Second gen 86 to have 4 hp more than BRZ
 

There are several stories this morning that the second generation 86 will have 4 hp more than the BRZ:

https://jalopnik.com/the-2021-toyota...sub-1846618096

https://www.thedrive.com/news/40055/...and-more-speed

Obviously Toyota is doing this purely for marketing purposes, to be able to claim a 'more powerful' engine. Seems silly, there's no way that you could feel a difference of 4 hp with the same torque in the seat of your pants. Buy hey, 'more powah' is always better.

Interesting that there seems to be a bit of rivalry between Toyota and Subaru on the second gen car.

" but don't be surprised if the U.S.-spec car mirrors the American-market BRZ's 228hp"


Time will tell.....

Both GR86 and BRZ presented today have same engine specs.

No it doesn't. They just showed the ratings different.

Yosh explained it best
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...6&postcount=26

I thought i read somewhere that the 235 PS was equivalent to 232hp, which would equal a 4hp bump (not that it makes a huge difference)

Something is lost in translation though because i believe the Toyota specs says the CR is 12.5 : 1 while Subaru back during the US reveal said its 13.5 : 1

They will be the exact same engine and specs.

YES but...who has the right numbers?

My understanding is that only the JDM spec gets that 4 extra HP. I have not heard anything so far that US models will have 2 different outputs

Lol, the big question that... well... really doesn't matter. Moral is they will be the same. If I were to trust any rating posted, it would be their 173kW, which equates to approximately 232HP. Interestingly 152kW for the previous gen equates to nearly 204HP, which doesn't quite match up either.

No

This ^

Not out of the realm of possibility,

The last gen Celica had 190hp in Europe/Japan but 180hp in America
Exact same car though.

So its just possible that the JDM spec car is rated at 232 and the american car is rated at 228.

But i wouldnt bet on it being a 86 having 232 vs BRZ with 228. The difference is likely a region thing. I dont think it changes any performance metrics though.

Its probably fuel related rather than emissions. Premium fuel in japan is very good.

As far as the rumored 235HP goes somebody someplace misinterpreted the PS (Metric HP) rating as the HP rating and everybody has speculated about differences since then.

173KW = 231.9 HP
235 PS = 231.7HP
The announced most recent HP was 232.

They will all be the same no mater what brand, model or location.

People are just messed up by the error in interpretation and inventing scenarios to fit it.

I bet the 228 was premature.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/atta...1&d=1617599600

Subaru's official website still says 228. So highly likely that the 232 is only for Japanese BRZ/GR86.

the engine is delivering the same amount of power, regardless of how people are trying to split hairs via whatever units. The powerplant is identical.

Holy shit, imagine the difference! Why would anyone even fathom a Subaru when the Toyota is so friggen stacked? Probably comes with R888R tires and an angle kit for drifting

Maybe the 228hp was on Cali piss water 91 octane.

fake news saw this thread and wrote a story about it. :p

https://jalopnik.com/the-2021-toyota...sub-1846618096

Not gonna click and patronize those pseudo-journalistic bloggers.
But gosh, the comments under BRZ articles go like these...."Put a turbo it in brah! Then I'll buy it! Needs more powah brah!" or "My mom's minivans beats you off the line brah!"
These people fit better in Mustangs.

Totally agree than anything on the 'internet' needs to be taken with a grain of salt, particularly jalopnik. What's interesting about this story is how many other news sites are carrying it and referencing the news having come from Toyota -

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/othe...id=mailsignout

https://www.thedrive.com/news/40055/...and-more-speed

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...r-86-revealed/

https://www.motor1.com/news/498782/2...-gr-86-reveal/

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...ew-photos-info

https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/s...-toyota-gr-86/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterly...h=59051fd91786

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...parts-for-brz/

If it's 'fake news', then an awful lot of news organizations seem to be falling for it.

Then of course there's this, the actual news release directly from Toyota -

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/34997138.html

Which matches what everyone else has picked up on. So, in this case, it doesn't seem like 'fake news'.

It seems totally logical that the specs for the GR86 and BRZ will be identical. It's hard to imagine how the same engine would have two different outputs in the same market (and how the companies would agree to that). Maybe the Japanese home market version will have a slightly different tune than the export cars, so that Japanese buyers can feel like they got the 'better' version.

there's been a number of other motors and shared platforms over the years.

has there ever been 2 different brands that release the same car with different engine specs? i don't believe so. i believe this to be a conversion difference. like when you translate english to another language, and then back to english.

Actually the supra.... Toyota had a lower engine output than the BMW initially.

Clearly these cars have identical engines, with the Japanese spec GR86/BRZ perhaps higher than the US spec because of the higher quality premium fuel.

It will be interesting to see the UK/AUS specs, I'm assuming they will match the US.

He needs to redo his calculations if the BRZ isn't getting a 13.5:1 compression:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcp76132_SY

lol.

Actually he does, not because of the compression of course, but because the rev limit is said to be 7400, not 7500.

Can I just say that the freaking marketing spec sheets confuse the heck out of me. I honestly can't say I'm sure there aren't any mistakes in either of them!

Static or dynamic?

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It says right here in this picture - both GR86 and BRZ have identical specs. And we know that the US BRZ gets 228. So it implies that there is a market somewhere (Japanese, let's say) that both these cars get 232.
Also, that most likely means that both the 86 and BRZ in the good ol' US of A get 228.

The news release that shows the 232 in both the BRZ and 86 is Global not Japan only. https://global.toyota/en/newsroom
The 228 posted by Subaru is most likely simply an error due to their early info release. There is little sense financial in making the changes required between the two to have a 4HP increase even for different markets.

Last year I disposed of a lawn mower that had a perfectly operating Briggs and Stratton 6 hp motor. So, what you are all chattering about is not quite even that? Sheeesh.

Penny wise, pound fuelish.

"But one source, however, suggests the U.S.-spec coupe will get 228-hp, the same as the new BRZ"

That "source" could very well be here! Once one of these sites says something the rest run with it.
The Toyota info does not say that the BRZ will have less it simply says that the 86 will be 232. They didn't tune the cars different for any of the versions of the first gen and I can not see ant reason why they would all of a sudden do it now.

The much more likely scenario is that in the many months since the BRZ was announced they either found 4 more HP or used a different set of test results to up the rated number.

subaru.jp website gives the same 232 figure. The US webpage however shows 228.
I don't see anything unusual about a global company webpage writing an article about a certain limited market.

Yep!
The 228 number is a whopping 10.5% increase over the 2017 to 2020s
The 232 is a mega 12% increase.
People are reacting as if it all of a sudden has become a Mustang killer.

A global release is not going to give individual market numbers. That is what makes it Global!
Subaru USA just hasn't updated their page yet. Probably because they just don't care.

Depends on who is running the dyno

The torque curve will make it feel much faster than the previous generation. Much like an e85 tune does

It takes times to get used to your trolling

My scion im has 137hp from its 2ZR-FAE motor, while the Corolla Eco trim of the last generation made 140hp from the same engine.....

WHERE DID MY 3 HP GO??? I AM FURIOUS!!!!

MY CAR IS ALREADY SUPER DUPER DANGEROUS TO DRIVE BECAUSE OF HOW SLOW IT IS I NEED THAT EXTRA 3 HP!! EVERY HP HELPS!!!


Its not unusual to have different ratings in different markets due to reasons.
Both the US and the JDM specs are probably right.

Not trolling. I just strongly believe that it will be the same spec.
The info from Subaru NA has been know to be wrong before.

Given how excited everyone is about 3hp, I can now understand the market for intake tubes and cold air intakes.[emoji1751]

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