Everything we know about PP Brembos
 

Given how much positive feedback I got on the topic about wheel fitment for PP Brembos,
and how many things most people still don't know about them,
I decided to start a new topic about the brakes themselves.

OEM Subaru part numbers

• 26292CA070 caliper front left
• 26292CA060 caliper front right
• 26261FE000 caliper bracket / tie bar front
• 901120131 front caliper M12x54 bolt (need 4)
• 26300FE001 rotor front (single, need 2)
• 26296FE100 pads front (4 pads)
• 26232FE010 front pad retaining clip
• 26231FE030 front caliper pin (need 4)
• 26231FE040 pin retaining clip (need 4 in the front, same in the rear)
• 26540CA030 brake hose front left
• 26540CA020 brake hose front right
• 26290CA030 rotor dust shield left front
• 26290CA020 rotor dust shield right front
• 26297CA010 caliper repair kit front
• 26692CA070 caliper rear left
• 26692CA060 caliper rear right
• 901000326 rear caliper bolt (need 4)
• 26700CA000 rotor rear (single, need 2)
• 26696FG000 pads rear (4 pads)
• 26632FE001 rear pad retaining clip
• 26631FE000 rear caliper pin (need 4)
• 26231FE040 pin retaining clip (need 4 in the rear, same in the front)
• 26541CA050 brake hose rear left
• 26541CA040 brake hose rear right
• 26704VA010 rotor dust shield left rear
• 26704VA000 rotor dust shield right rear
• 26697FG000 caliper repair kit rear
• Anything else worth mentioning?

See exploded views for other minor stuff like bolts, pins, etc.: front, rear.

Torque specs
Front caliper bolts: 88.5 ft·lb or 120 Nm (19 mm socket)
Rear caliper bolts: 53.8 ft·lb or 73 Nm (17 mm socket)
Bleeder valves: 14.8 ft·lb or 20 N·m (11 mm)

The rotors have two M8x1.25 holes each for bolts to simplify removal.

Piston sizes
4x40 mm front [citation needed]
2x40 mm rear [citation needed]

Compatible rotors
Fronts are 326x30mm, rears are 316x20mm

• Centric C-TEK Standard 121.47019 front
• Centric C-TEK Standard 121.47043 rear
• Centric Premium 125.47019 front
• Centric Premium 125.47043 rear
• DBA 654-10 front
• DBA 4654S-10 front
• DBA 5654GLDXS-10 front
• DBA 42656S-10 rear
• Girodisc A1-007 5x100 front (more info)
• Girodisc A2-095 5x100 and 5x114 dual drilled rear (more info)
• Paragon 2-piece front (link)

Compatible pads

• FMSI D numbers: D1001 front, D961 rear
• WVA codes: 23092 or 23325 front, 21580 or 23323 rear
• CSG.C1.1001.15 front
• CSG.C2.1001.15 front
• CSG.C2.961.14 rear
• CSG.CE2.1001.15 front
• CSG.CX1.1001.15 front
• CSG.CE1.961.14 rear
• DBA DB1678XP front (link)
• DBA DB1521XP rear (link)
• Ferodo DS2500 FRP3067H front
• Ferodo DS2500 FCP1562H rear
• Hawk HPS HB453F.585 front
• Hawk HPS HB180F.560 rear
• PowerStop Z23 Z23-1001 front
• PowerStop Z23 Z23-961 rear
• PowerStop Z23 Z26-1001 front
• PowerStop Z23 Z26-961 rear
• Project U Racing 999 R906
• Project U Club Racer PCR09F906
• StopTech Sport 309.10010 front
• StopTech Sport 309.09610 rear

Compatible kits

• Centric front hardware kit 117.47018
• Centric front dust boots and inner seals kit 143.34039
• Centric rear dust boots and inner seals kit 143.35031 (same as half of 143.34039)

Please post any other useful information you might know about these!

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They use the standard OEM Brake pad sizing for Subaru, which is common to other OE Brembo systems (Can be referenced in the Brembo attachments). This typically also applies to the 4pot/2pot Brembo GT system

See attachments


Project Mu shape code:

• Front - F906 & F506
• Rear - R906

WVA code:

• Front - 23092 or 23325
• Rear - 21580 or 23323

Attached Brembo pdfs also show information about approximate pad width, height, thickness, though I'm sure there is some allowable play in the exact dimensions among parts makers

• Front: 131.8 W x 77.3 H x 15 Thk [mm]
• Rear: 76.6 W x 65.4 H x 14.3 Thk [mm]

Done

Can we confirm which years of WRX STI Brembo pads will fit with the BRZ/86 Brembo's? Currently I'd pretty confident the 08+ STI size pads are cross compatible.

Another 2-piece rotor alternative are Girodisc rotors. More info in this thread: https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140428

Front fitment (A1-007) is confirmed to fit, but rear is still up in the air.

Also, the FMSI D Number (defines the pad shape, etc.) are listed below:

Front Pads: D1001
Rear Pads: D961

These shapes are common between WRX STi (04-17) and the PP Brembos.

I believe the front pad shape is used for a lot of different cars with OEM Brembo brake setups, including WRX STi (04-17), Lancer Evo, Civic Type R, and others. The rears are common with WRX STi (04-17) again obviously, Lancer Evo, G35/350Z with Brembo options, and others. Just something to keep in mind while you're shopping for pads.

"Matsubishi" :bonk:

Noticed that XD






Also the PDFs don't do a good job of recapturing the additional compatibility info in the tabs from Brembo parts site


For others, feel free to browse:
86 https://www.bremboparts.com/asiapaci...ey/000121184-1

BRZ https://www.bremboparts.com/asiapaci...-0/000124014-1


WRX STI https://www.bremboparts.com/asiapaci...wd/000100922-1

I used the PowerStop Z23 carbon fiber pads on my last car, and they were excellent for a street pad. Virtually no noise or brake dust, but with decent initial bite and fade resistance for "spirited" canyon runs. After experiencing the massive amounts of brake dust from the stock pads, I'll be swapping them out ASAP. ;)

The PowerStop Z23 front part number is Z23-1001 and rear part number is Z23-961.

There are also the Z26 carbon fiber / ceramic pads, which are supposed to be a further step up in performance. Part numbers for those are Z26-1001 and Z26-961.

They also make some "stock replacement" pads (Z16 and Z17) and some "Track Day" pads, and some drilled and slotted rotors. They also sell some pads and rotors together in kits. You can search what's available at www.powerstop.com, and they link to several online vendors.

There are also lots of other pads available to fit the OEM Brembo's listed on www.rockauto.com.

StopTech Sport 309.10010 front pads and 309.09610 rear pads work well. Used them for one season of autocross and two track days and I'm very happy with them.

Found some interesting info on piston sizes and brake bias

Beyond the parts for the calipers, pads, and discs front and rear, what are the other parts needed to switch over from the non-PP brakes? Looking at the diagram, it looks like maybe a bracket and the dust shield on the front and the rears bolt right up?

To clarify - That image and #'s are for the non-brembo/stock brake system and was taken from this thread : https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140940 attempting to calculate the bias of using Brembo rear brakes with a stoptech front kit. Part of that was trying to find out how much they would change front/rear bias. He had calculations of the stock system and the Brembo -- I was pointing out that his stock values were not correct. I went on to verify stock/brembo numbers...

Below are figures/calcs for the stock/brembo/AP sprint combos. If anyone knows of any errors here, let me know.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/pict...ictureid=12419

At the bottom are the #'s Essex quoted me for a non-brembo/stock system and a AP Sprint kit front and non-brembo/stock rear front %age. My calcs are pretty close to the Essex numbers, so I think the math is mostly correct - probably good enough to be used to compare the options since they are all done the same way.

My current set up.

DBA 5654GLDXS-10 5000 Series 2-Piece Drilled and Slotted Disc Brake Rotor
DBA 42656S-10 rear
Front pads Project U Racing 999 R906 (Suggested by CSG)
Rear pads Project U Club Racer PCR09F906 (Suggested by CSG)

I did start with the Hawk ceramic pads. They worked great on the street, but were SCARY! At 100 MPH. You would have a solid brake with no braking authority. The Project U pads have a lot better bite.

Hey folks, does anyone have photos of what comes in the 26297CA010 and 26697XA000 kits?

I've heard there are cheaper kits that have just the outer piston dust boots, does anyone know the part numbers for those?

For the record, even though parts.subaru.com displays 26297CA001, 26297CA000, 26697XA001, and 26697XA000
in the parts lists for 2017-2020 BRZ Brembo brakes, the "What this fits" tab
reveals that these are compatible with 2013-2016 MY BRZs, so are for base brakes.

The parts lists for the 2018 BRZ STI (which only came with Brembos) don't mention those part numbers.

We're onto you.

Yep the edits with the links to the essay writing/fake Viagra/passports/cheap whatevers/etc should show up any time now.

We're onto you too

Can we stay on topic? :rolleyes:

Just ordered Centric 143.34039 and 143.35031, according to their website they fit our PP Brembos.

Dumb question: is it one kit per caliper or one kit for two calipers?

I believe it's one kit per caliper and you need 2+2 to replace all seals.

Thx for this useful info that I've been searching for long.

I just changed the original front dust boots with these.
The OEM dust boots were seated extremely snug, and it was a pain to pull them out.
It was also hard to put the Centric seals in, but then it still feels like it's easy to pull them out.
I'm not very confident that they will stay in place. Time will tell...

I'm pretty sure the rear dust boots are identical to the front ones,
so I believe you can just buy 3 front kits instead of 2 fronts and 2 rears.

Hello,

Thank you very much for the info. Not easy to find info for GT86 PP Brembo.
I am planning of buying DBA T3 4000 discs: DBA 4654S-10 front, DBA 42656S-10 rear.

What compounds would you recommend for fast street + mild track/autoX? It's very important for me that the dust is noncorrosive and work good(at least like OEM) in the winter. I don't care if there's much dust, as long as it is not corrosive. Also, mild squeak is not a problem.

I was thinking of DBA XP(Xtreme Performance), Carbotech 1521(Bobcats)/AX6/XP8, Ferodo DS2500, STI ST262964S020 (Sti upgrade for gt86/brz brembo pads). I want to change front + rear, with the same compound.

I think this is what many people here look for in a set of pads, so your answers would help many others. The question is targeted at anyone, not just OP.

Thank you in advance,
Andrei

Insert the Kenobi "That's why I'm here" meme.

This part can't help, I'm not an expert on which pad is best for which application.
Personally I run OEM for street and AutoX and a dedicated track pad for track (CSG C2 currently).

Also, all the pads in my post have versions compatible with:
So all those variants, you can add to the list on the first page, if you want :D

DBA XP(Xtreme Performance, maybe SP and RP also), Carbotech all compounds, Ferodo all compounds

https://i.imgur.com/3IJeixv.jpg

Picked up a full set of centric premiums 3 months ago had to wait for back order on the front rotors. Just got them in today, swap incoming cant wait! Got them on Buybrakes.com for $350 all 4. :thumbup:

I have all the parts to get the swap done now. Thank you OP for putting all this info together!

Soooo, after finding out the stealyourshit wants approximately $2200 to do my brakes I've been doing some research and this thread is super helpful. I've got a question and apologize in advance if it's been answered, I did read through the thread and searched first.

Has anyone tried using brembo part # 09.7812.11 or 1X which is compatible with Subaru PN 26300FE000? According to Subaru's part site 26300FE001 is the correct unit for the BRZ PP, but it also states it its the replacement for 26300FE000. My assumption would be there should be no difference other than perhaps materials/construction but nothing dimensionally. Oh and I can get that rotor from brembo for 90 bucks (though out of stock currently😖).

Also, for reference the rear rotor PN from brembo is 09.A198.21

Thanks in advance.

Edward

09.7812.11 is correct. Amazon was selling them for $69 a few weeks ago. Prices have gone up alot since. You can see the part number in the pic.

Awesome! Thanks for the quick response!

Newbie here, so play along. Best I can figure is that this is the most cost effective way to get Brembos at all four corners? This is for some Solo II and Solo I work.

Front Calipers: $598.14 each
+ 19.20 for Dust Shield
+ 7.46 for two bolts
+ 8.37 for the clip
= 633.17 per side or $1266.34 for front

Rear Calipers: $555.41 each
+ 5.82 for two bolts
+ 6.62 for the clip
+ X.XX for dust shield?
= 567.85 per side or $1135.70 for rear

Is this the most cost effective way to bigger brakes without going nuts? I'm not sure I love the CTS-V plan because I can't figure out what to use for rear calipers.

Thanks for any input!

Some would argue whether having Brembos in the rear is worth it. If you're ok with the base caliper in the rear (nothing wrong with it other than the looks), you can get a more advanced Brembo GT or even B-M4 front kits for less that PP on all four corners. You can find details on those calipers on other threads on this forum. Be aware that they are even more picky than PP with regards to wheel fitment

Unfortunately getting just the front PPs is not an option as it will mess up the brake balance.

Thanks timurrrr, I'm more interested in getting to a system rather than a sum of parts, so this seems like the best path forward to me right now. I'd love to buy the big 6 pot calipers and 4's for the rear, but everyone has a budget!

I'm in the process of doing this. You'll also need the 2 tie bars (one either side for the front calipers), also the brake hoses are different - the PP brembo hoses have a bend on the metal banjo bolt that attaches to the calipers (my 2013 brake hoses do not). I don't know whether the existing hoses on my car would work - but I'm not risking it.

Also, obviously the rotors are larger for the Brembos - and new brake pads.