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nzer 11-29-2012 06:00 AM

OBDII Connector
 
Any of you in Oz or NZ got an iPhone, android or PC hooked up to and working with the OBDII connector? Yes I have tried :search: and have found some discussion in USA forum but nothing on the Australasian forum so not sure if our connectors are "live".

If you have got it working can you get real time oil temp?

And, what connector/transmitter are you using, what reader (iPhone, android, laptop) and what app or software.

Chojin9 11-29-2012 04:35 PM

Some talk of it here,

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16640

RAN94A 11-29-2012 05:37 PM

bluetooth OBD + Android phone + torque app.

fin.

nzer 11-29-2012 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAN94A (Post 581805)
bluetooth OBD + Android phone + torque app.

fin.

Which bluetooth OBD sender do you use?

Yruyur 11-29-2012 06:04 PM

No real time oil temp. Link to the one I use in my Sig.

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nzer 11-29-2012 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yruyur (Post 581855)
No real time oil temp. Link to the one I use in my Sig.

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Code 01 5C 1 on this wikipedia list (assuming correct) seems to indicate it is the oil temp code. Can we not get real time data as there's no actual oil temp sensor on the car or some other reason?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OBD-II_PIDs

lazyluka 11-29-2012 06:44 PM

I have the same one at home as Yruyur.

Just need a car :)

Looking at Torque, it should be possible as you can add custom PID's. Just added mine. I just don't know if our vehicles output Oil Temp.

Perhaps someone can try?

Torque Settings -> Manage available OBD2 PIDs
Add Custom PID


OBD2 PID:
015C (may need a space between 01 and 5C)
Long Name:
Engine Oil Temp (Change this to your liking)
Short Name:
Oil (Change this to your liking)
Min Value:
-40
Max Value:
210
Scale Factor:
x1
Unit Type:
°C
Equation:
A-40


If I understand correctly, if you want Fahrenheit replace A-40 in the equation above with: 9/5*(A-8)

Yruyur 11-29-2012 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nzer (Post 581909)
Code 01 5C 1 on this wikipedia list (assuming correct) seems to indicate it is the oil temp code. Can we not get real time data as there's no actual oil temp sensor on the car or some other reason?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OBD-II_PIDs

I was looking for that PID I will try using it. I was told there is a sensor and the Toyota software can read it but not confirmed.

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nzer 11-29-2012 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yruyur (Post 581940)
I was looking for that PID I will try using it. I was told there is a sensor and the Toyota software can read it but not confirmed.

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Be very interested to hear if that PID works if you can test pretty please!

Yruyur 11-29-2012 07:25 PM

Testing now...we when my car gets done being washed.

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JesseE 11-29-2012 07:27 PM

I use the ELM 127 obd2 bluetooth adapter (amazon for 10$)
and torque app for galaxy nexus/asus tablet from google play (5$)


Works great, and the addon's for torque to get video overlay of your inputs for logging is free and pretty sweet

Yruyur 11-29-2012 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JesseE (Post 582007)
I use the ELM 127 obd2 bluetooth adapter (amazon for 10$)
and torque app for galaxy nexus/asus tablet from google play (5$)


Works great, and the addon's for torque to get video overlay of your inputs for logging is free and pretty sweet

You mean the oil temp works?

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Yruyur 11-29-2012 07:30 PM

Not working.

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keen as 11-29-2012 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazyluka (Post 581921)
I have the same one at home as Yruyur.

Just need a car :)

Looking at Torque, it should be possible as you can add custom PID's. Just added mine. I just don't know if our vehicles output Oil Temp.

Perhaps someone can try?

Torque Settings -> Manage available OBD2 PIDs
Add Custom PID


OBD2 PID:
015C (may need a space between 01 and 5C)
Long Name:
Engine Oil Temp (Change this to your liking)
Short Name:
Oil (Change this to your liking)
Min Value:
-40
Max Value:
210
Scale Factor:
x1
Unit Type:
°C
Equation:
A-40


If I understand correctly, if you want Fahrenheit replace A-40 in the equation above with: 9/5*(A-8)

Just tested it
NOT work for oil temp
Anything else I can try?

Yruyur 11-29-2012 07:33 PM

I put a space what about you

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keen as 11-29-2012 07:37 PM

no space

70NYD 11-30-2012 03:15 AM

Don't you have a list of PID's and can scan for all of them like on the dashcommander?
Perhaps that code you are looking for isn't a temperature readout, but a switch? As in if that code logs the temp went higher than allowed?

Edit no I was wrong its bit a switch lol
Sorry

Next question, does toyota use SAE oil temp code or their own one?

Yruyur 11-30-2012 10:19 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Using the ecutek cable and the software is reporting live engine oil temp. Now if we could get the damn pid.

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eckoflyte 11-30-2012 11:10 PM

Thats a great breakthrough Yruyur. Keep us informed as this would be extremely useful. Now if we could measure oil pressure that would be awesome.

Yruyur 12-01-2012 02:51 AM

Anyone know the pid used for a wrx?

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Yruyur 12-01-2012 03:49 AM

Anyone else that got an elm that has the free software that came with them? I think there was some scanning software

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Brody602 12-01-2012 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yruyur (Post 584608)
Anyone else that got an elm that has the free software that came with them? I think there was some scanning software

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Not sure if the scan tool is actually used to determine PID's, any way you can pull it from EcuTek somehow?

On an ebay description for one here is what it says;
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/200825637966?...#ht_7900wt_922

Software Included:
Scantool_net113win (Full Version)
EasyOBDII V2.2 (Full Version)
OBD2Spy (Demo Version)
ScanMaster-ELM (Demo Version)
wOBDCRAZY (Demo Version)
This hardware can match many other software still! But most are not free.

Packing List
1*EOBD / OBD2 Main Unit
1*CD-ROM

Yruyur 12-02-2012 11:37 AM

I looked within ecutek software and didn't see anything. Someone needs to find a friend that has access to techstream to see if it can be pulled from there.

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Yruyur 12-02-2012 02:10 PM

There is a free PID scanner plugin for torque. I ran a full scan for over 30 minutes then it froze on me. Ran a quick one and this is what it is reporting as discovered.....what it means I have no clue.

Command: 2100 response:6100BC000001
Command: 2101 response:
01F
0:610100000000
1:55626043628300
2:00000000072551
3:21200001000400
4:1631967B000000
Command: 2103 response:61030180AD8000
Command: 2104 response:
00F
0:610480008000
1:46668000800052
2:80800000000000
Command: 2105 response:
008
0:610506B64C5D
1:03E50000000000
Command: 2106 response:
00F
0:61060007E524
1:0303000077E5E4
2:00000000000000
Command: 2120 response:6120EC0022D1
Command: 2121 response:
00E
0:612101008000
1:00000000000000
2:00000000000000
Command: 2122 response:6122027700
Command: 2123 response:61230100
Command: 2125 response:
008
0:612500000400
1:00200000000000
Command: 2126 response:
008
0:612606180440
1:80200000000000
Command: 2133 response:
009
0:613306040080
1:39138800000000
Command: 2137 response:
014
0:6137D39B8000
1:80008000000000
2:00000404007F06
Command: 2139 response:61390000000000
Command: 213a response:
00B
0:613A00000000
1:00000000000000
Command: 213c response:
012
0:613C00000000
1:0000000000000F
2:A4020000000000
Command: 2140 response:6140DC00D801
Command: 2141 response:
014
0:61412C2C0B0D
1:25000028882120
2:2551251E000E2E
Command: 2142 response:
00C
0:61427A380356
1:2E660000410000
Command: 2144 response:
026
0:614423330000
1:80002333000080
2:00233300000000
3:23330000000080
4:00800000000000
5:00000000000000
Command: 2145 response:614500000000
Command: 2146 response:6146115C40
Command: 2151 response:
01F
0:615100000000
1:00FFFF824A7B88
2:3A3A0000033901
3:C2800080008000
4:80000000000000
Command: 2152 response:
00A
0:615280808080
1:80000000000000
Command: 2154 response:
00C
0:615400000000
1:00000000000000
Command: 2155 response:
00A
0:615580DA8080
1:DCCABDD5000000
Command: 2160 response:616000000001


Anyone else want to give it a try?

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Brody602 12-02-2012 02:38 PM

maybe this can be of assistance to you? got it froma thread on the torque forums

1) Get the TorqueScan plugin.
2) Run the TorqueScan application on your car – this may take 3+ hours depending on how many actual PID’s (think of them as memory addresses in a computer/PLC). If you are looking for a temp sensor – run this scan on a completely cold car to use the known temp sensors (coolant is pretty universal) to have as a baseline of what other temp modules would have. Learn how you would test/verify the data of the sensor you are looking for (IE: my next step is to find the KR PID – I’ll be tapping near my knock sensor watching 6 PIDs at a time to see if any respond – PIDs that measured Zero on scan).
3) Take the PID scan results and save them in notepad (forces you to email them to Ian I believe) and look at (traditionally mode 22 PIDs for GM’s – not sure for other brands protocols). and draw a line down in a column that provides the payload data from each return of the PID. IE: Command:222002 repsonse: 62 20 02 FF The 62 20 02 is the response of the PID address, the FF is the data.
4) The data is provided in Hex – convert to decimal to get a rough gauge of what it could mean. (temp sensors typically are A-40 – take that in mind).
5) Have a beer, relax, and look through all data values that seem they may be near/around a known data value. IE: My coolant temp sensor cold was data value ’43′hex = 67decimal. Then I take 67-40(per the formula) = 27. 27*C = 80.6*F. A bit of simple math here may help get a rough idea… you could confirm this with your dash display – if you have coolant temp/air temp.
6) With some of the PID’s that could work, test them out – make a few test PID configs, map them in the dashboard view and see how they respond. See if you can confirm this information via other means (thermometer/etc). This is how I found my IAT2.
7) Come back to the forum, share your results – pass a beer to a friend and enjoy the fruits of your labor (Diagnostic reverse engineering can be fun! share with a friend!)
Thanks,
Matt

Brody602 12-02-2012 02:41 PM

also does anyone have an account to the Toyota TIS?
might be a way to get the codes..

techinfo.toyota.com

Yruyur 12-02-2012 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brody602 (Post 586411)
maybe this can be of assistance to you? got it froma thread on the torque forums

1) Get the TorqueScan plugin.
2) Run the TorqueScan application on your car – this may take 3+ hours depending on how many actual PID’s (think of them as memory addresses in a computer/PLC). If you are looking for a temp sensor – run this scan on a completely cold car to use the known temp sensors (coolant is pretty universal) to have as a baseline of what other temp modules would have. Learn how you would test/verify the data of the sensor you are looking for (IE: my next step is to find the KR PID – I’ll be tapping near my knock sensor watching 6 PIDs at a time to see if any respond – PIDs that measured Zero on scan).
3) Take the PID scan results and save them in notepad (forces you to email them to Ian I believe) and look at (traditionally mode 22 PIDs for GM’s – not sure for other brands protocols). and draw a line down in a column that provides the payload data from each return of the PID. IE: Command:222002 repsonse: 62 20 02 FF The 62 20 02 is the response of the PID address, the FF is the data.
4) The data is provided in Hex – convert to decimal to get a rough gauge of what it could mean. (temp sensors typically are A-40 – take that in mind).
5) Have a beer, relax, and look through all data values that seem they may be near/around a known data value. IE: My coolant temp sensor cold was data value ’43′hex = 67decimal. Then I take 67-40(per the formula) = 27. 27*C = 80.6*F. A bit of simple math here may help get a rough idea… you could confirm this with your dash display – if you have coolant temp/air temp.
6) With some of the PID’s that could work, test them out – make a few test PID configs, map them in the dashboard view and see how they respond. See if you can confirm this information via other means (thermometer/etc). This is how I found my IAT2.
7) Come back to the forum, share your results – pass a beer to a friend and enjoy the fruits of your labor (Diagnostic reverse engineering can be fun! share with a friend!)
Thanks,
Matt

You have a link to that discussion?

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Brody602 12-02-2012 02:51 PM

here it is, the post i sent you was the very last post in it, but the thread starts off with a guy asking how to get pid's which in turn resulted into someone being able to reverse engineer pid's and so on, I only read the first two pages and then went to the last page and found that, because I have just about no clue what to do with any of this information lmao. If you search on the forum "toyota pid" you might be able to find some more stuff.

http://torque-bhp.com/forums/?wpforu...topic&t=1629.0

lazyluka 12-02-2012 02:52 PM

I pick up my car sometime this week. I think I will ask the dealer if they can assist. They seemed helpful thus far and it would benefit their TRD kitted demo car.

Otherwise, I will sit down on the weekend and try this out (if I can resist driving it that is :) )

nzer 12-02-2012 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazyluka (Post 586432)
I pick up my car sometime this week. I think I will ask the dealer if they can assist. They seemed helpful thus far and it would benefit their TRD kitted demo car.

Otherwise, I will sit down on the weekend and try this out (if I can resist driving it that is :) )

Excellent Luka. I have the same ELM on order as you so if you could simply do all of the leg work and get it working and then give me the answer that would be "most excellent!". :thumbup:

F1point4 12-29-2012 12:50 AM

I may get into the game with the scanning.

nzer 12-29-2012 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F1point4 (Post 632797)
I may get into the game with the scanning.

I ended up getting the HKS OB-Link hooked up to a 7" android tablet.

Works perfectly and has the oil temp that we haven't been able to get the code working for.

Check out the post from here http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...t=23305&page=6



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F1point4 12-29-2012 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nzer (Post 632836)
I ended up getting the HKS OB-Link hooked up to a 7" android tablet.

Works perfectly and has the oil temp that we haven't been able to get the code working for.

Check out the post from here http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...t=23305&page=6



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I tried the car scope with the kiwi/PLX Bluetooth adapter and the software refuses to pair with the BT module. I don't know what HKS did to get oil temp, but now I see why that ob-link adapter is so much money. I'm not ready to drop that much right now :(

nzer 01-02-2013 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F1point4 (Post 633197)
I tried the car scope with the kiwi/PLX Bluetooth adapter and the software refuses to pair with the BT module. I don't know what HKS did to get oil temp, but now I see why that ob-link adapter is so much money. I'm not ready to drop that much right now :(

I think carscope only works with the HKS OB-Link. There's lots of other apps that work with the Kiwi Plx Bluetooth and the Kiwi Plx wifi but not carscope. See my next post about all the combos I have tried for oil temp

nzer 01-02-2013 10:21 PM

@lazyluka and @F1point4 and anyone else interested:

Damn, tried the kiwi2 plx wifi connector with all the iPhone apps that seem compatible AND the ELM327 with three android apps and NONE showed real time oil temp.

Then tried the oil temp PID from Wikipedia and no data received.

So, looks like my earlier solution with the HKS OB-Link is the only way I can see to get real time oil temp. Cost is approx US$300 for the OB-Link, the carscope app is free, and if you have an android phone that is all you need other than a suction mount for your android phone that you can get cheap from eBay. At this stage the HKS OB-Link is not compatible with iPhone.

For a really nice look you can link to an installed 7" tablet in your dash or suction mount to the screen.

I see there's also some really expensive JVC and Pioneer head units that may allow their touch screen to control the android app and that would be pretty cool.

Bad news is that unless someone else can work out a solution the cheaper ELM327 and Kiwi plx connectors won't give you real time oil temp and the cost of the OB-Link is pretty steep if that is all you want it for.

Sorry I can't be of any more help unless some IT geeks have anything else to try. :iono:

Yruyur 01-03-2013 02:00 AM

Anyone have time to do the oil temp reverse engineer procedure in this other thread

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23530


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nzer 01-03-2013 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yruyur (Post 641216)
Anyone have time to do the oil temp reverse engineer procedure in this other thread

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23530


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Seems to me that the watching what PIDs change over time as suggested is likely the only way we'll get to the bottom of it. I don't have the patience or skill to make this a simple job!

Although the PID wiki reports 01 5c as oil temp the guys from DashCommand advised me they have not seen that PID working on any car. So, HKS must be getting it from the correct PID. I haven't contacted them about it as don't think they will (or should) share how they have it working.


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stevo_12v 01-18-2013 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nzer (Post 640848)
@lazyluka and @F1point4 and anyone else interested:
So, looks like my earlier solution with the HKS OB-Link is the only way I can see to get real time oil temp. Cost is approx US$300 for the OB-Link, the carscope app is free, and if you have an android phone that is all you need other than a suction mount for your android phone that you can get cheap from eBay. At this stage the HKS OB-Link is not compatible with iPhone.

For a really nice look you can link to an installed 7" tablet in your dash or suction mount to the screen.

Sorry I can't be of any more help unless some IT geeks have anything else to try. :iono:

Hi,

You can get the HKS for cheaper than that(but not much). One of the vendors here @HKS Australia sells them slightly cheaper than that. Anyone looking for one.. ask for Bruce or Martin and I'm sure they'll fix you up a nice price. They did for me :P

Also have you considered going for an android head unit with your car? I'll be going for that one to use in conjuction with my HKS OB-Link and Blackvue cameras. The HU is around 6-700 shipped(it's also mentioned in my build thread below).

nzer 01-18-2013 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevo_12v (Post 673296)
Hi,

You can get the HKS for cheaper than that(but not much). One of the vendors here @HKS Australia sells them slightly cheaper than that. Anyone looking for one.. ask for Bruce or Martin and I'm sure they'll fix you up a nice price. They did for me :P

Also have you considered going for an android head unit with your car? I'll be going for that one to use in conjuction with my HKS OB-Link and Blackvue cameras. The HU is around 6-700 shipped(it's also mentioned in my build thread below).

Yep, have been considering it or simply the tablet mounted as a head unit running apps for music etc. Meeting up with a guy next week to look at options as I don't have the knowledge/skill to install myself.


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stevo_12v 01-18-2013 04:47 PM

Android HU <-> (CarScope)HKS OB-Link
 
Nice ok. I've heard from another forum member that some android head units won't communicated via BT with the HKS OB-Link..

I don't see how it won't because its an Android App(Carscope) but we'll see. I just gotta wait until I get my BeatSonic 2DIN side covers then I'll get it installed with my BlackVue cameras. Also need to wait till I get my BlackVue Power Magic Pro. I'll keep anyone who's interested with Android HU/HKS OB-link compatability updated here and the other thread.. and of course my build thread ;)

I really hope it works though, as then the HU will look kinda like the LCD monitors in the R34 GT-R's :P Looks all nice and OEM-like
http://www.jbskyline.net/r34/gtr/pic...ure%20(26).jpg
http://image.nengun.com/catalogue/or...version_ii.png


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