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Capt Spaulding 02-06-2021 05:05 PM

Does Anybody Ever:
 
Follow the service manual and use new bolts and nuts where it specifies?

Ultramaroon 02-06-2021 05:44 PM

Yes but not always. Depends on the application.

soundman98 02-06-2021 07:29 PM

depends entirely on whether i planned the job out in advance, or if new bolts can be delivered by tomorrow.

i've always re-used the copper drain plug crush washer...

JIM THEO 02-07-2021 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding (Post 3404853)
Follow the service manual and use new bolts and nuts where it specifies?

Usually...

gen3v8 02-07-2021 05:58 AM

Not on head bolts or snapped wheel studs

Capt Spaulding 02-07-2021 01:10 PM

I've seen a number of how-tos on a variety of mod procedures and I can't think of any of them that mentioned the fastener replacement issue. I swapped out my stabilizer bar bushings (front and rear) recently. At both ends, the FSM specifies new fasteners. The front subassembly uses eight 10mm (shank diameter) bolts that get torqued to 44 lb/ft, That seemed really low considering the number and size of the bolts. I reused. Similar with rears.

Over the years, I've generally seen the bolt replacement requirements in torque-to-yield situations. I've religiously applied the replacement rule in those cases. Other places like brake caliper bolts on roadracing motorcycles where the calipers are coming off and going on like neon signs - generally not. Subie seems to take the approach that "if you turn the bolt or nut, replace it." I chalk it up to litigation paranoia, but ... Thanks for the input.

Ultramaroon 02-07-2021 02:23 PM

Sounds like you have ample experience to make appropriate decisions. You gots dis.

humfrz 02-08-2021 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding (Post 3404969)
I've seen a number of how-tos on a variety of mod procedures and I can't think of any of them that mentioned the fastener replacement issue. I swapped out my stabilizer bar bushings (front and rear) recently. At both ends, the FSM specifies new fasteners. The front subassembly uses eight 10mm (shank diameter) bolts that get torqued to 44 lb/ft, That seemed really low considering the number and size of the bolts. I reused. Similar with rears.

Over the years, I've generally seen the bolt replacement requirements in torque-to-yield situations. I've religiously applied the replacement rule in those cases. Other places like brake caliper bolts on roadracing motorcycles where the calipers are coming off and going on like neon signs - generally not. Subie seems to take the approach that "if you turn the bolt or nut, replace it." I chalk it up to litigation paranoia, but ... Thanks for the input.

"Of course, iffen you are going to torque them down till they twist off, you would have to replace them - :rolleyes:".

(sorry folks, I told Bubba to stay away from my computer).

:iono:

Sapphireho 02-08-2021 01:08 AM

Yes and no.

Depends on the situation

humfrz 02-08-2021 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3405123)
Yes and no.

Depends on the situation

:slap: You planning and practicing on running for a political office?

Sapphireho 02-08-2021 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3405143)
:slap: You planning and practicing on running for a political office?



definitely maybe.

bcj 02-08-2021 11:39 AM

Ho for HOA nosy parker!

D20Z 02-08-2021 12:15 PM

Yes and especially under warranty.

CSG Mike 02-08-2021 06:14 PM

Yes, almost always.

anticubus 02-08-2021 06:51 PM

If I don't it's because I missed something in the parts list and I don't have unlimited time to take care of it.

Except when it's a heat shield on the matrix. Those are held on by coat hangers and some rope where it's not too close to the exhaust.

Ultramaroon 02-08-2021 10:37 PM

If you're really careful scraping off the sealant, you can reuse it.

Tcoat 02-09-2021 03:54 PM

They make new nuts and bolts?

Capt Spaulding 02-09-2021 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3405112)
"Of course, iffen you are going to torque them down till they twist off, you would have to replace them - :rolleyes:".

(sorry folks, I told Bubba to stay away from my computer).

:iono:

Yep. That was similar to cousin Leon's approach. "We don't need no stinkin tork rinchees. Just tighten 'er till she strips and back off a 8th of a turn."

What part of deep east Texas is Bubba from?

Grady 02-09-2021 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3405530)
They make new nuts and bolts?

Only for armatures. Seasoned mechanics have a bucket of bolts and nuts for every occasion.

Dadhawk 02-09-2021 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3405530)
They make new nuts and bolts?

Nah, it's like fruitcake, the existing ones just get passed around.

humfrz 02-09-2021 10:53 PM

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Yep. That was similar to cousin Leon's approach. "We don't need no stinkin tork rinchees. Just tighten 'er till she strips and back off a 8th of a turn."

What part of deep east Texas is Bubba from?

Bubba speaks highly of his cousins in and around Buna, TX.

:D

gravitylover 02-10-2021 02:57 PM

Are you trying to tell us that we need new nuts?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. If it's a stretch bolt situation I will and crush washers always get replaced but many other applications a bit of loctite is an appropriate solution. I've been rolling with this MO for a few decades now and haven't had anything (terribly) important fall off my vehicles.

Westen86 02-10-2021 02:59 PM

New lug nuts, every rotation. I take no chances.

bcj 02-10-2021 03:27 PM

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Tokay444 02-10-2021 03:35 PM

Critical fasteners are critical.

gen3v8 02-10-2021 05:32 PM

Well Lug/wheel nuts are critical

Ultramaroon 02-10-2021 11:13 PM

Weld nuts should never be reused.

86MLR 02-11-2021 04:14 AM

Typically I use new fasteners when I've lost the originals

Or, I replace them with cable ties, or ducr tape

If, by chance, I have not lost said fasteners, I do use one of the 3 variants of locktite I have on the shelf

And always with the help of my trusty torque wrenches, both of which, have never actually been properly calibrated, apart from my firm belief in hopes and dreams

Unless head bolts, I always play the new game with head bolts, typically, disclaimer: above mentioned, uncalibrated torque wrenches are used with head bolts, just like every other fasteners that I can find a value or procedure for

My cars and bikes are typically held together with hopes and dreams typically

Capt Spaulding 02-11-2021 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3405635)
Bubba speaks highly of his cousins in and around Buna, TX.

:D

Buna is like a suburb of Vidor. Lots of, "interesting," people in Vidor.

humfrz 02-11-2021 01:27 PM

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Buna is like a suburb of Vidor. Lots of, "interesting," people in Vidor.

I can imagine ......... :eyebulge:

Tokay444 02-12-2021 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by gen3v8 (Post 3405788)
Well Lug/wheel nuts are critical

They sure are. Thankful they aren’t marked “R” for replace each use.

Ultramaroon 02-12-2021 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding (Post 3405958)
Buna is like a suburb of Vidor. Lots of, "interesting," people in Vidor.

It's also an elastomer.


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