Vortech Supercharged Scion FR-S is Mysteriously Powerful: 2012 SEMA Show
 

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Mysteriously powerful???
They are talking about crank HP so 300 hp is around 255WHP
which EVERY other FI kit has achiave with 5psi.

damn dude your always so negative. This is the secound thread I read with you posting nothing useful and just bashing a product.

The guestamate is 300hp. There is so many things we dont know about the kit. Like PSI options.

True, but he has a valid point. We need whp/wtq numbers when deciding on making a big purchase such as forced induction. It's the deciding factor for a lot of people on what kit they go with.

Is that 300hp guess crank or whp?

The reason there are no numbers yet is because they haven't been tuned yet, at least that's what one of my sources that worked on a car with the Vortech told me.

I heard they were street tuned

There's a thread on a different build where the supercharger increased power output to only 200hp and 180lbfts AT THE WHEELS. So, I'd expect the Vortech system with an intercooler to be able to boost hp and tq at least 50-60 at the crank, before requiring other engine mods. What's nice about the supercharger is that it spools quick - so though peak levels might not be as great as a turbo, you get more hp gains under 4k rpms where you usually are running the engine.

Just tell us already, I can't wait any longer!!! lol

The HKS S/C's output was a serious letdown. I really hope they can find more power with it, and I hope Vortech's kit makes even more than that. 280-300bhp is what I would want and I think it's definitely achievable given the power additions I've seen with certain S2000 and Miata kits.

MX-5 (NC) Flyin' Miata S/C kit (Eaton MP62-based):
Originally 166bhp, 140lb/ft
After supercharger: ~280bhp, 240lb/ft

S2000 (AP2) Vortech S/C kit:
Originally 240bhp, 162lb/ft
After supercharger: ~358bhp, 219lb/ft

lol...people have no patience anymore...

They've been teasing us for over two months and we haven't had anything but cropped pictures and speculation.

Now that it's installed on multiple cars and they've surely been dyno tuned, they are STILL holding out on numbers and the cars are now on display at SEMA! Ridiculous!

Those wheels are hideous.

those rims remind me of 1980's snowflakes off a trans am

Maybe the result is unimpressive. That seems like the main reason for holding out. Because one would be quick to boast if the end result is really amazing. Just my speculation. I hope that I am wrong but this is what I believe now. :popcorn:

I can believe these haven't been dyno tuned yet. Getting a kit as clean as this built and ready for SEMA is a tall order. I'm definitely excited to see the results, but two months is nothing when it comes to developing a good FI kit. This one looks very clean in that engine bay. It's a job well done so far.

Doesn't there have to be some kind of tuning/ECU modification for this to work? It seems like there would be pre-ignition if more air gets into the cylinders. In fact, I don't understand how it can make more power at all, maybe someone can explain. The engine is already set up for high compression.

Well, I'm no expert, but I will give you the Mech Eng S.W.A.G.

It should be able to make more power by adding air, but it will lean out the mix and this will be bad for the engine in the long term. This is the same effect seen when adding a new, higher flowing intake. The 86 twins can learn their optimum settings though so it is possible that the ecu could compensate with more fuel. I don't think it will, but maybe. It won't blow itself up like an older car though, it at least has a clue.

In reality it definitely needs a tune, and I think that's why the port injector exists on our cars. DI is hard to tune and the Hugh pressure system is hard to work on, so that extra injection at the port is a blessing. They routinely add a 5th injector on boosted miatas, and I have seen them on older wrxs. At least we don't have to fudge one in the 86, but I do think it will require a tune.

so you would have been happier NOT knowing that they started prototyping two months ago and arent ready for an official release or would you rather have speculation/in progress results so more people can bash them for not having accurate information and the final product not being what was initially announced? :happy0180: not putting words in your mouth, just asking for clarification...and yes those rims are :barf:


(i cant believe i got into one of these conversations...:mad0259:)

I'm perfectly fine with ballpark figures, personally!

ANY info is good with me. I'm actually more interested in the price, which surely they have nailed down by now.

Thanks for info / sharing , cool to see Vortech goods !!

Does it come with the girl? If so, put me down for three! :P

I come from NASIOC, get used to it. I say it like it is, no sugar coating.

Did anyone else notice what's mysterious? The camber plates and strut tower brace listed in the poop sheet aren't there; just the stock pieces.

Oops!

That said, I look forward to reading more specifications regarding the actual supercharger kit.

Yes you have to have to tune the car for forced induction. They're using ECUTek as their tuning solution. You would destroy the engine by boosting without tuning. All I was saying before is they could be using a "get by" street tune at the moment before tuning for power numbers on the dyno. Boosting a high compression engine isn't a problem. In fact you make more power with less boost on such a motor.

i like how a lot are bashing it and it has yet to be officially released to purchase... Not EVERYONE wants to be vin diesel or paul walker with a 1000hp turbo intercooled nos rocket.

I've always wanted a supercharger over a turbo before I could even legally drive. Car nerds are always bashing supercharging in favor of turbos. Its a lot like someone who only eats organic farm raised food bashing someone who love chickfila. Some of us like convenience and chickfila is fukin delicious, lol

That reminds me - in F&F6, I owe Vin a 10 second car... and it's gotta be an FRS.

Turbo's kick out nice power - but until they spool up, there's not much going on. When they hit boost, they can kick hard. Something you don't want mid turn! I'll take a SC for this car for less power gains but more linear delivery, and also lower rpm gains.

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power is nothing without control

This.
I remember when Trial released their version of blitz s/c kit for celica gts and they said it was crazy fast but would not release the numbers. They still did not officially relased the numbers. And if im correct it was whopping 60 hp.

However vortech are known to have good numbers compared to other kits. So will see. Ill be happy with 300.

300 to the wheels pls, pack it up!

Personally I'm not looking for crazy horsepower numbers... would have bought another STi if that was my goal. I respect the effort, but huge horsepower was never my vision for this car, so a "mild" Vortech kit is way more appealing to me than a 400hp *insert flavor* kit.

Those original numbers are crank power.

Those supercharger numbers are whp.

so if you do a guestimate calculations after whp stock. The kit should gain you roughly 150whp. add that to the stock 158ish whp of the FRS/BRZ and you would get about just over 300whp or maybe more or less.

Either way, im happy with the results and cannot wait!

cute booth girl. just sayin

nah ... that's the bonus :D

so seksi, i will def get one of these!

I doubt that a supercharger will get this car anywhere near 300WHP. That's Turbo territory.

I'd be perfectly happy with a super charger kit that put this car somewhere in the 225-240WHP range, which I think is a realistic expectation.

I'm trying to picture what the install kit would consist of. Presumably there is a belt-driven blower (or maybe electric?) and a pully/belt mod if its mechanical. Then the add-on ECU? It doesn't sound too invasive unless there is more.

The big advantage of super over turbo for people in Cali is you don't have to mod the exhaust. While you'll surely fail visual inspection you can find places that will still pass you if you pass sniffer, which you could with a supercharger.

Still, get refereed and you're fucked.

Just confirmed none of the vortech cars are tuned in any way, sorry guys no dyno numbers from SEMA but maybe Perrin will have them soon

its not always about peak power, although it sure does make it easier when it comes to marketing...

each driver has their own unique style, preference, needs, and wants when it come to performance upgrade and i'm glad that Vortech will provide our community with another option

that sig! ahahahha

You aren't going to see dyno numbers from Vortech, not at SEMA at least. They are going to do R&D following SEMA, in which they will be doing tuning to get a base map like AVO has done with their turbo kit.