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cnk 09-24-2012 01:51 PM

Winter setup
 
Seeing as how the temps have really dropped off this week I'm wondering what everyone plans on doing for their winter rim/tire setup. Personally, I'm debating between getting some 16" steelies and winter tires or spending a little more for some Rota or Motegi rims and winter tires just for aesthetics.

HunterGreene 09-24-2012 01:58 PM

:search:

Check to make sure the brakes will fit inside a 16" rim first. Plenty of opinions have already been given on the forum. Just peel back a few layers ;)

engee 09-24-2012 02:07 PM

16's will fit fine. I will be running 16x7 +50 with Blizzak ws-60's.

cnk 09-24-2012 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterGreene (Post 457350)
:search:

Check to make sure the brakes will fit inside a 16" rim first. Plenty of opinions have already been given on the forum. Just peel back a few layers ;)

Thanks Mr. Search nazi. I already did search and did not find what I was looking for. To quantify this for your imperial regulations, I searched the entire forum using the search word "winter" and have read every post. As with any other forum, if you don't want to post anything constructive, ignore it and move on.

16" steelies will fit. I'm not asking about fitment, I'm asking what others plan on doing now that it's getting closer to winter.

Craig 09-24-2012 02:36 PM

Driving my jeep :)

HunterGreene 09-24-2012 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cnk (Post 457406)
Thanks Mr. Search nazi. I already did search and did not find what I was looking for. To quantify this for your imperial regulations, I searched the entire forum using the search word "winter" and have read every post. As with any other forum, if you don't want to post anything constructive, ignore it and move on.

16" steelies will fit. I'm not asking about fitment, I'm asking what others plan on doing now that it's getting closer to winter.

No reason to get nasty, or even go with the "nazi" moniker. I'm sorry I wasn't able to read your mind and know that you had searched already. In that thread, I'm Jewish, and I take offense to your use of the nazi insult (which, frankly, is ironic, given the circumstance). Killing 10 million people and trying to get people to stop being lazy and do some forum searching are hardly equal.

Maybe I am getting into troll territory here, but frankly, my point still stands:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ghlight=Winter (this one was just made, and I had the same reaction to it)

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ghlight=Winter

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ghlight=Winter

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ghlight=Winter (this one even has an answer for your 16 inch question)

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ghlight=Winter

And the list goes on. I searched the word "Winter" as well and I got 40 threads, 16-17 of them just about rims or tires, and the rest suggesting driving styles, habits, or setting the car up. If I am that insistent on using the :search:, its for a reason.

cnk 09-24-2012 02:58 PM

OK, let's start over. I asked a question about what folks in this specific regional forum are planning on doing. If you don't have anything constructive to add, please move on. To be honest, not sure why someone from OH is posting in a regional forum for NJ/NY/PA/CT.

I'm sorry if you were offended by the "search nazi" moniker, but if you're not a stranger to forums you should be very familiar with that term and that it is not meant to insult. If you don't have anything else to contribute that specifically answers my question, i.e. what are you going to run this winter, then just move on.

HunterGreene 09-24-2012 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cnk (Post 457493)
OK, let's start over. I asked a question about what folks in this specific regional forum are planning on doing. If you don't have anything constructive to add, please move on. To be honest, not sure why someone from OH is posting in a regional forum for NJ/NY/PA/CT.

I'm sorry if you were offended by the "search nazi" moniker, but if you're not a stranger to forums you should be very familiar with that term and that it is not meant to insult. If you don't have anything else to contribute that specifically answers my question, i.e. what are you going to run this winter, then just move on.

Fair enough. My point was made, though I do consider "Nazi" to be overused anyways...but that's besides the point. And, frankly, with the Atlantic region being so large, you guys are going to see a wide variety of conditions, some of which are similar to the northern Ohio area I am from (ask anyone from Buffalo, Lake Effect snow is a bitch).

I, for one, will be running my old tC rims (same bolt pattern, 17") with the Continental winter tires that I have used for the past 3 seasons. I may consider adding weight to the back, depending on how tail-happy the FR-S is.

cnk 09-24-2012 03:14 PM

Thanks Hunter. I wasn't even aware that the tC rims would fit. I've been trying to find someone with WRX or stock rims that they didn't want anymore but I can definitely expand my search now. I know steelies will be the cheapest route to go, but I just don't know if I can roll with them as they just look so ugly.

engee 09-24-2012 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cnk (Post 457539)
Thanks Hunter. I wasn't even aware that the tC rims would fit. I've been trying to find someone with WRX or stock rims that they didn't want anymore but I can definitely expand my search now. I know steelies will be the cheapest route to go, but I just don't know if I can roll with them as they just look so ugly.

Any 5x100 wheel will fit. Try and keep the offset close to the stock, +48, and you will be good to go.

If you decide to run 16's, be sure to adjust the tire size to compensate for the smaller diameter wheel. 205/55 R16 should work perfectly.

Like I said before, I will be running my old set of wheels from a previous car. They are a cheap pair of wheels off tirerack and I'm running WS- 60's.

Here is a good link to help you sort out what will and will not fit.
http://www.rimsntires.com/specs.jsp

Stock sizes for BRZ:
Size: 17x7
Offset: +48
Tire: 215/45

That should help widen your selection process as well.

Hope that helps.

cnk 09-24-2012 04:04 PM

Thanks Engee. I was aware of the 5x100 bolt pattern. Just did not know that the tC used the same bolt pattern and would fit with the right offset.

CBR600RR 09-24-2012 04:15 PM

I have Enkei 16x7 with toyo 215/55/16

Foobar 09-24-2012 04:49 PM

Putting Michelin Primacy Alpin PA3's on my stock rims, keeping the stock size of 215/45R17.

Come Spring, I'll be looking for a lightweight set of 17x8 rims and putting 245/40R17 summers on em.

HunterGreene 09-24-2012 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by engee (Post 457606)
Any 5x100 wheel will fit. Try and keep the offset close to the stock, +48, and you will be good to go.

If you decide to run 16's, be sure to adjust the tire size to compensate for the smaller diameter wheel. 205/55 R16 should work perfectly.

Like I said before, I will be running my old set of wheels from a previous car. They are a cheap pair of wheels off tirerack and I'm running WS- 60's.

Here is a good link to help you sort out what will and will not fit.
http://www.rimsntires.com/specs.jsp

Stock sizes for BRZ:
Size: 17x7
Offset: +48
Tire: 215/45

That should help widen your selection process as well.

Hope that helps.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cnk (Post 457642)
Thanks Engee. I was aware of the 5x100 bolt pattern. Just did not know that the tC used the same bolt pattern and would fit with the right offset.

Ok, now I am worried, the offset for the tC wheel is +45, which is fairly close to the +48 of the FR-S. Anyone wanna chime in if the 3 mm will make a difference?

hyper4mance 09-24-2012 05:32 PM

3 mm difference will fit fine. If you start going into low 30's offset then there may be an issue. I assumed they were 16's or 17's. The tire width is more of a factor - 55 or higher could be an issue.

Shagaliscious 09-24-2012 06:03 PM

I will be getting some Bridgestone Blizzaks (probably going with the LM-60s) for the stock wheels.

I was going to get a set of winter wheels, but I decided to keep the stock wheels for my winter set, and get a new set of wheels in the spring.

cnk 09-24-2012 06:06 PM

I had thought about going that route as well, but I just really hate wasting new tires. Not sure if there's a market for them though. If I put them on new aftermarket rims, I'm stuck with 17" rims. I do have a set of SSR Comps from my WRX, but they already have some nice Falken Azenis on them.

HunterGreene 09-24-2012 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyper4mance (Post 457790)
3 mm difference will fit fine. If you start going into low 30's offset then there may be an issue. I assumed they were 16's or 17's. The tire width is more of a factor - 55 or higher could be an issue.

Tire size is exactly the same as the FR-S. I've checked. :thumbup:

Shagaliscious 09-24-2012 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cnk (Post 457844)
I had thought about going that route as well, but I just really hate wasting new tires. Not sure if there's a market for them though. If I put them on new aftermarket rims, I'm stuck with 17" rims. I do have a set of SSR Comps from my WRX, but they already have some nice Falken Azenis on them.

My tires won't be wasted:D

engee 09-24-2012 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterGreene (Post 457730)
Ok, now I am worried, the offset for the tC wheel is +45, which is fairly close to the +48 of the FR-S. Anyone wanna chime in if the 3 mm will make a difference?

Per Perrin's data, 3mm is fine. See quote below and link as well.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...29&postcount=1

Quote:

Originally Posted by PERRIN_Jeff (Post 225129)
[URL="http://www.ft86club.com"]As I mentioned, we all want to toss the Prius tires for something wider and stickier. The question is, how wide can we go? As expect with a RWD car, there is more room in the rear compared to the front. The car comes with 17"x7" wheels with a 48mm offset and 215mm wide tires.

Starting with the front there is enough room to push the wheel about 10mm out toward the fender with no issues clearing anything. 15mm starts to push it close to the fender where it may rub. Going from the rim to the inside of the car, the strut is going to be the limiting factor here. There is about 12-14mm of extra room to move the wheel toward the inside. With this you can guess that an 8" wide wheel will easily work in the front. The next thing is offset. We tested a 48mm offset wheel that was 8" wide and it was very close to teh strut. While this works, it still leaves the wheel pushed to the inside of car just a bit. A 40-42mm offset 8" wide wheel would be perfect for the front of the car. If you go with an 8" or even an 8.5" front wheel, a 245 wide tire should fit no problem. The only thing is wider may start to take away some of that lovely steering feel. Also going with a smaller offset wheel (pushing it to the outside more) could effect some of the feel as you are moving the centerline of the tire out as well.

The rear is a different story. From the wheel to the fender, there is a good 16mm of safe room. On the inside, there is about 35mm of safe room. This means a 10" wide wheel would easily fit. I think with the right offset, you could go to 11" wide wheels enabling 305 wide tires to fit. Again, this may start to ruin the car performance creating an imbalance front to rear. At least until we start to add some big power, this could be the case.

For now, until we add some big power, going with the same front and rear wheels may be the best option. Then again, that staggered look would be really cool. For me, I don't want to ruin the fun factor of this car, so pushing the wheel and tire size to the limit isn't what I plan to do.....yet.


AZP Installs 09-25-2012 06:59 AM

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NYC BRZ 09-25-2012 07:31 AM

I've got a guy locally with WRX 16s for sale. I might pick them up.

mezdup 09-25-2012 08:03 AM

I think I'm gonna be going with General Altimax Arctic on my stock wheels. They seem to have less wear than the Blizzak WS70s I was looking at. Little cheaper too and reviews still seem good.

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HunterGreene 09-25-2012 09:45 AM

^ Everyone gushes over Blizzaks, but its like putting a tux on for a Business meeting 90% of the time. You'll look good, but you only need the shirt and khakis. I have ContiWinterContact (one of Continental's base brands that do come in 215/45R17), and have zero complaints with them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by engee (Post 458387)
Per Perrin's data, 3mm is fine. See quote below and link as well.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...29&postcount=1

Great information, Thank you! I can rest easier now. :respekt:

Foobar 09-25-2012 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZP Installs (Post 458963)
We will likely be announcing a winter tire sale starting nov1. Stay tuned!

-Mike Paisan

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What'd you have in mind, Mike? Tires + Wheels package, just Tires, any particular brands?

Surprised you're doing a sale in November, don't get me wrong - that's fantastic, but I always thought it was cheaper to get the winters during the off-season.

Jayde 09-25-2012 11:26 AM

I'll be putting my fully clear bra (Hood, bumper, lights, fenders, mirros, a-pillars, half roof, rear bumper top, rocker panels, and door cups) on my BRZ. Hell I might as well just cover the whole damn car in it lol. Gotta protect that paint from salt and whatnot. I'm also going to avoid driving when the road has salt on it after a storm. Good thing I have 2 weeks vacation time to burn for this.

I'll also be picking up a set of Rally Armor mud flaps to protect the sides and bottom of the car from debris being knocked up. Depending on how they look come spring, I may leave them on.

As for tires and wheels, I haven't decided yet. I may get a set of 17in snow tires and get a different set of wheels come spring, or pick up a set of 16in steelies and 55 width snow tires. Opinions?

cnk 09-25-2012 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZP Installs (Post 458963)
We will likely be announcing a winter tire sale starting nov1. Stay tuned!

-Mike Paisan

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Any chance of a rim/tire combo sale? Maybe some Rotas?

Jayde 09-25-2012 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZP Installs (Post 458963)
We will likely be announcing a winter tire sale starting nov1. Stay tuned!

-Mike Paisan

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Might be a little too late for me but I'll keep this in mind. What did you have in mind?

Ayaz2589 09-26-2012 12:11 AM

if temp really starts to drop and snow is around the corner, waxing my car cleaning it up and putting her in the garage lol.

AZP Installs 09-26-2012 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foobar (Post 459071)
What'd you have in mind, Mike? Tires + Wheels package, just Tires, any particular brands?

Surprised you're doing a sale in November, don't get me wrong - that's fantastic, but I always thought it was cheaper to get the winters during the off-season.

Tires, wheels etc. We will be acquiring a tire mounting and balancing setup shortly, so we plan to kick it off with a snow tire/rim sale. Since we are a Tirerack Reseller we can get some decent prices on tires etc.

-Mike Paisan

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AZP Installs 09-26-2012 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayde (Post 459222)
I'll be putting my fully clear bra (Hood, bumper, lights, fenders, mirros, a-pillars, half roof, rear bumper top, rocker panels, and door cups) on my BRZ. Hell I might as well just cover the whole damn car in it lol. Gotta protect that paint from salt and whatnot. I'm also going to avoid driving when the road has salt on it after a storm. Good thing I have 2 weeks vacation time to burn for this.

I'll also be picking up a set of Rally Armor mud flaps to protect the sides and bottom of the car from debris being knocked up. Depending on how they look come spring, I may leave them on.

As for tires and wheels, I haven't decided yet. I may get a set of 17in snow tires and get a different set of wheels come spring, or pick up a set of 16in steelies and 55 width snow tires. Opinions?

We have the rally armor mud flaps available now, so don't forget us.

-Mike Paisan

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tc200 09-27-2012 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterGreene (Post 457730)
Ok, now I am worried, the offset for the tC wheel is +45, which is fairly close to the +48 of the FR-S. Anyone wanna chime in if the 3 mm will make a difference?

I just bought a set of TC rims to use on my frs this winter, because i got a killer deal on CL. I took the gamble cause I'm fairly sure the offset will not be an issue, same size wheel, same size tire BUT the TC wheel uses mag style lug nuts. I didnt notice till I got home and am kicking myself, So I will report back but it my understanding that if the wheel is not hub centric it won't work, to top it off the TC lug nuts are 12-1.5 and frs is 12-1.25 so to test it I need to buy new lugs.

HunterGreene 09-27-2012 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tc200 (Post 463374)
I just bought a set of TC rims to use on my frs this winter, because i got a killer deal on CL. I took the gamble cause I'm fairly sure the offset will not be an issue, same size wheel, same size tire BUT the TC wheel uses mag style lug nuts. I didnt notice till I got home and am kicking myself, So I will report back but it my understanding that if the wheel is not hub centric it won't work, to top it off the TC lug nuts are 12-1.5 and frs is 12-1.25 so to test it I need to buy new lugs.

According to posts above, the wheel should work. Good catch on the Lugs. I still have a full set of the tC lugs--you think that will work?

tc200 09-27-2012 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterGreene (Post 463609)
According to posts above, the wheel should work. Good catch on the Lugs. I still have a full set of the tC lugs--you think that will work?

TC lugs are the wrong pitch (1.5 vs 1.25) so they won't work. Looks like mine will be back up for sale, from what I've read the tc wheel has a 54.1mm bore while the frs has a 56mm hub, and I'm no sure machining them out 2mm is cost effective. Can't measure till I get home later tonight but ill report back once I do.

HunterGreene 09-27-2012 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tc200 (Post 463918)
TC lugs are the wrong pitch (1.5 vs 1.25) so they won't work. Looks like mine will be back up for sale, from what I've read the tc wheel has a 54.1mm bore while the frs has a 56mm hub, and I'm no sure machining them out 2mm is cost effective. Can't measure till I get home later tonight but ill report back once I do.

Ok, just making sure here--the tC lugs in the Tc wheels on the FR-S have the wrong pitch? You referring to the spacing between the threads on the bolt?

And anyone else know about this? Winter seems to be suddenly becoming much more annoying for me...:(

tc200 09-27-2012 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterGreene (Post 463958)
Ok, just making sure here--the tC lugs in the Tc wheels on the FR-S have the wrong pitch? You referring to the spacing between the threads on the bolt?

And anyone else know about this? Winter seems to be suddenly becoming much more annoying for me...:(

Yes exactly, the pitch of the studs on the fr-s is 1.25 (threads are close together) where the threads on the inside of the TC lug nuts are 1.5 (threads further apart).

Just got a chance to measure the bores and tried to test fit, they will not work, as stated before the wheels have a small 54.1mm bore which won't fit over the 56mm FR-S hub. I'm sure they could be machined out but its not worth the hassle for me and they were cheap enough so I should be able to actually make some money off of it. Damn shame too cause they look really nice.

Anyone in the NJ area want some cheap TC wheels? haha

Mike - I'll be watching out for your sale! And I'm local!

HunterGreene 09-28-2012 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tc200 (Post 464573)
Yes exactly, the pitch of the studs on the fr-s is 1.25 (threads are close together) where the threads on the inside of the TC lug nuts are 1.5 (threads further apart).

Just got a chance to measure the bores and tried to test fit, they will not work, as stated before the wheels have a small 54.1mm bore which won't fit over the 56mm FR-S hub. I'm sure they could be machined out but its not worth the hassle for me and they were cheap enough so I should be able to actually make some money off of it. Damn shame too cause they look really nice.

Anyone in the NJ area want some cheap TC wheels? haha

Mike - I'll be watching out for your sale! And I'm local!

Now I'm just disappointed, Damn! At least the tires will still fit, now to find some steelies... :(

mezdup 10-12-2012 07:55 PM

starting to get pretty chilly. when are you guys planning to swap tires?

Jayde 10-12-2012 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mezdup (Post 493705)
starting to get pretty chilly. when are you guys planning to swap tires?

As soon as I stop being lazy and order them! :)

HunterGreene 10-15-2012 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mezdup (Post 493705)
starting to get pretty chilly. when are you guys planning to swap tires?

The convention, at least up here in the midwest, is to have them on by Thanksgiving and take them off after St. Patrick's day, though I usually have left mine on into April, depending on the weather.

The trick is that you don't want to be driving on snows that much in warmer temperatures, because the rubber is softer than your stockies/summer tires and will wear out more quickly.


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