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gmookher 09-14-2012 04:42 PM

Perrin Oil Cooler -Prototype, Installed today!
 
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See for yourself
Easy breezy install, tricky part for me was getting the lamps out of the fenders, the rest was cake.
you can see the sound tube delete if you look closely in one of the pics
also in another pic you can see the moroso aos
I'm digging the sound of the header back perrin stainless system (new thread in the works!)
this oil cooler was in the same box, and was lucky to get to try it and install it as a test subject, no instructions were given...and I did fine. I think I may have put the bolts in for the oil cooler upside down but it really didnt matter. Chris was a phone call away if I needed help, and I took him up on it, just one time for tech, and another to confirm the clampless oil hose, neat stuff

RYU 09-14-2012 04:48 PM

Is that heat exchanger mounted in your pics?

I wish it wasn't right smack in the middle. Us 6AT guys also need room for a Trans Cooler.

gmookher 09-14-2012 04:48 PM

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I was surprised that the mocal fittings and hose were clampless, but its true, thats how its done
Even after Chris told me I was skeptical, but its 100% kosher
In one picture you can see the factory subaru pipes against the wall
in another you can see my other toy, a land rover discoery 2 thats used as a trail leader rig in moab where I volunteer for a national rover club as a trail guide, means pulling and recoveries, its also nicely modded out, lifted , locker front rear and center, etc etc
sorry for the sizes, but the resolutions for your benefit, when you do this make sure you dont have the lines up against the washer bottle neck, you may have to pan to the right of the screen to see this clearly
there is a thread on here search 'reflector bumper cover remove' and the guy does a nice write up on how to get the cover off, its actually pretty intuitive, there are two plastic clips at the edges of the lower bumper cover that need a little gentle screwdriver work to pry out undamaged.
take your time and its easy thanks to a great design on subaru's part and a neat kit put together by Perrin made of trusted parts and part or two they seem to fab up in house, like a nifty spacer.

gmookher 09-14-2012 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RYU (Post 440925)
Is that heat exchanger mounted in your pics?

I wish it wasn't right smack in the middle. Us 6AT guys also need room for a Trans Cooler.

It can be offset if you prefer!:w00t:

Kido1986 09-14-2012 04:50 PM

I need this haha. I wish I knew someone there so I could have tested it as well :P Too many Sebring days in this car's life!

ATL BRZ 09-14-2012 05:10 PM

When do they go on sale and how much?

gmookher 09-14-2012 05:12 PM

Well, Its a prototype, so i am sure Chris will jump in here any second with news etc. My install was smooth and neat, no holes drilled etc. He did mention there may be a bracket in the works, for the production version. I'm actually fine bracketless, tho I may add a stone shield later

ATL BRZ 09-14-2012 05:17 PM

I'm pretty sure now after looking at it again that this wont fit with the Airaid intake. Particularly the way the lines and fittings are oriented, the Airaid box occupies that space. :(

PERRIN_Chris 09-14-2012 05:19 PM

Thanks for posting the pictures gmookher! We are working on two brackets for the oil cooler that will raise it up a little bit, and make for a little cleaner install. Basically the kit will come with everything needed for a simple bolt on install. If you guys have any questions, let me know!

ATL BRZ 09-14-2012 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ (Post 440990)
I'm pretty sure now after looking at it again that this wont fit with the Airaid intake. Particularly the way the lines and fittings are oriented, the Airaid box occupies that space. :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by PERRIN_Chris (Post 440992)
Thanks for posting the pictures gmookher! We are working on two brackets for the oil cooler that will raise it up a little bit, and make for a little cleaner install. Basically the kit will come with everything needed for a simple bolt on install. If you guys have any questions, let me know!

Can the fittings and lines be oriented differently depending on the way the adapter threads in? My post above states a potential fitment issue with the intake I'm running.

Pic for reference
http://i.imgur.com/J414J.jpg

JoeBoxer 09-14-2012 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PERRIN_Chris (Post 440992)
Thanks for posting the pictures gmookher! We are working on two brackets for the oil cooler that will raise it up a little bit, and make for a little cleaner install. Basically the kit will come with everything needed for a simple bolt on install. If you guys have any questions, let me know!

How much?

mike2100 09-14-2012 05:28 PM

So it's basically the heat exchanger, 2 lines, and sandwich adapter? Not bad
It looks like there's a port in the adapter that allows for an oil temp sensor, is that right?

Does the sandwich adapter get messy when you take the oil filter off? :)

*KID* 09-14-2012 05:38 PM

Looks neat! I deffinitely want this if it improves the HP being consistant.

PERRIN_Chris 09-14-2012 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer (Post 441005)
How much?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ (Post 440996)
Can the fittings and lines be oriented differently depending on the way the adapter threads in? My post above states a potential fitment issue with the intake I'm running.

Pic for reference
http://i.imgur.com/J414J.jpg


We're not sure yet, we will test fit it with intakes in the next few months to see if we can make it work with different intakes. We know for sure it will work with the PERRIN intake that is coming soon.


Quote:

Originally Posted by mike2100 (Post 441010)
So it's basically the heat exchanger, 2 lines, and sandwich adapter? Not bad
It looks like there's a port in the adapter that allows for an oil temp sensor, is that right?

Does the sandwich adapter get messy when you take the oil filter off? :)


There isn't a port for oil temp unfortunately. The adapter would have to be taller. But there is a port on the engine already for the factory oil temp sensor, which can be Tee'd off to an aftermarket gauge pretty easily.

It actually doesn't make a mess! We posted some info on this back when we first got the car here: http://blog.perrinperformance.com/2013-brz-exposed/

ATL BRZ 09-14-2012 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PERRIN_Chris (Post 441038)
We're not sure yet, we will test fit it with intakes in the next few months to see if we can make it work with different intakes. We know for sure it will work with the PERRIN intake that is coming soon.

Cool, I may have to switch intakes if it's too difficult to fit with the Airaid on. Perhaps a slightly taller adapter and then a flat oil filler cap would give enough room to have the fittings and lines right over the cap, but then filling the oil would be.... difficult.

Kido1986 09-14-2012 05:44 PM

Chris, any chance you need more warm weather track whore testers? :D

gmookher 09-14-2012 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kido1986 (Post 441047)
Chris, any chance you need more warm weather track whore testers? :D

get IN LINE buddy:thumbup:

ATL BRZ 09-14-2012 05:53 PM

Maybe this would work?

http://i.imgur.com/vUKwb.png

Excuse my shitty mspaint skills

Apex Chase 09-14-2012 06:19 PM

Any options in the works for those running an FMIC?

2forme 09-14-2012 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apex Chase (Post 441099)
Any options in the works for those running an FMIC?

Yea, I was all over grabbing this until I saw it's not compatible with the turbo kit I'm going to run. :(

tonystewart 09-14-2012 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ (Post 440990)
I'm pretty sure now after looking at it again that this wont fit with the Airaid intake. Particularly the way the lines and fittings are oriented, the Airaid box occupies that space. :(

Can we index the adaptor?

CBR600RR 09-14-2012 07:52 PM

So how much does this actually cool the oil temp down?

tonystewart 09-14-2012 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBR600RR (Post 441268)
So how much does this actually cool the oil temp down?

Great question!

getbent 09-14-2012 10:06 PM

Is there a thermostat?

Dai Lo 09-14-2012 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by getbent (Post 441486)
Is there a thermostat?

I sure hope it gets a thermostat. I want oil to reach operating temperatures especially in the midwest winters.

jehu 09-14-2012 11:44 PM

looks great. very tidy. :clap:
also a vote for an off centre mount.
and a question: if the stock oil filter has that 'cup' underneath it to avoid oil spills when changing the filter. does the sandwich adaptor get in the way at all?
what I mean is, or suggest is; would it be a reasonable/necessary idea to implement another cup/tray on top of the sandwich adaptor, so that it's more like the original design, without interruption? but if it's not needed, then all the better!
hope that makes sense.
cheers

Coheed 09-15-2012 12:54 AM

The oil filter o-ring should seal towards the inside of the adapter, any residual oil should have drained down from the center when you remove the filter. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems the outside of the adapter will mate to the outside of the filter, but the o-ring seals towards the inside.

Look at this pic to see what I mean:
http://contentinfo.autozone.com/znet...S2808/image/4/

Captain Snooze 09-15-2012 05:32 AM

@PERRIN_Chris,
Call me old fashioned,skeptical,Luddite,scared,no idea what I'm talking about, all of the above but could you please re-assure me about these clampless oil hoses? The concept fills me with trepidation.

Spartan65 09-15-2012 06:39 AM

How much more oil need to be added to the system?

gmookher 09-15-2012 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze (Post 441829)
@PERRIN_Chris,
Call me old fashioned,skeptical,Luddite,scared,no idea what I'm talking about, all of the above but could you please re-assure me about these clampless oil hoses? The concept fills me with trepidation.

ok, so here I am exposing myself

Look, dont get me wrong, I totally dig Perrin, and think Chris is a swell guy. I didnt believe him when he told me about the clampless hoses, so I called up MOCAL the manufacturer; and indeed, operationally rated 200psi at 300 degrees clampless. I scratched my head a bunch before putting it all back together clampless, but thats the real deal

http://97.74.32.155/files/phosend.pdf
scroll down to the last page of the pdf

our setup should never reach 300F or 200psi; so even the mocal dude said that clamps would be 'overkill' unless it was for a formula 1 car..

gmookher 09-15-2012 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spartan65 (Post 441852)
How much more oil need to be added to the system?

I added almost 3/4 quart!

gmookher 09-15-2012 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jehu (Post 441613)
looks great. very tidy. :clap:
also a vote for an off centre mount.
and a question: if the stock oil filter has that 'cup' underneath it to avoid oil spills when changing the filter. does the sandwich adaptor get in the way at all?
what I mean is, or suggest is; would it be a reasonable/necessary idea to implement another cup/tray on top of the sandwich adaptor, so that it's more like the original design, without interruption? but if it's not needed, then all the better!
hope that makes sense.
cheers


its all works as designed once you put the spacer in the OE cup is still functional

tonystewart 09-15-2012 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ (Post 441060)
Maybe this would work?

http://i.imgur.com/vUKwb.png

Excuse my shitty mspaint skills

What size is the an fitting?
What size is the sandwich adapter threads? NPT?

I will order this kit, purchase 90 degree an to npt adapters, and install it via the path you drew, or something similar. There will be enough room, just a little creativity laying the path from adapter to the cooler. It will work.:thumbsup:

jpit 09-15-2012 12:06 PM

Also, for those eventually ordering this kit - do not add clamps to the fittings for what you believe to be extra security. That can actually cut the hose and cause leaking problems.

Touge Monster 09-15-2012 02:43 PM

Looks great want!!!!

Captain Snooze 09-15-2012 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpit (Post 442083)
Also, for those eventually ordering this kit - do not added clamps to the fittings for what you believe to be extra security. That can actually cut the hose and cause leaking problems.

According to the pdf:
"Extra clamping (swagged ferrule, worm drive or Oetkier clamp)
should be considered where very high temperatures are involved."

:iono:

gmookher 09-15-2012 06:15 PM

Yes, and I read that to be for applications where the temps exceed hose's rated 300F. ... if your oils at 300F you have other issues at hand. In that instance they suggest oetiker clamp.

Speaking with Perrin, they've tested the snot out of it and no leaks.

Ravenlokk 09-15-2012 08:15 PM

Is there an estimate on price yet for this unit?

Captain Snooze 09-15-2012 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmookher (Post 442542)
Yes, and I read that to be for applications where the temps exceed hose's rated 300F. ... if your oils at 300F you have other issues at hand. In that instance they suggest oetiker clamp.

Speaking with Perrin, they've tested the snot out of it and no leaks.

I agree if you are hitting 300F you have problems somewhere but I was wondering about the clamp no clamp question.

Captain Snooze 09-15-2012 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PERRIN_Chris (Post 441038)
There isn't a port for oil temp unfortunately. The adapter would have to be taller. But there is a port on the engine already for the factory oil temp sensor, which can be Tee'd off to an aftermarket gauge pretty easily.

Can you tell us what thread is on the oil temp sensor?


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