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quik1987 11-30-2011 04:43 AM
1.6L DI TURBO ENGINE
 
http://www.ft86club.com/wallpapers/b...e/IMG_5931.JPG
Quote:
Next-Generation Power Unit System
-Downsized direct fuel injection turbo engine -
・The downsized direct fuel injection turbo engine is one of the principal technologies that will guide Subaru's engine strategy in the future. Not only is acceleration quick and smooth with the new-generation Horizontally-Opposed engine, it is environmentally friendly. The direct fuel injection system which injects necessary amounts of fuel into the cylinders at appropriate moments, and a turbo system which efficiently supplies large amounts of air into the cylinders, along with the downsizing of current turbo engine displacements(2,500cc and 2,000cc)to 1,600cc drastically improve combustion efficiency at practical driving-speed range compared to the existing turbo engine.
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armythug 11-30-2011 04:45 AM
Yea why on earth would they put that turbo motor there? That's a big tease. I'm assuming that it's a turbo motor since it has that intercooler hanging off it. WHY did they do that??:iono: I would like some info on that if possible.

Kostamojen 11-30-2011 04:45 AM
That is indeed a turbo FB motor.

However, probably for the WRX and Forester/Legacy turbos (maybe STI too).

It obviously isn't for the BRZ, since the manifold is the wrong way around and the intercooler won't fit.

The nutty thing is...

Why is there no information about this!?!?!?!

Its totally and completely a mystery right now, Subaru didn't announce it or anything! Its just randomly sitting at that autoshow.

We need more PHOTOS!!! (especially of the plaque in front of it)

nrclptcnsmniak 11-30-2011 04:51 AM
^ if it is for the WRX then would the redline for the turbo engine be just as high as the BRZ?

WingsofWar 11-30-2011 04:51 AM
i was wondering why nobody responded to me earlier today...i was like..

oh look at a turbo FB engine....anyone notice?

3 pages later..nobody reply :(

figured people thought i was crazy and ignored me

nrclptcnsmniak 11-30-2011 04:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WingsofWar (Post 83938)
i was wondering why nobody responded to me earlier today...i was like..

oh look at a turbo FB engine....anyone notice?

3 pages later..nobody reply :(

figured people thought i was crazy and ignored me

i read threads backwards lol. I saw your post but Kostamojen had already commented about it :/ due to the fact I read them backwards.

Hachiroku 11-30-2011 04:56 AM
I'll try to get some pics of it tomorrow.

Harinjo 11-30-2011 05:00 AM
there will be definitely a brz fb20 turbo - sti is already working on it ;)

Kostamojen 11-30-2011 05:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hachiroku (Post 83941)
I'll try to get some pics of it tomorrow.
Thank you! :thumbup:

quik1987 11-30-2011 05:04 AM
MIGHT be the turbo diesel
http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/P...R7iNrS8K0l.jpg
http://image.dieselpowermag.com/f/84...+side_view.jpg
http://cdn0.caradvice.com.au/wp-cont..._Engine_01.jpg
http://www.aussiemotoring.com/wp-con...sel-engine.jpg
http://www.aussiemotoring.com/wp-con...sel-engine.jpg
http://www.aussiemotoring.com/wp-con...sel-engine.jpg

Allch Chcar 11-30-2011 05:08 AM
Demands? It's not for the GT86/BRZ otherwise they would be advertising it more. Subaru had an engine display.

Quote:
Originally Posted by WingsofWar (Post 83938)
i was wondering why nobody responded to me earlier today...i was like..

oh look at a turbo FB engine....anyone notice?

3 pages later..nobody reply :(

figured people thought i was crazy and ignored me
I saw it(as in your post) but I didn't have time to post until later. Sorry Kratos.

Kostamojen 11-30-2011 05:09 AM
Nope, the turbo diesel is on the OTHER side:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...n/IMG_5941.jpg

quik1987 11-30-2011 05:24 AM
Another angle
http://www.ft86club.com/wallpapers/b...e/IMG_5930.JPG

Levi 11-30-2011 06:23 AM
I think it is the engine of the Subaru Impreza WRX STI S206. I was on display there. It is an only JDM version.

Slide 11-30-2011 06:41 AM
Where's the turbo? Can't see it

Slide 11-30-2011 06:42 AM
, can only see an intercooler on the other motor next to it

70NYD 11-30-2011 07:24 AM
I'm confused at which engine your talking about. The one in the foreground or one in the background?
The one in foreground doesn't look like it has a turbo
The one in the background has a Intercooler
Is the one in the background (of the first photo) te engine your talking bout??

spoolin 11-30-2011 07:41 AM
The one closest to us is the d4s brz motor it clearly says Toyota d4s Subaru the motor in the background looks very very similar to the d4s except for the turbo and routing of the belts could this be one of the easy swaps they have been referring to this whole time? The reason why they set up the engine mounts like all other Subaru motors?

jakub4 11-30-2011 10:08 AM
I'm not sure if it makes a difference, but the engine with the intercooler in the background looks like the oil filter is mounted on the top, like the brz engine. You can see the lip for the oil filter mount sticking out just a lil in the first picture posted. If this is the s206 jdm engine, does it have the oil filter in the top mount location?

quik1987 11-30-2011 10:38 AM
Not the S206 motor
http://cdn2.worldcarfans.co/2011/11/...1283903394.jpg

torquemada 11-30-2011 10:51 AM
1.6 liter Horizontally-Opposed direct fuel injection turbo engine

from the concept car

http://www.fhi.co.jp/english/contents/pdf_en_75486.pdf

quik1987 11-30-2011 10:56 AM
From the PDF
Quote:
Next-Generation Power Unit System
- Downsized direct fuel injection turbo engine -
・The downsized direct fuel injection turbo engine is one of the principal technologies that will guide Subaru's engine strategy in the future. Not only is acceleration quick and smooth with the new-generation Horizontally-Opposed engine, it is environmentally friendly. The direct fuel injection system which injects necessary amounts of fuel into the cylinders at appropriate moments, and a turbo system which efficiently supplies large amounts of air into the cylinders, along with the downsizing of current turbo engine displacements(2,500cc and 2,000cc)to 1,600cc drastically improve combustion efficiency at practical driving-speed range compared to the existing turbo engine.

torquemada 11-30-2011 11:23 AM
you know that you screwed the thread now with changing the first post?

quik1987 11-30-2011 11:27 AM
How so?

torquemada 11-30-2011 11:29 AM
because the second, third etc post now doesn´t make any sense until my first post...

Eldorian 11-30-2011 11:39 AM
The World Rally Championship's new rules state engines must be 1.6L. That engine is for the next WRX, which Subaru has hinted might be a coupe based on the BRZ platform. I'm considering waiting, personally. AWD might be useful where I live, and more power is good too.

Ryephile 11-30-2011 11:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slide (Post 84023)
Where's the turbo? Can't see it
It's in the same location as the Diesel engine, below the engine in the front.

An FB16T would be fascinating for next-gen WRX, but I'm not interested in any turbo in the FT-86 chassis.

I'd rather have a high-revving special version of the FA20 kept n/a.

tranzformer 11-30-2011 11:56 AM
Might just need to wait for the '13 WRX to be released to decided between a BRZ or WRX.

torquemada 11-30-2011 12:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldorian (Post 84207)
The World Rally Championship's new rules state engines must be 1.6L. That engine is for the next WRX, which Subaru has hinted might be a coupe based on the BRZ platform. I'm considering waiting, personally. AWD might be useful where I live, and more power is good too.
correct: 1,6 l
but no boxer engine allowed, only inline 4

and again: the BRZ will never have AWD, get over it

tranzformer 11-30-2011 12:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by torquemada (Post 84232)
correct: 1,6 l
but no boxer engine allowed, only inline 4

and again: the BRZ will never have AWD, get over it

Never heard no boxer allowed in WRC. You have a link to a source?

maximumunicorn 11-30-2011 12:20 PM
I think Eldorian was trying to point out that the 2013 WRX (assuming it has a 1.6T, it's a coupe, and AWD), would be a nice BRZ alternative for people who live in snowy regions.

Maybe by then there'll be a base BRZ available that's cheaper though!

Spaceywilly 11-30-2011 12:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by torquemada (Post 84232)
correct: 1,6 l
but no boxer engine allowed, only inline 4

and again: the BRZ will never have AWD, get over it
He was talking about the next WRX, which this engine is for. The WRC rules don't specify engine layout, only that it must be the same as the homologated production car.

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.../255A_2011.pdf

Syldrin 11-30-2011 12:50 PM
on the first picture the silver half circle on the bottom of the second motor. follow the charge pipe down from the IC you will see it. it's a cute lil guy.

Syldrin 11-30-2011 12:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldorian (Post 84207)
The World Rally Championship's new rules state engines must be 1.6L. That engine is for the next WRX, which Subaru has hinted might be a coupe based on the BRZ platform. I'm considering waiting, personally. AWD might be useful where I live, and more power is good too.
subaru pulled out of the WRC though. thats why ken blok jumped ship to ford.

tranzformer 11-30-2011 12:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by syldrin (Post 84302)
subaru pulled out of the WRC though. thats why ken blok jumped ship to ford.
Rumors are Subaru will be back in WRC.

gt86vx 11-30-2011 01:20 PM
the motor will fit with a sti hood and scoop :)

quik1987 11-30-2011 03:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gt86vx (Post 84340)
the motor will fit with a sti hood and scoop :)
or a fmic

old greg 11-30-2011 04:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 84238)
Never heard no boxer allowed in WRC. You have a link to a source?
We have discussed this previously, albeit in a rather obscure location.

Quote:
Originally Posted by old greg (Post 38446)
Perhaps my memory is a bit faulty when it comes to the reason Subaru pulled out of WRC. I do know that using the flat four would not have been an option though. After a bit of digging, I believe problem is that S2000 rules require that cars run one of two approved gearboxes (made by Sadev and Xtrac), both of which are for transversely mounted engines. A flat Four just wouldn't fit, so they'd need to produce a new car with an engine that would fit (pretty much needs to be an I4) in order to return to WRC.

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...%29-080311.pdf

The two transmissions: the Xtrac 532 and the Sadev ST90-16 4RM
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Snoopyalien24 11-30-2011 04:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WingsofWar (Post 83938)
i was wondering why nobody responded to me earlier today...i was like..

oh look at a turbo FB engine....anyone notice?

3 pages later..nobody reply :(

figured people thought i was crazy and ignored me
I replied but and had like 5 tabs open, while watching the live feed. My PC crashed like 4 times (literally) and just figured everyone else was gonna reply to u anyways.

Never getting Dell again :D

tranzformer 11-30-2011 07:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by old greg (Post 84612)
We have discussed this previously, albeit in a rather obscure location.
I'm sure Subaru would figure a workaround for that. I don't see them not running a boxer engine.


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