Waiting since May...and may cancel
 

Hi all. I ordered an FR-S manual in May and waited about 2 months for an auto to show up instead. The dealer apologized and ordered another car, this time bothering to check which version was actually being shipped and my car will be here in 3 weeks.

The problem is...the CEL issue is causing me major worry because I cannot be without a car...especially a damn brand new one, for any length of time. I will be commuting in the
FR-S and now I am afraid it will strand me.

OMG. Can we please have another thread about this?! You're like the 3rd guy this week to start this thread.

Bottom line: it's a brand new car, it might have a few hick-ups. Also WAY MORE CARS ARE JUST FINE than have issues.

Chillax man :bonk:

With the CEL issue you have a slight chance of getting the same problem. If you are really worried about not having a commuter I would cancel the order and maybe pick up next year's model. Or you can talk to your dealer to see if they will put you in a rental if something does pop up like that.

Edit: Unless you signed a contract saying you will take shipment of the vehicle you should be able to cancel the order with your dealership. These things are flying off the boats and someone is bound to pick the same options as you.

I don't know what it is. But a lot of people on here have been getting an attitude, about some stupid shit. lets just all calm down. and get along

welcome to the forums... anyways don't worry about the problems with the car. iv owned mine since the 11th of august, I have 500 miles i have no problems as of now. So keep your hopes up and get the car! you will be impressed

All the issues are on a very small number of cars .. Most of the guys in town haven't has any issues at all.. One of us got 13500 km and no problems

People really need to chill, reason being is its a big issue and people have every right to be nervous about buying a new car that is having a big issue and when it is having said issue could be in the shop for over a month. Just because there may only be 50-70 people on this forum registered their VIN saying they've had the issue doesn't mean that EVERY single car has been accounted for. i highly doubt that every single one of the 7-8000 owners are on this site routinely meaning there could be many many more people that are having this issue infact my service manager informed me that over 200 owners have already brought their cars back for this reason. I have not had the issue yet and it makes me nervous every day because i have the symptoms yet no CEL. So people need to not be harsh to people that are nervous about things.

I thought the purpose of this forum was to discuss the car?

My experience with Scion up to this juncture has not been spectacular, so if I take delivery of a 2013 FR-S that has the remote chance of an unpredictable failure as I am leaving the dealership (on some examples), neither I nor Scion are going to enjoy the corollary.

This is the scenario I am fearing. Contrary to your point, this is not acceptable for a new car of any manufacture, and certainly not one with an outstanding reliability register such as Toyota.

The main problem here is that it appears I will have to become a gambling man?

You're correct, but let's find some of the other threads ON THIS EXACT topic that others have already started.


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15917
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16019
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10069
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15577
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16369


So tell me again why we need another thread about this please?

As Xanatos stated, some dealerships will give you a rental / other toyota/scion to drive while yours is being serviced for a warranty issue. Talk to your dealership about this, you shouldn't have to be without a car if thats the only worry.

I see.

I would venture to guess, given your responses and presence in those threads, that you are attempting to become some champion of the issues at hand?

Also, perhaps there is a reading comprehension course available in the evening for you to attend, because of the threads you list, one is actually the same as mine, is it not?

Am I being direct? Yes. Am I trying to help? Also yes. I showed you one thread where you can discuss weather to buy the car or not, then a few others about the exact issues and experiences that are being had.

Sorry.

I appreciate the assistance, thank you.

As previously mentioned in one of the threads you linked, my VIN number looks very different than what anyone else has linked. My car was built on 8/28, so I wonder if I could get lucky.

yeah but here's the thing dude...you just being an ass. One thing this forum/community does not need at all. If you have an attitude take to another forum. this guy is worried and asked a simple question. go be an ass somewhere else.

Well, to be fair, I did poke around the forum to see if this had been brought up and I missed it.

That said, my post probably will not be the last unless Toyota figures this out quickly.

Also, I am not trying to spread fear or drag the car through the mud. I was extremely excited when my first order came in and you can imagine what it was like when I looked in the window and saw the auto. :)

If you've lurked long enough into these forums to hear about problems and CEL issues then you should already have seen many happy owners on here as well.

I'm geussing you have never bought a brand new car or followed a brand new car

Things like this are very very common with brand brand new cars. !st year early adopters always have to deal with a teething period where all the kinks and bugs get worked out. The car is awesome but if you fear this to the point that it is making you doubt buying the car I would wait until next years model then.

quick example being the 1st gen GTR with their exploding trannys when you lanuch too much


P.S. Its a Toyota built by Subaru so I wouldn't place any value on past Toyota reliability.

EDIT: While I agree that BlaineWasHere went a little nazi on you there I do think new members should not be allowed to post a thread until a certain post count cause the number of repeated threads make me think this is the 1st time any of you have been on a forum. Search... please its not that hard to use

I love my baby but I am for sure worried about the CEL of dread..Even with that worry though i enjoy every second of my car.

Timeout.

Yeah I have an attitude, but so what? I'll admit I get overly irritated when people don't search and post things in the correct section! BUT without order it's all MADNESS!!!

I'm I an ass? Nope. I'm not calling people names or putting people down! It's nothing personal! I'm sure the OP is a great guy!




My advice to the OP is get the car and purchase extended factory warranty! Toyota has my back for the first 100K miles if anything breaks on the whole flippin car!

there is absolutely no need to be jumping on people because they have a question...once again this is looking like another forum that is going to have a bunch of guys that get their tampons in a bunch just because someone asks a question that's been asked once before....you know it's really easy..if your going to get angry and you don't feel like answering something again...simply just don't view the thread or reply to it. The OP wasn't looking for attitude he was looking for a well guided answer to his situation.

I don't ware tampons, I'm more of a maxi pad kinda gal! :slap:

It's just the internet!


OP, BUY THE CAR!

1. I have purchased over a dozen new vehicles between my wife and I over the last 15 years or so. I only buy new. In fact, it is probably more than that because I went on a bit of a tear where I got a new car every 1.5-2 years.

2. I disagree that this degree of failure is common with a new car, at least, not a single one I have ever purchased has had the potential to fail in this manner. In fact, not a single of those cars had ever left me at the side of the road. Also, didn't the majority of those GT-R failures occur because of the user-initiated defeat of the stability control? That is not remotely close to this problem.

3. I have been using forums since late 1998 or so.:search: Never heard of it :D

I get the point, and will go away now and lurk from now on. Good luck with your 86's!

right but many 'brand new' cars share stuff from the manufacturer's parts bin... so there wont be as many problems

this car is really brand new, engine and tech never used in any other car before; brand new chassis, there will be hiccups.

Also, the impact of the CEL problems is magnified because you are listening to a vocal minority on a internet forum. not to say that the issue shouldn't be corrected or even that it is okay, but most cars aren't having the problem.

at any rate, if you like the concept of the car and what it offers but don't want to deal with first year problems... wait.

I'm sure Subaru/Toyota will be producing the car for years to come. You should be alright unless you are taking the bus or your current ride is spitting oil everywhere, no?

Make sure you start posting again when you get your car! Because you're NOT backing out! :thumbsup:

I would say you are very lucky. The GTR issues were due to overheating and them never testing the launch control limit. There was no warning about lanuching your car and it was even recommened to use to save the tranny from abuse when at the track. Nissian ended up limiting the number of lanuches you can do in the next year model.

Here another example of a pretty recent car as well. I choose recent cars as you would think in this day and age we would have no problems but it certainly is not true.

09 Camaro

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/22/c...-your-new-cam/

Or better yet here the brand new 2013 Ford Escape with 3 recalls already.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/09/05/2...for-fire-risk/

The 2011 Mustang GT (1st gen) also had massive issues as well

Its just that when you look at the data. A brand new car is exactly that brand new. You can do all the testing you want but you won't find out how good the car is until the mass market gets their hand on it. They even did a report about it in Canada here

http://www.globalnews.ca/Pages/story.aspx?id=6442664900


BTW I say get it and gamble with Carma XD

Get the car, drive the car and you will love it. If you by some chance get one of the cars with issues then make your dealer give you a rental.

Man.. I picked mine up on the 23rd of August and have 870 miles on it, almost done with break-in! Celebratory donuts in sight!

People are being too nice I think in a lot of cases on the site. General forum etiquette is to utilize the search function and be flamed if you do not.

Maybe we can say it in a little nicer way than some of us have, but really it is a lot of work for the moderators to merge threads and keep the clutter down.

Honestly I don't understand why people ordered these cars and waited months just to receive it. I bought mine in mid July, and all I had to do was walk in to a dealer and buy it. I had to drive a couple hours to find one I liked, but that seems worth it to me.

Anyway, OP, I don't know if you can cancel your order or not, but it might be worth looking to see if there are still some sitting on lots within a couple hundred miles. Not sure how much harder they've gotten to find I guess.

My FRS is my DD and so fr only problem I have is not having enough corners to tackle on my way to work.......

It depends on where you are located or how far away you're willing to go to get the car. Around me dealers have 30 people waiting to buy 3 cars.

Dealers will promise you almost anything to keep your business, even if they cant meet those deadlines they promised you, in hopes that you're naive or patient enough for them to satisfy you.

Your advantage as a buyer is the freedom of choice and being able to shop multiple dealerships, and that's what you should have done, or should be doing. I originally placed an order at the closest dealer to my house, but I continued looking on my own. My deposit was only a plan to fall back on, but in the end I found a car at a different dealership and didn't have to wait the two to three months the first dealership told me.

To me that just shows that it is a MAJOR concern with many buyers. A Lot of people will have this car as their one and only car. Buying a brand new car that has a history of breaking down and going into the shop for replacement parts within the first few thousands of miles for a significant percent of owners is a big concern for those who cannot be without a car. I know about 4 local people that have a FR-S or BRZ. Not one of them has had an issue.......yet. But if I was in the OP shoes I would also be concerned about the timing sensor issue.

Maybe you should just not read the threads nor respond to them if they bother you so much.

I would talk with the dealership. Maybe they will give you a loaner. GL

As part of Toyota care you would be given a loaner car, so even if it is your only car (like it is mine) that point is invalid.

lol well its not my daily driver. and i have no time to drive it i work all the time! so i mean if i would drive my fr-s for work i would get 50000 miles in 8 months... thats what i put on my mustang kinda sucks

I think it's good that you are waiting, Alot of the issues have been fixed at the assembly line (as i am guessing). I was just like you and wanted my FRS NOW. But after receiving my FRS in August, I am quite happy as I am not dealing with many of the problems that the first owners are having. Also I never put down a deposit on a dealership that said they could get the FRS (i wanted whiteout). I put it down on a dealership that was projected to get my color through Allocation. I called at least 10 dealerships in my area.
Hope this helps.

I got my car in the second week of June. I was daily driving it 100+ miles daily. It currently has about 6200 miles. But I moved it into the garage. I haven't had any issues with the CEL, knock on wood! Most of the people that got the CEL got it right away, within the first 1k miles. But, to be safe I would just wait til the next model year

whats this CEL issue everyone talks about? Iv had my car since may with 37xx miles on it and no problem since. Maybe i have been blessed with my car.

Why is everyone beating Toyota up for a Subaru engine issue? Anyway knowing how these two companies work any issue has already been root cause analized and countermeasured. I'd bet anything built after 7/15 or so has already been checked and either tossed in the bin or repaired at the factory.