How's the drive using traffic? Manual tranny only
 

I was stuck in 2 hours of traffic on Friday in my 2010 Gti with a manual tranny. It a great car with an awesome manual transmission, the complete opposing my s2000. I made me think about how bad or good the frs/brz would handle in traffic....

The same as any other manual in traffic..

Oh and please keep the flaming from people who bought the auto transmission to a minimum. You get better gas mileage and don't have to worry about traffic.
Let's leave it at to each their own. PLEASE!

couple things: first off, while i don't have my 86 yet, i do have a 6 speed that i drive every day (delivery driver) so i have to deal with rush hour almost every day. manuals get better milage than auto, actually, because you can better control the rpms. if the twins are like my mini is, then it should be good in heavy traffic. just let the clutch out, let it roll onto it, nice and smooth, not using any throttle (though that depends on the road angle)


edit: i apologize if this seems rambling, been drinking, and will edit this post if i can't understand it when i sober up

the 6speed in the brz isn't a true 6 speed. fyi.

i came from a 2011 sti and driving that in traffic was just annoying. while the clutch wasn't heavy you have to compensate with more throttle on that car, further more that 6-speed in that car has such a huge rpm drop between 1st-2nd that in traffic crawling in 2nd is hard because it bogs.

i was stuck in NYC traffic in the brz, and i crawled in 2nd the entire time with no issues. the clutch is so light that my foot never really got tired.

its not bad compared to other cars that i've driven, especially non-stock clutch modifed cars.

Got to admit, that my Honda's had smoother easier manuals than the FR-S. However, I don't mind driving the manual in traffic. However, I hate driving in traffic period. Actually driving a manual makes it better, because it gives you something physical to do. I suppose if I had the auto, I would just fiddle with the paddles a lot.

What is it?

its a 5 speed box with a 6th overdrive gear essentially. its not a six speed like the STi has is what i'm saying. its the same trans that was in the newer gen LGT

It's a false 6 speed lol

I didn't get that statement either

"overdrive" IS a gear! in 6-speed 5-speed,and 4-speed manual gear boxes,6th,5th,and 4th are overdrive gears respectfully,in ALL manual gear boxes! '"generally",5th,4th,and 3rd gears in respective gear boxes are "direct drive" gears 1 to 1, and ALL gears below those gears are "power" gears,or acceleration gears!

yes but coming from an sti six speed this is by no means the same. i understand its still a gear, but it isn't designed as a performance six speed like the sti thus its not a TRUE performance gearbox.....lets just leave it at that.

Ahhh...so it's a 6 speed...got it.

have to be honest,don't believe i have ever seen a gear box with 6 "power gears!"
generally one of 'em is an "overdrive" gear! and the next lowest is "'direct drive" 1 to 1
just sayin'

The AP1 s2000 had horrible low end torque and and my GTI has great low to mid end power so the two manual trannys have different power bands.

Not always, I had a 4-speed transmission built in the 60's. It had a separate electric overdrive unit that was on the driveshaft behind the transmission. I could deploy it in any gear, but realistically I only used it on 4th. But "overdrive" normally refers to a gear in a transmission that is less than a one-to-one ratio. The FR-S has a true 6-speed transmission, though apparently it was developed from an 8-speed Aisin unit used in Lexi.

I hate traffic

yes this is correct! overdrive IS less than 1 to 1,however are you sure the 6th gear in the brz/frs is NOT an overdrive? i think you'll find it is!

How would you feel if I told you the STI has 2 overdrive gears?

1st 3.636
2nd 2.235
3rd 1.521
4th 1.137
5th 0.971
6th 0.756

Does that make it a 4 speed with 2 overdrive gears? :)

On topic:
I hate traffic, but the FRS is fine for commuting; the clutch is nice and light, first is low enough to inch forward in heavy traffic without throttle input, and second is good down to ~5mph. I really appreciate the light clutch pedal since I used to commute with manual Frontier and before that was a manual F350.

Off Topic:
-I'm really noticing a trend with the former/current Civic owners on this board.
-Overdrive used to be a range box you could add to the tailhousing of your transmission and it had a drive ratio less than 1. Now it is used to refrence any gear with a drive ratio less than 1.
-The twins have a True 6speed
-Jive Turkey might be jive, but he's still a turkey.
-False gears are more closely associated with Automatics. Some auto manufactures will use a TCU (transmission control unit) to control the lockup of a torque converter to create the sense of an extra gear.
-When comparing Transmission gearing it is also important to look at the axle ratios, where an STi is 3.90 the BRZ/FRS is 4.10

Driving BRZ as my DD, 30 minute drive turned to 45-55 based on traffic, rolling traffic out of the city, rolling traffic into the city. The car is so light and nimble there is no effort in moving it along just by letting the clutch in/out as noted above.

When I decided to get a FR-S, an automatic was available immediately & the 6 speed was about 6 weeks out (I later got the 6 speed in a week). My girl friend accused me of being a wimp for even considering an auto. I waited - got a 6 speed - love it - and her. However, I told her that I would curse her a** the first time I was stuck in NYC rush hour traffic. Hasn't happened yet - we'll see.

Not to derail the thread (this is probably good discussion for another thread, and maybe already is),
but I found this article specifically talking about the FR-S/BRZ transmissions and where they came from.
Just because there was some discussion about it.
He calls it an "...AZ6-derived TL70 manual..."
Hopefully the info there is factual.

http://kaizenfactor.wordpress.com/20...n-or-is-scion/

Okay, carry on :D

Both are good if you want to save more has get the auto it's that simple

Get whatever makes you feel better and don't get influence by others. The end of the car it's sexy on the outside I don't care if you have auto, grandma or naked men inside its still a sexy ride.


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I say it's great in traffic IF you do the 2 min clutch pedal adjustment so you're not 2 feet off the floor to engage. I have it flat with the brake pedal and it's PERFECT. But stock my knee was almost in my chest. I also had no problem with my 2002 jetta manual in traffic (1.8T)

With enough torque, any gear can be a "power gear". :burnrubber:

LOL WINNING!!

yes! this is essentially correct,because some cars (muscle cars) for example,CAN "pull a dead horse" in just about any gear,however for the sake of ''clarity",i am referring to the "gear" ratios of 5th,and 6th gears.these gears,
"generally" are NOT considered power gears, because of the "ratios" BUT as you mention,and i agree,if a car has enough torque,then you STILL can ACCELERATE strongly,WITHOUT "lugging" the engine in 5th ,or 6th,however ya do have to have a "ton" of torque to accomplish that, again,"without" bogginig the motor! cars that come to mind are corvettes,camaros, mustangs,cobras,and mopar products! ie: chargers,and challengers. massive v-8's all

Turns out, it even works for a Subaru flat-4 with 600wtq. :)

interesting,and very possible if enough torque is present!

I've placed my order already for a manual tranny, as I feel everyone should have gotten manual with this type of car. But to each their own! haha :burnrubber:

Hhahaa I'm no dictator, everyone should just be happy with what they get but sometimes I think why not have everyone in this forum give me $100 but that's just not going to happen.

You could pitch something along the lines that by us giving you $100, it would make us happier! Just like the Simpsons episode when Homer got an autodialer and called up everyone in Springfield, Homer called himself Happy Dude - http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/AT-5000_Auto-dialer
"... Homer took it out of the dumpster and used it in a money scam. He eventually used it to annoy everybody in Springfield with his "Happy Dude" scam...In the closing credits, however, Homer has recorded a new message on the Auto-dialer telling everyone he scammed he is sorry and that if they can forgive him, send more money."

haha hilarious episode!

This is utter nonsense. Have you ever seen ANY Subaru transmission? They bear ZERO resemblance to 86's Aisin made unit. Subaru's transmission are made in house or by a contractor to Subaru's specific design, the basics of which have been around for ages. They have halfshafts coming out of the sides of the case near the bellhousing, and an internal center and internal front differential, all for the AWD. What, do you think they removed all of that and plugged up the holes, leaving a huge empty space inside the case? Geesh. Stop spreading misinformation.

The transmission in the 86 is most closely related to the Aisin units in the s2000, RX-8, and the IS250, but even then it only shares at maximum 20% of it's parts with any of these. In turn, these transmissions share ZERO parts with the Legacy and/or STi or WRX transmissions. It's a dedicated, rear wheel drive transmission lacking the entire AWD system that's built into and designed around in the Subaru transmissions. Heck, even the shift linkage is COMPLETELY different.

Cheers
Nathan