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zooki 08-14-2012 08:50 PM

alignment with Eibach springs?
 
Anybody have a problem with alignment after installing the Eibach Pro-line springs? I have ordered adjustable strut bolts for the front, but was wondering about the rear. Any problems, or can the stock adjustments handle te springs? Thanks.

Dave-ROR 08-14-2012 09:03 PM

Depends on what you want for rear camber. If you have too much rear camber you can pull some out with the whiteline adjusters for fairly cheap.

zooki 08-14-2012 09:45 PM

Probably just aligned back to stock specs. This is my daily driver, don't need anything too aggressive.

switchlanez 08-14-2012 10:08 PM

According to: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...382#post296382
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evasive Motorsports (Post 296382)
EIBACH PRO-KIT SCION FR-S & SUBARU BRZ

http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/...kit_2013_1.jpg
TECHNICAL INFORMATION
FRONT:
FR-S OE rate: 23 N/mm (131 lbs/in)
BRZ OE rate: 27 N/mm (153 lbs/in)
PK rate: 26-35-65 N/mm (148-200-371 lbs/in)
Tubing: No
Bump-stop: New Eibach bump-stop
Damper: OE
OE wheel center to fender: 370 mm (14.6 in)
PK wheel center to fender: 345 mm (13.6 in)

Front Alignment:
OE Camber = 0.00 deg (+/-0.75 deg)
OE Caster = 5.9 deg (+/-0.00 deg)
OE Total Toe = 0.0 deg (+/-0.18 deg)
PK Camber = -0.2 deg
PK Caster = 5.9 deg
PK Toe = 0.0 deg

Approximate installation time: 1.0 hr


REAR:
FR-S OE rate: 37 N/mm (211lbs/in)
BRZ OE rate: 34 N/mm (195 lbs/in)
PK rate: 18-48-68 N/mm (103-274-388 lbs/in)
Tubing: Yes
Bump-stop: New Eibach bump-stop
Damper: OE
OE wheel center to fender: 370 mm (14.6 in)
PK wheel center to fender: 345 mm (13.6 in)

Rear Alignment:
OE Camber = -1.25 +/-0.75 deg.
OE Total Toe = 0.12 deg. +/-0.18 deg
PK Camber = -1.7 deg.
PK Total Toe = 0.12 deg

PRO-KIT can be aligned to OE specifications.

http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/...kit_2013_5.jpg


Jackson 08-15-2012 07:07 PM

Eibach is currently designing adjustable rear arms to adjust camber and toe for the FR-S and BRZ. They will be needed to dial in preferred alignment specs if you modify your ride with springs or coilovers.

zooki 08-15-2012 09:19 PM

When can we expect these, and how much?

Jackson 08-16-2012 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zooki (Post 382179)
When can we expect these, and how much?

They are still in the design phase but all of the parts we're developing for these cars are high priority. I'm hoping we'll have pieces in the next month or two. I'm sure updates will be posted by myself or others as we have more info and photos to share.

ultra 08-16-2012 02:16 PM

I don't see how they can claim that the car can be aligned back to stock specs without aftermarket camber adjusters. The car has no camber adjustment stock.

Bit skeptical.

Dave-ROR 08-16-2012 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultra (Post 383844)
I don't see how they can claim that the car can be aligned back to stock specs without aftermarket camber adjusters. The car has no camber adjustment stock.

Bit skeptical.

OE Spec is 1.25 +/- .75, or .5-2.00. They measured 1.7, which is in the OE range.

Synack 08-19-2012 02:28 PM

Wait wait wait. If I am reading this correctly, stock front camber is ZERO and rear is -1.25????

That seems stupid to me. You'd figure it would be front camber around -0.5 to -0.75 and the rear around -0.25 to -0.5.

Personally I'll be running about -1.25 up front and -1 in the rear; for drifting.

ultra 08-19-2012 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Synack (Post 389134)
Wait wait wait. If I am reading this correctly, stock front camber is ZERO and rear is -1.25????

That seems stupid to me. You'd figure it would be front camber around -0.5 to -0.75 and the rear around -0.25 to -0.5.

Personally I'll be running about -1.25 up front and -1 in the rear; for drifting.

Whiteline said pretty much that in their video analysis of the OEM suspension.

IIRC they saw around 0 degrees of camber up front and -1.1 or so in the rear, with slight toe out front and a little toe in out back.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11210

What I'm curious about what Eibach means when they claim that the alignment can be *adjuated* to factory specs when it's pretty widely known that the car doesn't have any camber adjustment from the factory.

Saying that the alignment 'happens to fall within OEM tolerances' with the springs installed would have been clearer than saying tha it cam be adjusted.

Unless they're referring to toe only.

Synack 08-19-2012 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultra (Post 389242)
Whiteline said pretty much that in their video analysis of the OEM suspension.

IIRC they saw around 0 degrees of camber up front and -1.1 or so in the rear, with slight toe out front and a little toe in out back.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11210

What I'm curious about what Eibach means when they claim that the alignment can be *adjuated* to factory specs when it's pretty widely known that the car doesn't have any camber adjustment from the factory.

Saying that the alignment 'happens to fall within OEM tolerances' with the springs installed would have been clearer than saying tha it cam be adjusted.

Unless they're referring to toe only.

Gotcha. Well looks like I'll only need a rear camber adjustment after getting a drop. A 1-1.4 inch drop should put me around -1.25 up front hopefully. WAY too much camber in the back though.

zooki 08-20-2012 06:15 PM

So I got my springs on yesterday. Took it in for an alignment, and the rear camber is out of spec, but only on the passenger side. -1.5 on the drivers side rear, but -2.1 on the passenger's side. Wondering if it will change with a 200 lb. driver in the car? If not, how much will it hurt to drive until I can get some adjustment for the rear?

empower-auto 08-20-2012 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zooki (Post 382179)
When can we expect these, and how much?

Considering it will be upper arms .. it will be $$$.

Battle Version will have some stuff out for this car soon I bet.

Synack 08-20-2012 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zooki (Post 391527)
So I got my springs on yesterday. Took it in for an alignment, and the rear camber is out of spec, but only on the passenger side. -1.5 on the drivers side rear, but -2.1 on the passenger's side. Wondering if it will change with a 200 lb. driver in the car? If not, how much will it hurt to drive until I can get some adjustment for the rear?

It won't be that bad. Unless you do burnouts and stuff all the time. You got a couple thousand miles before the inside wears more often than the outside.

So a 1" drop got you to -2.1? I wonder what the fronts are?

zooki 08-20-2012 08:41 PM

I can't really say. I put eccentric adjusters in the top strut holes, and just eyeballed them so I could get it to the alignment shop.

Smudgeous 08-27-2012 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zooki (Post 391527)
So I got my springs on yesterday. Took it in for an alignment, and the rear camber is out of spec, but only on the passenger side. -1.5 on the drivers side rear, but -2.1 on the passenger's side. Wondering if it will change with a 200 lb. driver in the car? If not, how much will it hurt to drive until I can get some adjustment for the rear?

Mine is similarly aligned (-1.6 and -2.1) in the back after installing the Pro Kit springs. I had purchased the Whiteline Rear Control Arm Upper Inner Bushing kit but haven't installed it, yet. I'm planning on just evening out driver/passenger side, though this probably won't be happening for at least another few weeks. Free time I do not have :(

Dave-ROR 08-27-2012 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Synack (Post 391570)
It won't be that bad. Unless you do burnouts and stuff all the time. You got a couple thousand miles before the inside wears more often than the outside.

So a 1" drop got you to -2.1? I wonder what the fronts are?

By itself the fronts will basically be zero still.. it'll change a little but it'll end up .1 or .2 most likely. With Sportlines and whiteline top hats I'm -1.0 on one side and -1.2 on the other IIRC and that -1 comes from the top hats...

Synack 08-27-2012 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 405339)
By itself the fronts will basically be zero still.. it'll change a little but it'll end up .1 or .2 most likely. With Sportlines and whiteline top hats I'm -1.0 on one side and -1.2 on the other IIRC and that -1 comes from the top hats...

I'm going for -1.25F/-1.0R

The front is close to what I want

BAE 08-30-2012 09:40 PM

What is the best options to adjust camber front and rear? I got the Eibach Pro's today, but will go for coilovers later. The whiteline kits cost $85 for front and $162 for rear.
http://www.whiteline.com.au/do_segue...ehicle=2012-ON

Or could it be smart to go for camber plates from Vorshlag or similar that I also can use with coilovers later?

Opie 09-17-2012 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zooki (Post 391527)
So I got my springs on yesterday. Took it in for an alignment, and the rear camber is out of spec, but only on the passenger side. -1.5 on the drivers side rear, but -2.1 on the passenger's side. Wondering if it will change with a 200 lb. driver in the car? If not, how much will it hurt to drive until I can get some adjustment for the rear?

Install my Eibach Pro-Kit on Saturday and had it alignned this morning, same results as you:
Spec - Right/Left:
Front Camber: -0.2/-0.1
Front Caster: 5.6/5.7
Front Toe: 0.02/0.02

Rear Camber: -1.9/-2.3
Rear Toe: 0.12/0.11

Weird...height is the same on both sides, everything is torqued & installed properly, no binding, no clunks, etc. Camber is just a hair out on the Right Rear...


UPDATE!
Just pulled the alignment spec's from my car's previous alignment (before the Eibach's were installed) due to a steering wheel that was off center;
Rear Camber: -0.9/-1.5
The rear camber was not equal then either, but was still in the "green". Since the Eibach's give in more negative camber, it gave it enough to put it in the "red". My guess is the rear subframe is skewed to the right, looks like I'll need to loosen it up and tweak it to make the camber equal right to left in the rear.
Conclusion: This is not an Eibach issue....


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