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JoeBoxer 12-17-2012 11:22 AM

Found a new coilover option from Tein
 
http://www.tein.com/products/photo/stbn_products.jpg
http://www.tein.com/products/street_basis.html

Ride Height Adj Range (F): -1.0~-1.9in (-25~-48mm)
Spring Rate (F): 280lbs/in (5kgf/mm)
Ride Height Adj Range (R): -1.0~-2.1in (-25~-53mm)
Spring Rate (R): 336lbs/in (6kgf/mm)
Uppermount: OEM Uppermount

TEIN Dampers - Street Basis: TEIN Street Basis Damper is the evolution of the popular BASIC coilover model. It incorporates new internal and external components, newly developed coatings and new manufacturing processes.

TEIN engineers have spent many hours developing new seals and internal components to improve durability and product life. This was one of our major goals for the new model.

Newly developed “ZT” coating for improved durability and hassle-free ride height adjustment. TEIN developed this coating in-house after stringent test and analysis procedures. Our engineers tested different coats, application methods, cleaning processes, etc… in our own brine salt water testing machine which simulates heavy solvents/ road salts used in cold weather climates.

Slip-fit threaded adjustment tube. Allows for damper body and threaded sleeve to be thoroughly coated for rust/ corrosion protection.

The slip-fit allows a more thorough coating on the threaded section as well as powder coated damper body.

Revised Aluminum Spring Seat and Delrin Thrust Washer are light weight and durable. This combination allows for smooth ride height adjustment. The new spring seats have a larger contact surface area and eliminate the need for a rubber spring seat


I like the spring rates and the fact it lets me use my stock upper mounts, the price for me is about half of the GC street system i was looking at, i've had good luck with my H tech springs but think these may be in my future.

msrp is $830.00

JPxM0Dz 12-17-2012 11:45 AM

Nice! Great price and a quality coilover you can expect from Tein :thumbsup:

JoeBoxer 12-17-2012 11:48 AM

The picture is not of the actual FR-S system, haven't seen that yet but will update when i get more info.

JoeBoxer 12-17-2012 12:48 PM

And a writeup from MrHeelToe a highly respected vendor on the Acura forums.
http://www.heeltoeauto.com/pitboard/?p=1139

JPxM0Dz 12-17-2012 01:27 PM

Great review! I'm Sold :thumbsup:

whitejdm 12-17-2012 02:01 PM

Great find! I wonder how something like this stacks up against the other 800-1100 kits from Fortune etc..

JoeBoxer 12-17-2012 02:26 PM

I would like to hear from TIC, racecomp, and Strano about what they think but for the price I may just be the guinea pig.

FT-86 SpeedFactory 12-17-2012 02:45 PM

We just loaded these up the other night on the site. ;)

Got two units in stock now even.

JoeBoxer 12-17-2012 02:50 PM

ETA is March 2013

Racecomp Engineering 12-17-2012 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeBoxer (Post 613660)
I would like to hear from TIC, racecomp, and Strano about what they think but for the price I may just be the guinea pig.

I went for a ride a while ago on Tein Basics on an STI. The valving was SOFT...and generally comfortable for most roads. However, compression travel was lacking big time, so even medium sized bumps were a little too sharp and very noticeable IMO. For performance they were soft. I'm not sure where I'd put them compared to other low end coilovers like BC/Megan/etc since it's been a little while. For a similar price I'd certainly prefer Koni inserts with good springs for performance but you had to know I'd say that. ;)

- Andrew

JoeBoxer 12-17-2012 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering (Post 613728)
I went for a ride a while ago on Tein Basics on an STI. The valving was SOFT...and generally comfortable for most roads. However, compression travel was lacking big time, so even medium sized bumps were a little too sharp and very noticeable IMO. For performance they were soft. I'm not sure where I'd put them compared to other low end coilovers like BC/Megan/etc since it's been a little while. For a similar price I'd certainly prefer Koni inserts with good springs for performance but you had to know I'd say that. ;)

- Andrew

The Street Basis is supposed to be an improvement over the Basics but as we all know you get what you pay for. I'm relatively happy with the Tein H Tech springs i have so if they were an improvement over those with stock struts which they would almost have to be they may work out well for me.

I am a little leary just because of the price but i still think they would be better than BC/Megan/KSport...

I'm sure the Koni's in the GC Street setup are a far superior damper and i could get those for about the same price but not sure how they would work with the Tein springs i have.

JPxM0Dz 12-17-2012 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer (Post 613721)
ETA is March 2013

Meh guess I'm back to square one :thumbdown:

JoeBoxer 12-17-2012 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPxM0Dz (Post 613767)
Meh guess I'm back to square one :thumbdown:

Not exactly i got 2 sets ordered that will be here in a week or so...

I am getting a vendor account set up so if you are interested in these shoot me a pm. Can't wait to do what I can to help you guys out on parts.

JoeBoxer 12-20-2012 06:08 PM

These are shipping to me tomorrow so i will post some pics when they get here.

invisage 12-20-2012 06:33 PM

Thoughts on the street advance kit?

zoomzoomers 12-20-2012 07:01 PM

So just out of curiosity, what is a good bang for the buck coilover system that you guys would recommend? Or at that point just go with the Koni inserts and REC springs? ;):thanks:

JoeBoxer 12-20-2012 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers (Post 620154)
So just out of curiosity, what is a good bang for the buck coilover system that you guys would recommend? Or at that point just go with the Koni inserts and REC springs? ;):thanks:

Ground Control Street system is nice because you get their housings and Koni dampers with valving designed for them.

I am going to try these Tein's and report back i got myself a set and one extra to sell.

JoeBoxer 12-20-2012 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by invisage (Post 620112)
Thoughts on the street advance kit?

Do they offer it for the 86? I think the Flex would be their next step up from these.

invisage 12-20-2012 07:29 PM

yeah they do. in fact the reason I ask is I was originally going to save for a set KW's but I might be able to get a bargain on a set of the street advance to tie me over until I can afford the shoes and socks (rims and breaks) to go with the KW's. But finding any feedback on these has been near on impossible. Admittedly I have no experience in suspension so I may just do it so I can see the difference when going to the KW's and I think I might be able to get it at a price that I could almost sell them second hand and not make a loss but I should be spending the money on other things :)

JoeBoxer 12-20-2012 07:55 PM

Do you have an info link to the Advance?

invisage 12-20-2012 08:48 PM

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...street+advance

invisage 12-20-2012 08:56 PM

This is probably more what you are after though: http://www.tein.com/products/street_advance.html

JoeBoxer 12-20-2012 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by invisage (Post 620330)
This is probably more what you are after though: http://www.tein.com/products/street_advance.html

Cool, i'm getting to try the Basis pretty much for free so they are worth a shot. i'm fine with no adjustability i don't need 40 clicks of adjustment on a coilover i will post a review compared to my Tein H Tech's on stock shocks probably around the first of the year. I'm going to get the stiffer upper rubber mounts, group s or n something like that.

Joeprelude 01-04-2013 01:39 PM

any new info?

JoeBoxer 01-04-2013 02:24 PM

Somebody cleaned out my distributor before i could get a set ordered. A good option for entry level though if you don't need a lot of adjustment.

thatWESguy 01-04-2013 05:55 PM

@JoeBoxer: Patiently waiting for your review, I've ridden in Basics in other cars, and for the price they do get the job done. I'm looking for a good streetable coilover that won't break the bank, and was hoping to avoid some of the lower end companies (BC/Fortune/Megan) who are based out of China/Korea, so this might be a viable option. Keep us posted when you get around to picking up a set

JoeBoxer 01-04-2013 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thatWESguy (Post 644802)
@JoeBoxer: Patiently waiting for your review, I've ridden in Basics in other cars, and for the price they do get the job done. I'm looking for a good streetable coilover that won't break the bank, and was hoping to avoid some of the lower end companies (BC/Fortune/Megan) who are based out of China/Korea, so this might be a viable option. Keep us posted when you get around to picking up a set

Will do, i don't know if i'm going to go with them on my personal car i'm gonna add a front sway bar and change tires before i go through the trouble of changing my springs out but if anybody wants a set i will do an entry price on them to get a review out there.

JoeBoxer 01-13-2013 02:17 AM

@CSG Mike how do you think these would work for me? Daily driving only, just looking for increased performance and a little more drop than my h techs provide.

CSG Mike 01-13-2013 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer (Post 661842)
@CSG Mike how do you think these would work for me? Daily driving only, just looking for increased performance and a little more drop than my h techs provide.

While Tein makes products for every budget, I believe these are made to compete with other cheap coilovers on the market, albeit, with a better known brand name, and I can't believe these to be any better than the taiwanese/chinese made coilovers. I'm actually surprised it's priced to be competitive with those; Tein's overhead and costs are higher.

I can't vouch for a product that I wouldn't buy myself or haven't tested.

And yes, we're Tein sponsored, but I say it how it is.

JoeBoxer 01-13-2013 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 662696)
While Tein makes products for every budget, I believe these are made to compete with other cheap coilovers on the market, albeit, with a better known brand name, and I can't believe these to be any better than the taiwanese/chinese made coilovers. I'm actually surprised it's priced to be competitive with those; Tein's overhead and costs are higher.

I can't vouch for a product that I wouldn't buy myself or haven't tested.

And yes, we're Tein sponsored, but I say it how it is.

That's why I asked you I appreciate the honesty, the street advanced may be a little more worthy of my money. I'm between a tein product or the ground control street system. Also waiting to hear about the eibach and bilstein options.

fatoni 01-13-2013 09:19 PM

it continues to blow my mind that people will buy budget suspension on brand new cars. i get it when you buy a 2500 dollar miata but you most likely spent 25+k on a car. an extra grand or so will go such a long way and in the over all scheme of things (30,000-40,000 in budget) its almost negligible. tein monoflex or kw v3 seem like the least amount of aftermarket suspension that this car deserves considering how sharp it rolls off the line.

if you want to get low just buy springs. if you want to go faster, buy faster.

JoeBoxer 01-13-2013 09:55 PM

Already have springs, I bought some with a mild drop hoping I wouldn't have to get anything for camber correction but the car was off a degree from left to right in the rear so I had to buy lca's anyways. If I had know that I could have went with a different spring option but when I bought these I knew I would be upgrading when there were more options available.

I don't need all the adjustment that kw's offer, they are a great coilover and I get them for a good price but just because these are under $1k doesn't automatically mean they are terrible. My car might see the track once a year since there isn't one in my state, these things might be great for a DD but until somebody tests them out we will never know. I still think they will be better than the bc/ksport/Megan type stuff.

gabeg86 02-17-2013 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer (Post 663206)
I don't need all the adjustment that kw's offer, they are a great coilover and I get them for a good price but just because these are under $1k doesn't automatically mean they are terrible. My car might see the track once a year since there isn't one in my state, these things might be great for a DD but until somebody tests them out we will never know. I still think they will be better than the bc/ksport/Megan type stuff.

any updates? i'm in the same boat. no track here so these are just for DD and for greater reliability over lowering springs and stock struts. i may be willing to be a guinea pig for these. the basics had a good rep in the rsx world and these are supposed to be upgrades over those. could you pm me pricing and availability info?

JoeBoxer 02-17-2013 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabeg86 (Post 740470)
any updates? i'm in the same boat. no track here so these are just for DD and for greater reliability over lowering springs and stock struts. i may be willing to be a guinea pig for these. the basics had a good rep in the rsx world and these are supposed to be upgrades over those. could you pm me pricing and availability info?

Sent you a pm, if i ever get to buy anything else for my car this is what i'll be getting also just going to be quite a while until i get in better financial shape. TEIN's other coilovers for the 86 have all been well reviewed, the SRC and Street Advance seem to be excellent i have no reason to believe these won't be too for their desired customer. They aren't intended for the hardcore track guys but for a daily driver i think they should not be overlooked just because of their price.

gabeg86 02-18-2013 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer (Post 741013)
Sent you a pm, if i ever get to buy anything else for my car this is what i'll be getting also just going to be quite a while until i get in better financial shape. TEIN's other coilovers for the 86 have all been well reviewed, the SRC and Street Advance seem to be excellent i have no reason to believe these won't be too for their desired customer. They aren't intended for the hardcore track guys but for a daily driver i think they should not be overlooked just because of their price.


exactly! thank you. pm'd back. look forward to doing business in the very near future :thumbsup:

JoeBoxer 02-18-2013 02:00 AM

Nice avatar pic Gabe!

Alliedforces86 02-22-2013 10:55 AM

I've been contemplating getting the Tein Basics for a little now. Though I do tracks days when I can, but I mostly drive on the street. I'm a firm believer that for a street going car coils are VERY unnecessary. But what draws me to these Teins is that they're none adjustable, which most people don't need, they're rebuildable, and it's a product from a quality company. I'm currently on stock struts and Eibachs sport line springs, but this setup perform surprisingly well at my last track event. I want the Teins because they shouldn't be as harsh for street use as some of the competitors in the price range, and in my eyes, they're pretty much just a short stroke suspension system. And if my stock struts and lowering springs can hold up to a hard weekend of running Sonoma Raceway then I'm sure these Teins would do just fine.

Tein does say that the Basics are for those that are into the "stanced" scene. Since most aggressive wheel setups require you to run coils. So I'd say Tein has them for people that don't need track worthy coils, but need coils to run the wheels and lower height that's so popular these days.

King Tut 02-22-2013 11:18 AM

My only expereicne with the Tein Basics was on my Honda Civic EG hatch. I previously had Neuspeed Race Springs and some shock which was super slow and super stiff. I installed the Tein Basics and the ride was a ton softer and I actually dragged my APEXi N1 exhaust more often because of the softness. The difference in ride was night and day and they made for a much more comfortable daily driver. I would say these are for those that want to lower their car while maintaining a very soft and comfortable drive.

Alliedforces86 02-22-2013 12:09 PM

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bigjake 02-22-2013 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering (Post 613728)
I went for a ride a while ago on Tein Basics on an STI. The valving was SOFT...and generally comfortable for most roads. However, compression travel was lacking big time, so even medium sized bumps were a little too sharp and very noticeable IMO. For performance they were soft. I'm not sure where I'd put them compared to other low end coilovers like BC/Megan/etc since it's been a little while. For a similar price I'd certainly prefer Koni inserts with good springs for performance but you had to know I'd say that. ;)

- Andrew

One of the HPDE guys from Kansas city noticed a huge improvement switching from koni yellows and HR race springs to a set of BC BRs with the swift spring upgrade on his e46 sedan. 4 seconds quicker as well. So I would recommend BC.


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