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its_the_biz 01-29-2013 09:52 PM

Potential bad gear box?
 
when i first purchased the car, the gears would shift right into spot like a hot knife on butter. however, now occasionally the gears would act up and require a little bit of effort to pop into position. and it happens randomly. and other times it would be perfectly smooth. anyone else getting this problem?

Mr.Jay 01-29-2013 09:55 PM

Mostly 1st to 2nd?

Weather affects it as well and I highly doubt its a bad tranny tho we did have one car were the dealer forgot to fill the tranny fluid.

Easy fix tho get some Motul in that gear box and you will be fine.

so26 01-29-2013 09:59 PM

Are you new to driving a MT car? Does this occur during upshifts, downshifts or both?

its_the_biz 01-29-2013 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Jay (Post 698450)
Mostly 1st to 2nd?

Weather affects it as well and I highly doubt its a bad tranny tho we did have one car were the dealer forgot to fill the tranny fluid.

Easy fix tho get some Motul in that gear box and you will be fine.

yes mostly 1st and 2nd. i'll swap out the fluids and give it a try. :thanks:

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Originally Posted by so26 (Post 698472)
Are you new to driving a MT car? Does this occur during upshifts, downshifts or both?

i took a few year break from driving MT. but i dont feel that is a factor. it happens both up and down shifts.

Snake 01-30-2013 04:46 AM

Mine started crunching into second gear after about 300kms. Is worse when it is cold gets a bit better when it is warm.

DriftEightSix 01-30-2013 05:51 AM

I had crunching right up till i had my serviced today :D

It back to being hot knife into butter :D.

I will ask tomorrow what they did to it to make it soo much better!

boredom.is.me 01-30-2013 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DriftEightSix (Post 699080)
I had crunching right up till i had my serviced today :D

It back to being hot knife into butter :D.

I will ask tomorrow what they did to it to make it soo much better!

What mileage are you at?

chutrain 01-30-2013 11:21 AM

Mine has been a little tough to get into second when it's cold. Only noticed recently with about 4500 miles. Going to swap out the fluids. Was going to do it when I had around 1k miles, but never got around to it.

Yruyur 01-30-2013 11:32 AM

Had my transmission replaced for the shifting getting harder then it started grinding going into 4th every time.

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reeves 01-30-2013 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by its_the_biz (Post 698446)
..now occasionally the gears would act up and require a little bit of effort to pop into position. and it happens randomly. and other times it would be perfectly smooth. anyone else getting this problem?

I got the same problem.. 2nd gear randomly grinds. Other times is perfectly smooth.. Switched to Pentosin MTF-2 tranny fluid for 4K miles now, but I still get the random grinds. Pentosin did make shifts feel alot better/easier though, especially when it's cold. Before Pentosin, it was all but impossible for me to shift into 2nd when cold.

I am starting to notice after a long drive (30 minutes or more) the grinds rarely, if ever, occur anymore.. maybe it goes away after the tranny gets really hot?

A5D5TRYR 01-30-2013 05:54 PM

I put Motul Gear 300 in mine and although it is better it still hasn't fixed 2nd gear when the car is cold and it's below freezing. Above freezing the Motul has definitely made everything much smoother though. I will be trying Pentosin next. Unfortunately it is very expensive. There's only so many times I want to spend $100 bucks to see if some other fluid will make things better. But I will report back on the difference between the Motul and Pentosin for me when I get around to changing it.

Mr.Jay 01-30-2013 06:06 PM

Also forgot to mention that if its really bad in the cold double clutching helps a lot

DriftEightSix 01-30-2013 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by boredom.is.me (Post 699227)
What mileage are you at?

12730 kms. Fixed at around 2000kms and returned less then 1000kms later. if it happens again i am going to bitch my ass off.

DriftEightSix 01-30-2013 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Jay (Post 700361)
Also forgot to mention that if its really bad in the cold double clutching helps a lot

It was the only way to change gears!! evens whilst rev matching it wasn't 100% smooth.

usptwins 01-30-2013 09:43 PM

Any RPM's?? Or at high RPM's?

uncivilised 01-30-2013 09:52 PM

Could it just be a characteristic of the gearbox? My altezza j160 does the same thing but its not bad for me.

I'm running redline mt90.

GoSharks 01-30-2013 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by reeves (Post 699444)
I got the same problem.. 2nd gear randomly grinds. Other times is perfectly smooth.. Switched to Pentosin MTF-2 tranny fluid for 4K miles now, but I still get the random grinds. Pentosin did make shifts feel alot better/easier though, especially when it's cold. Before Pentosin, it was all but impossible for me to shift into 2nd when cold.

I am starting to notice after a long drive (30 minutes or more) the grinds rarely, if ever, occur anymore.. maybe it goes away after the tranny gets really hot?

Same experience for me. The transmission is my biggest problem with my BRZ, borders on unacceptable sometimes. I am very nervous shifting from 1st to 2nd in the morning as even with Pentosin it may grind. But better overall with Pentosin.

shu5892001 01-30-2013 11:54 PM

My 2nd gear almost grinds every time when it was -15.

DriftEightSix 01-31-2013 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by usptwins (Post 700913)
Any RPM's?? Or at high RPM's?

All rpms.

Quote:

Originally Posted by uncivilised (Post 700948)
Could it just be a characteristic of the gearbox? My altezza j160 does the same thing but its not bad for me.

I'm running redline mt90.

Hmm interesting.

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Originally Posted by GoSharks (Post 701143)
Same experience for me. The transmission is my biggest problem with my BRZ, borders on unacceptable sometimes. I am very nervous shifting from 1st to 2nd in the morning as even with Pentosin it may grind. But better overall with Pentosin.

Yup I know that feeling... this morning it was fine with my car; which im loving!!!

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Originally Posted by shu5892001 (Post 701213)
My 2nd gear almost grinds every time when it was -15.

@nd box!?1?! they replaced it and it still happens :S

Mr.Jay 01-31-2013 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DriftEightSix (Post 700849)
It was the only way to change gears!! evens whilst rev matching it wasn't 100% smooth.

well damn. I have no clue now. My tranny is great tho i think I'm going to make the switch on fluids before next winter comes.

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Originally Posted by DriftEightSix (Post 701317)

@nd box!?1?! they replaced it and it still happens :S

His 2nd gear not 2nd transmission.

Hope you find the source of your issue. Please report back!

usptwins 01-31-2013 04:59 PM

shit... idk man. bad synchro's??

Metabrz 01-31-2013 06:03 PM

I've installed a Cusco transmission collar mount and this has helped with 1st>2nd, 2nd>1st and 2nd>3rd shifting.

Shifting is faster, more precise and smoother. Shifting from 2nd to 1st at very low speeds is now a possibility whereas before I was not comfortable even trying it.

Downside is there is a little more transmission whine but its not annoying.

DriftEightSix 01-31-2013 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by usptwins (Post 702759)
shit... idk man. bad synchro's??

Nope cause it was fixed without having any parts replaced... still waiting to hear from the mech about what work he had done to the car... Its killing me not know what was done.

its_the_biz 02-23-2013 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DriftEightSix (Post 702984)
Nope cause it was fixed without having any parts replaced... still waiting to hear from the mech about what work he had done to the car... Its killing me not know what was done.

has your issues been fixed yet? if so, what has been done? im still getting the shitty shifting even 1000 miles later, today. :mad0260:

took the car in for the 1 month inspection and asked about it. they said it was normal and thats how the car was made. so im curious.

Allch Chcar 02-23-2013 03:15 PM

It sounds like the wrong weight of gear oil for the temperature. If it's notchy when cold but fine after it warms up, the first number needs to be upgraded eg. XXw-XX. I seem to recall that the colder it is the heavier weight oil you need. Any gear oil experts on here?

XPR Small Block 02-23-2013 04:07 PM

i think its the opposite with the oil same thing with motor oil colder it is the thinner it needs to be, hotter temps need thicker oils. think about it if the tranny is scratching the syncros when its cold is because the oil isnt able to expand enough to cover all the parts correctly when its warm the tranny is fully coated = fully functional trans

DriftEightSix 02-23-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by its_the_biz (Post 752956)
has your issues been fixed yet? if so, what has been done? im still getting the shitty shifting even 1000 miles later, today. :mad0260:

took the car in for the 1 month inspection and asked about it. they said it was normal and thats how the car was made. so im curious.

Nope issue returned 500-1000kms laterbooking the car in again soon.

They told me it was normal but I can't see how I for 500km it was smooth has.

GoSharks 02-24-2013 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reeves (Post 699444)
I got the same problem.. 2nd gear randomly grinds. Other times is perfectly smooth.. Switched to Pentosin MTF-2 tranny fluid for 4K miles now, but I still get the random grinds. Pentosin did make shifts feel alot better/easier though, especially when it's cold. Before Pentosin, it was all but impossible for me to shift into 2nd when cold.

I am starting to notice after a long drive (30 minutes or more) the grinds rarely, if ever, occur anymore.. maybe it goes away after the tranny gets really hot?

Same here. Switched to Pentosin, much better, but still grinds on occasion when cold.

Allch Chcar 02-24-2013 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPR Small Block (Post 753049)
i think its the opposite with the oil same thing with motor oil colder it is the thinner it needs to be, hotter temps need thicker oils. think about it if the tranny is scratching the syncros when its cold is because the oil isnt able to expand enough to cover all the parts correctly when its warm the tranny is fully coated = fully functional trans

Yep, I got it backwards even after considering it. Lighter oil is better for colder temps.

weedtank 02-25-2013 12:53 AM

So is this a normal occurence? I have about 400 miles on my car so far and it grinds going from 1st to 2nd in the cold. Goes away when warmed up though..

XPR Small Block 02-25-2013 01:10 AM

sounds like its normal brake in but i still wouldnt want it scratching because thats added wear on the trans.. if it persists i would drain fluid an inspect it for any shavings. maybe change to a thinner fluid??? an also try an sync your rpm with your next gear selection maybe your dropping too many rpms before you ingauge the gear?/ not tryin to knock you just helpful tip..


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