BBK
 

Hi guys,

Does anyone have any suggestions and pricing on BBKs?

I have heard AP Racing is the best, but the StopTech kit is like $900 cheaper. Any thoughts? Brembo is just ridiculously overpriced.

Secondly, where can you buy in Australia?

Cheers

go second hand brembos from the STI's on ebay... alternatively there's talk of WRX brakes fitting too...

whats your intended usage of them?? Pose or track?

As an FYI BBK's generally will negatively impact braking in normal road conditions dependent upon the type of pad you have in them as the hi-po brake pads dont function as well whilst the brakes are cool.. thus if you have to emergency stop after you've just gotten into the car or after you havent had to brake for quite a while (think freeway) you may find you have very little in the way of brakes.

Out of the grouping of AP Racing, Brembo, StopTech, usually StopTech is the best priced out of the three, very close to AP Racing at times. Of course most of these kits are still in R&D fazes so usually in this instance, pricing doesn't necessarily mean it has been confirmed. Regardless though, If you need more info I can look it up for you if you want to send me a PM :)

And yes, we ship internationally :)

Hey man,

This is super interesting what you just said! I have no interest whatsoever in track or racing, just purely for aesthetics. So you reckon this could be a detriment?

I would be looking at 2nd Hand STI stuff then. Rumour has it the base of the 86 is actually the hatch/ sedan Imperza. So the STI stuff should bolt on. I have also seen pervious Gen WRX 4 Pots on an 86 as well.

Bare in mind you may need new wheels to clear the brakes. Which I'm sure your doing any way but just make sure the wheels your going for clears them :)

Just like Ran94a mentioned be very selective on your brake pads make sure they are more street based then track based especially since your not really using it as a hardcore track car.

I'd rate AP and Alcon as the best you can buy. But they're more race setups than street. The hooked patterns do look cool. If you want something that looks good you could use DBA's new drilled and slotted rotors and STI brembos. I'll be doing Wilwood kits locally soon, which should be cheaper than any other kit out there.

In terms of using race brakes on the street, it all comes down to pad choice. You just need something that works well when cold. There's lots of choice out there for pads.

Yea mate, there's a lot of smoke and mirrors out there about the benefits of doing X,Y,Z but in reality that's vendors trying to get your $'s off you.

Things like Ceramic brake pads are great and will stop you much quicker and with less fade PROVIDED you can keep them at the appropriate operating temperate. (IE you see V8 Supercars with glowing rotors)

Another thing you will need to consider and i dont have enough technical knowledge in this area is how this may impact ABS... i've seen some very indepth discussion as to the impact BBK may have on ABS systems as some are saying that the ABS is calibrated so it knows the diameter/brakeforce of the hardware stopping the car.

How much of this is fact vs opinion i dont know, but i would be investigating heavily before i fiddled with the things that stopped me ploughing into things.

My 2C if you're only doing it for looks, go with slotted/drilled rotors and paint your calipers whichever colour you want.

Much cheaper and looks the goods.

http://stoptech.com/technical-suppor...big-brake-kits

TL : DR

but essentially it backs up exactly what i've just said... if the BBK is not engineered according to the car's specifications your electronic safety systems will not work correctly.

also think about caliper weight, added disc weight, added rotational mass, unsprung mass etc.

His doing for asthestics those things won't matter :)

Just get the big caliper covers for the stock brakes if you just want the looks.

For aesthetics - calliper covers
http://www.calipercovers.com/_e/dept...Scion_FR_S.htm

Assume no need to change wheels etc but you'd want to check.

Definitely go with @nzer 's site.

lower cost... tough look, doesnt screw your electronic safety systems.

and like i said.. add that to some slotted/drilled rotors like:
http://www.dba.com.au/products/stree...rmance/x-gold/

and the right kind of brake pads (possibly TRD, but there are many other quality brands.)
You may actually find you have a street set up which looks/performs much better than a BBK for a fraction of the price.

or if you want big brakes.. just put a bigger disc on there and space the caliper out with a dogbone bracket.

Toyota NZ advise the TRD Brembo Brake Kit comes with Ferodo FM1000 street pads.

And from google they sound like a pretty good all round pad - "These are the standard Brembo street pads used for the Monobloc M caliper, made by Ferodo. These are an excellent street pad with many positive attributes for daily driving - low noise, excellent initial bite and modulation. Their only downside is the price and they can be more dusty than a Hawk HPS. This is the standard pad that Brembo equips for the M caliper when new."

Super helpful!! Thank you

why would the TRD kit not use TRD pads...? Seems crazy

http://www.nengun.com/trd/black-series-brake-pads

MRT Australia can do the STI Brembo swaps for 2.5k will all new hardware. Capliers, Disks, Lines, Pads...

Also, as seen in Motor Magazine, they are running Alcon stuff with good results..

wait... so i can drive into MRT with my 86.. pay 2.5K and then i have brand new front and rear brembos?

i assume i cant use stock wheels, but i can use a stock STI wheel? like a 18x7.5 +48?

Very interested in this. I thought about buying some nice 6 pot Wilwood calipers and get some custom made caliper mounts, but if you will be doing a kit, that will be much better. Saves me all the hassle.

I don't think the rear STI brembos fit our car?

I think the rears need to be off a peanut shape to fit don't quote me though as I don't remember 100% what I was told.

Do you have a link to this mythical Brembo setup that MRT is selling. As I just can't see it happening for AUD 2,500. Maybe, just maybe the front only kit.

If they do in fact have this for 2.5K for a front a rear Brembo conversion I will be there immediately. But I just don't see it coming in at that price.

1. No way will you get a *BRAND NEW* (or even used set) of front and rear Brembo setup for 2.5K. I have been looking all over.

Here's an example of the *USED* setup.

Calipers front and rear $1200
Front and Rear Rotors $800
Pads front and $500
Braided lines front and rear $200
Dogbone for rear $250
DOT 6 fluid $50
2 hours labour (in case you're getting a w/s to fit) $150

$3150.

Now that's a pretty good price. Can't see MRT doing front and rear for 2.5K let alone 4K otherwise I wouldn't be bothering sourcing parts piece meal to upgrade mine (still need the rear dogbones)

1. STI wheels (other then MY02-MY04 17 7.5) *WILL NOT* fit. They 5x114.3 unless you go for a hub conversion or use a spacer with a PCD adaptor. I have 8 spare MY06 STi 17x8 wheels here ready for when a cheap 114.3 hub conversion becomes available. 4 for street and 4 for track.

The exception to the above maybe the STi wheels that shipped with Brembo equipped STi Liberty's (I think from MY06-MY07???). They had clearance for brembo's and were 5x100.

Yes they will. Either via a dog bone or using an 08+ rear calliper (this I haven't confirmed but it was mentioned by another user on another forum)

Hey mate, what brand would you recommend for rotors? I want zinc-coated.
What pads would you recommend? I want the ones with the lowest dust.

Hey mate, what brand would you recommend for rotors? I want zinc-coated.
What pads would you recommend? I want the ones with the lowest dust.

Hey mate, what brand would you recommend for rotors? I want zinc-coated.
What pads would you recommend? I want the ones with the lowest dust.

Hey mate, what brand would you recommend for rotors? I want zinc-coated.
What pads would you recommend? I want the ones with the lowest dust.

Hi,

Thanks for your jump to conclusions and time spent...

Please call MRT to confirm, which you could have done in the time spent typing the above. Sorry, one mistake I made, it was actually $2450.
No link sorry, they take a bit of time to respond to emails too, I'm guessing they have a lot on.

When I spoke to them they had just returned from the Motor Magazine Modified challenge with their Alcon BBK upgraded car.

Just relaying the offer made to me only a few days ago when I approached them to work on my car in relation to their XA performance upgrade and Brake enhancements..

There probably isnt another workshop in the country with access to Subaru parts in the quantity that MRT has..

Edit: Ask for Quentin.

Cheers

It's hard to recommend anything because looks are a personal preference. Have you looked at DBA X-Gold rotors.
Also have a look at DS Performance Ferrodo pads.

Just confirming front or **front and rear**

Will call later today but I want to check what you were offered.

I asked for complete STI Brembo STI Conversion.

That's not what they quoted you. The price is too low (particularly for MRT).

well i will call today haha

and i was referring to forester sti wheels 18x7.5 5x100 +48 :) they fit over brembos. ill just put them on my car ;)

Good to see jumping to conslusions works. The $2450 is fronts only, supply only, no lines

2450 is for driveaway front brembo conversion. from MRT

so we have two completely different offers from people who've evidently actually called them...

and MRT wonder why people seem to get annoyed at miscommunication that occurs.

theya re still working on the rear brembo kits as they have the kit sorted but they need to do something about the handbrake shoes.. something.. anyway, shouldnt be long i think. probably a touch under 5k driveaway for full conversion.

I was told 2450 supply only, I went in person. Either way 5k isnt 2450 front and rear. But i dont think anyone with half a clue was expecting that

I wonder if there is a bolt on projectmu kit coming.