FT II concept wheels and hub speculation
 

Ok so i measured the wheel PCD on the FT-86 II concept and to my amazement it came out perfectly to 5x100.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...8&d=1315926986

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...2&d=1315926986

so why is this relevant? because it has production implications. this concept has one off wheels. they could've used whatever they wanted, but they used a 5x100 hub. hmmm... its also not the same hub as the BRZ because that hub has the calipers behind the axle. the BRZ most likely uses an off the shelf WRX hub in the display. the FT II does not because the caliper is in front of the axle.

what else has the caliper in front of the axle? the car in the spy pics. also interesting is the fact that the caliper is canted slightly. it doesnt sit exactly in the 3 o'clock position. its like between 2 and 3 o'clock. and this goes for both the concept AND the spy car. hmmm....

what does all of this mean? most likely, the FT II concept is using a close to production hub, with 5x100 PCD. this isnt new as the earliest spy cars wore the forester sti wheels which are 5x100. wheel choices are going to SUCK compared to 5x114.3... the good news? those brembos look quite unique and may possibly be production spec. perhaps as an option as the spy car doesnt have brembos...

I thought it was known/long assumed that it'd be crap 5x100? I'd also rather have 5x114.3 so I could share track wheels...

I hate 5x100 wheels! :(

Thank god my CE28s are 5x100 and 5x114!

yes. that wasnt the main point. the main point was that the concept also wears 5x100 wheels even though as a one off wheel, they could've used anything. so its possible that the concept is using production spec hubs. and whats bolted on to those hubs? the brembos. they use unique looking calipers, regular non drilled/slotted rotors, production sized rotors, and the caliper position matches the spy pics. we may be looking at production spec stuff here. they changed from the advics calipers to the brembos. why? if its a concept, never to see production, why change it at all? and never has any PR guy spoke about the change. only us enthusiasts noticed. so perhaps they changed from concept hubs to production hubs along the way... i really hope those brembos make it to production...

Changing calipers is simple. Brembo makes tons of spec 4 pot calipers. Either make a bracket or just use spacers (or even nothing if it matches) and it would bolt on. Doesn't mean it'll make it to production. Most concepts have such brakes in the stock location that never make it to the production line.

Multiple piston calipers absolutely have advantages, but single pistons do the job just fine.

Actually I noticed something else from the pics, It has Bridgestone Potenza "RE86" Tires which doesn't even exist! :bellyroll:

Is toyota working with them to design one for 86? :popcorn:

yes, but isnt it interesting that they made the effort to change it when they didnt have to? and those front calipers, i've never seen a brembo caliper that looks like that... interesting to me...

The RE86 was the first thing I noticed on Tuesday as the pictures were just coming in. I too looked them up because I had a feeling they were one-off.

It just means Tada-san wasn't kidding about "picking the perfect tire." :bellyroll:

FYI, that MkII is just a shell. Nothing inside or under the hood.

In Nur they used 5x100 is cuz of wheel spec was limited. iirc PCD114.3 for that wheel spec was 18x8

So to judge right now won't be the right answer for production ver

It kinda makes sense to use this PCD as they can re-use lots of the Impreza/Legacy/Celica parts. Subaru use 5x100 on the Impreza/Legacy. Also Toyota use 5x100 on the Celica (Gen 4-7).

There is plenty of choice for aftermarket wheels available in this PCD - almost as many as 5x114.3.

To change to different ones on the mule? Many many concepts do that.

I doubt those are even functional calipers (no bleeder for that side), which is one reason they look unique.. no fittings are attached :) not to say that they CAN'T be functional, but they aren't on the shell.

If it does come with 5x100 i just hope to god that the wheel bearings aren't as shitty as the crap Subaru offers for their impreza's with 5x100. STI 5x114.5 wheel bearings were beefy and gave me better piece of mind especially when selecting wheels.

Having shitty wheel bearings, 5x100 bolt pattern, and a super low offset wheel is a formula for disaster.

no, not the mule. from the ADVICS on the earlier FT II to the brembo. why even change it? both are concepts just for show. its weird. the optimistic side of me says they just wanted to tease that the car may come with brembos? :iono:

Cuz Brembos are more realistic than ADVICS. I would say it might come as an option (like other FR cars)

I'm hoping it's 5x100 so I can share wheels with my WRX. If I'm lucky my 4pot brakes will swap over as well :)

5x114.5 pleaseeee. :>

fixed ;)

My quick button clicking fingers miss clicked. :P Thank you Ichi! haha

Yes. 5x114.3 would be nice. It was such a pain finding wheels I liked for my WRX since they're all 5x100. Finally settled for 04 STI rims and they had a huge 5x100 markup.

Finding good looking rims in good offsets for 5x100 sucks!
Please be a 5x114.3 hub when it gets to production!

I don't care. I want Advan TC III. I hope they'll be availalbe for the TOYOBARU specially also for fitting 245 or 255 tires all round.

for me it's actually not important if 5x100 oder 5x114 - i`ll drive stock wheels :thumbup:

Well, for the power it produces, and will be modded to produce 5x100 is FINE!
The Celica GT-Four had 5x100 and cound run 600 Bhp + on them with no problems..... PLUS There WILL be a weight difference, and why have heavier when lighter is perfectly fine!

There are loads of 5x100 fitment cars out there, open your eyes - some models from
VW/Audi/Seat/Skoda
Toyota
Subaru
Chrysler
and a few Hondas

If its a decent wheel/tyre place they will order the size you need, the manufacturers DO make them!
OZ Racing make the ones for my old Celica GT-Four - Superleggeras, they were EPIC!!

iirc wasn't tC has PCD100?

I want ROTA wheels on mine :thumbsup:

trollface.jpg :bellyroll:

But seriously, I'll be on a budget lol Rotas are just fine for me.

2011's switched to 5x114.3...

Thanks for the info :happy0180:

Gonna be stupid hard to shop for wheels if its 5x100.

Most of the popular tuner cars are 5x114

That's not fully true.
Tenzo DC
Enkei RPF1
Volks GT C & V
Volks RE30
Volks TE37
5Zigen GN+
BBS RS-GT
Work Emotion 11R
Work Emotion XD9 (iirc)
Gram Lights 57 MP
SSR Pro MS1
SSR Pro SP1 (iirc)
SSR Type F
Weds Sport SA
Work XSA

Those are the some of the lists I just know top of my head... you still gonna say PCD100 is hard to shop?

Ya you can get em brand new. But honestly. How many ppl go out there and drop $4000 on Volks or new SSRs when they are gonna change em up a year later.

Im talking about purchasing wheels used. Skip the wait time and you save a good bit of $$ for other stuff.

As I said earlier this wont bother me as my CE28s are both 5x100 and 5x114 but when I do decide to change my wheels up I kno its a gonna be a pain in the ass to shop for wheels.

getting wheels isn't a issue for bolt pattern 5x100. Every maker has a design set for 5x100. The problem is you will never find a 5x100 wheel with like 18x11.5 with close to 0 offset. 5x100 widebody offsets are almost non-existent. or 5x100 with 3inch of 5inch dish. Concaved wheel designs aren't widely available for 5x100. Id love myself a concaved set of Volk TE37 Super Dish Low offset. But they are only available in 5x114. Or Deep Dish Work Meisters.

but honestly, i can overlook all that if the car will come with wheel bearings that arn't shit and designed for FWD econoboxes.

Some recent toyotas are 5x100, most subarus are 5x100 . . . makes sense. However, I hope a conversion to 5x114.3 is available. Or that Toyoda realizes that being a tuner car it should have tuners' favorite bolt pattern.

Hm... maybe I've been in Subie forum/world too long. I seen some ppl have those setups, so in my brain it not rare... but maybe you're right. It might be rare, IDK :iono:

Why the hell do you want 0 offset?

You want to keep the offset as close to stock as possible for the suspension geometry to work correctly!

I'm concerned that people buy wheels for aesthetic looks, and not for how they allow the suspension geometry to do its job properly..... This can be DANGEROUS, and so can lowering it too much, as this messes up the geometry and roll centres etc..

People should learn about cars, before they are allowed to modify anything!

Calm down there buddy. Guess you've never heard of Stance Nation or Canibeat? :o

exactly rL-gT, not to mention bosozoku, or VIP, etc..

How many widebody 240sx or widebody RX7s, or widebody Supras do you see that run stock offsets?

Do you think hot rodders or hydraulic guys dont know anything about cars when they install hydraulics or airbags and slam the shit out of their cars?

What about SuperGT racecars? Do you think those wheels have close to stock suspension geometry with their sometimes negative offset wheels?

Andy the fact of the matter there are several different car cultures that have different tastes and different forms of functionality. There is no reason to get angry, because in the context of enthusiasts around the world, your logic does not always have a place.

There is always going to be a situation where those kinds of things are needed.

Not sure if you're agreeing with Andy or disagreeing with him. Every one of those cars has gigantic wheels with ridiculous offsets entirely for the aesthetics of it. Just like he said...

...which is true. My only disagreement is it's their money and they can do whatever they want. Personally I think they look ridiculous, but to each his/her own.

I personally could never run stock offsets.

If I didnt have my IS300 rims to slap onto my FR-S then I would run spacers as soon as I got the vehicle.

Even now for winter Im gonna be running spacers on my stock wheels just to keep the wheels flush to the body.

On a side note. I dont think ill ever go back to running crazy camber and "poked" wheels. If I do run that set up with the FR-S, Ill def have a set of RPF1s w/ slicks for track wheels.

And I was disagreeing with Andy :P

StanceNation..

HELLAFLUSH.


Lol just a couple examples...


(Off-topic) Aside from that.. what other inexpensive Rims are there... Ex. Enkei... Lol