miles since being turbo'd. The only reason why I haven't driven more is because I've been prepping the car to compete at a drag racing competition in MD. I did a lot of trading/selling/buying to accommodate the extra power. But honestly, it's a suitable daily driver. The only altering factor is your clutch selection. I hated my ACT 6 puck at first, but I got used to it.

Do you have another car? I mostly drive my WRX to keep the miles down on my FRS (the car is too damn enjoyable to drive...)

I do not. I use to have a Civic for a daily driver when I had my S2k, but part of my excuse to by a new car was to not have two cars anymore and go down to one, so the FRS will remain my daily. I have considered the clutch thing. LJ told me we would just keep the boost down to around 250-260 whp to make the stock clutch last as long as possible. But yet, I wouldn't want a clutch that would be annoying to drive daily. Excited to see what kind of times you can pull off at the track! Good luck!

it does look like hitler... lol, but I really like that air intake concept, cause I was thinking with the intercooler there air doesnt flow up towards the filter like originally designed.

I was wondering if I could get a custom intake pipe thats either longer or shorter, so it would be offset left or right so if I did an intake duct it wouldnt look like hitler,
Kinda like this
http://www.ppi-mines.com/images/Z33_Fr_SPOILER_600.jpg
what do you think?

Offset to the passenger side would be easy to do, the included intake pipe puts the filter right behind that inlet, all it would take is some extra pipe to move it over a bit.

Just a little teaser bump for the new setup... Read the video comments on youtube for some small details. Btw, I'd sorry for the little bit of language at the end. I was a tad surprised on the acceleration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehzKI...ature=youtu.be

Your 0-60 times should be way faster than 4.7 when you get it all dialed in. You have got way better power to weight than:

2006 BMW Z4 M Coupe 0-60 mph 4.7 Quarter mile 13.2
2006 BMW Z4 M Roadster 0-60 mph 4.7 Quarter mile 13.2

Those guys weigh in at ~3100 lbs and have 270-280 whp.

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/imag...dyno_s54m3.jpg

I'll give you a really good answer on the 0-60mph this weekend... And a 1/4 mile number. Doing traction-dependent testing in the winter is kindof a dumbass idea, so maybe my numbers will change when the ground starts warming up. My new tire setups (not going to tell you about something that came in yesterday...) are more appropriate than the 245 Hankook ventus tires I was using. Stay tuned...

Oh dude I know for a fact your 0-60 times will be better. The first thing we learn at the track is that tires (and temperature/condition of pavement) make a world of difference. I am guessing you will be in the 4.0 - 4.4 range. :drool:

like that the air vent does have fuction, but i think it can be redone better, Maybe paint match it?

anway good luck with the drag racing competition

What I would do is have a cutout that re-attaches (like the tow hook cover). On the streets it would be closed up and almost undetectable. Then before a track day I would pop it out.

Now that I think about it. It would be cool to have a switch in the cabin to "flip" the cover "inwards" exposing the vent. =) maybe a future project.

I really want to see this kit in action. I need to connect soon (will be heading up to Pure Auto for a brake install).

I did a quick stopwatch on your 60-120mph time and it was 8.6-8.8sec.
For comparison purposes:
S2000 - 17.7s
e46 M3 - 13.0s
Ferrari F430 - 9.1s
Bugatti Veyron 4.95s

I'd love to see a video of your quarter mile run too. It's going to be hard without a drag radial to get the turbo spooling and get traction. 127mph is a beast trap speed though.

I was amazed at the difference that tires made on my DD when I swapped out the OEM rubber for PSS. I guess you could say that it was the first thing I learned as well.

@OP - do you ever get rainwater or debris in the vent up front?

Also - quick question that came to mind when I was sitting on the beltway. Have you been caught up in any bad traffic with the turbo on? Just wondering if the car get's hot without airflow to cool.

I put in a makeshift cover whenever I NEED to drive in the rain. Otherwise, I have the WRX for any type of inclement weather. I also experimented with a simple towel and drove 30 miles when it was raining- there was a siginificant amount of rain caught.

I haven't had any cooling issues with the car. The peak temps during the testing day at the track were actually very acceptable. Again, we had probably 15-30min between each run. The car is also running Motul oil and e85.. The car would probably be a bit warmer with cheaper oil and 93octane.