2020 vs. 2022 BRZ specs
 

Here's a quick rundown comparison of the specs known so far of the 2022 BRZ compared to the current (2020) version.

https://images2.imgbox.com/70/48/fSPfpbj8_o.jpg

You can add steering ratio too.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143273

The only thing I like is the engine. The rest is minor.

Interested how they estimate weight to that precision.

Each part has a weight spec. The sealants and adhesives used in the powertrain and chassis all have specs for amounts and location. Add it all up in the BOM. There will be variances, but they will be small in the scheme of things.


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I don’t believe the ubiquitous “they” are Subaru and therefore do not know.

https://media.subaru.com/pressreleas...s-global-debut

Scroll to the bottom.

Those numbers are from Subaru. The numbers are listed as estimated because the parts are not yet mass production and there might still be engineering changes between now and SOP.


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Well, now I’m a believer.

Any idea if the wheel PCD 5x100 will be be the same?

Thanks for sharing the comparison.

Has there been any word yet on the new gen's transmission and final drive ratios?

I'm not expecting huge changes, but I have little doubt that the larger displacement motor might bring about some changes to it's gearing.

Only that transmission has been "improved". So maybe a bit beefed up manual with short shifter.


They may go back to 4.1 FD with bigger displacement, but hope not. Anyway if I get one I will do 4.67 at least (if it will be aviable from MFactory or sth) ;)

steering ratio speculation seems a bit overblown.. that small amount of change is useless without knowing the diameter of the new steering wheel. that can radically affect how the steering feels.

i know people have been saying this for a few years but this might actually be one of the last "pure" sports cars with no hybrid propulsion and a manual gearbox. be interesting to see what happens with the industry in the next 10 years.

Could very well be. Commiefornia supposedly just passed a law that will ban the sale of new cars with combustion engines sometime in 2030 and idiotically Japan seems to be go along with it so we may only see stupid electric vehicles going forward in the next decade.

The steering wheel looks exactly the same as the current BRZ so it's very likely the same diameter, BTW.

Have any of the reviewers measured the bolt pattern on the wheels yet? The factory 2022 wheels look a lot like the GR yaris ones which are 5x114.3. Would be interesting if they switched it up to 5x114.3 for the new model.

Bolt pattern is still 5x100. I overlaid a photo of a 5x100 18" wheel on top of the new BRZ wheels and the lugs line up.

Japan lumped all the alternative propulsion together so hybrids, EV, and hydrogen are what they will be going for moving forward in 2035 i think.

So not just EV.
Besides, i think Toyota has enough hybrids and green energy cars to compensate for their green initiative that they can afford to pawn off some ICE vehicles to markets where the ICE bans arent in place yet (hence the existence of the Lexus IS500, which seems like its limited to North America and Australia)

I'd also like to point out that the official HP number f or both cars is actually 232hp, not the 228hp that was reported by Subaru months ago. Perhaps the 228hp is the euro model with the particulate filter?

Diff ratio?

Any information about CO2 Emissions of FA24 engine for BRZ second gen?

2020 vs. 2022 BRZ specs
 

228 is probably NA, Europe. Only Japan gets 232 cuz fuel & regulation?

Speculations are just fun [emoji6]


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Im curious about fuel economy figures.
Gas is starting to get expensive here.
Im not expecting it to like 87 just like the current one but im wondering if the fuel economy is improved.

Living in Europe,i'd like to know too.I hope it is lower than gen 1

The lowest you could get with FA20 was 159 g/km in combined cycle using a 3.727 final drive ratio. Lower CO2 with a bigger engine? I doubt it ...

We all suspect CO2 emissions will be higher compared to current FA20 engine but by how much? that's the question!:thumbup:

No information so far on this CO2 topic...even in the brochure issued by Subaru Japan (I do not speak japanese but in the page on tech spec I see no number concerning CO2).

https://www.subaru.jp/brz/brz/

As the new BRZ is supposed to be launched commercially in US, Australia and Canada by the end of this year I was wondering if some information was already available in these countries?

Do manufacturers put c02 emissions on spec sheets?

I don't even bother to look at the auto CO2😁

Manual was 181-180g/km (or 196g/km WLTP) and the new has a revised engine also a decade newer.I mean it could be lower but i don't believe it either.Anything above 200g/km(WLTP) would kill it in Europe if the 2400cc don't do it.

I wouldn't bet the new car gets *worse* fuel mileage than the current-gen. CO2 emissions varies with inverse of mpg (or directly with L/100km), so I would bet CO2 emissions are likewise similar to current car despite increased displacement and power. We shall see!

It probably depends from one country to another?

In France they do. See for instance for the new Yaris GR (sorry it is in French)

see video if you do not have this model for sale in US?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJLIDAMh3bo

https://www.toyota.fr/new-cars/gr-ya...ures-and-specs

Let's wait the official announcements. They are trying to homologate it currently.

you can try to extrapolate the co2 emissions and fuel economy stuff from the FA24 in the Subaru Ascent.

The problem is that since its turbocharged and makes 260hp the numbers could still be way off if someone managed to get the theoreticals off it.

And it pulls a much heavier car

I don't think you would be able to extrapolate (based on HP), its a different kettle of horses.

I would expect the CO2 to be similar to the current car, and based on that I wonder whether they're even going to bother trying to sell the car in most of the EU.

I don't know about Australia, but in north america no one gives a fuuuuuuuuck about CO2 emissions: People buy pickups and SUVs as a point of vanity and they can barely be bothered to care about the actual fuel economy, nevermind what comes out of the back! What goes on behind the car is for losers!

So no, that info isn't on the spec sheets lol.

It would be surprising if it's emissions exceeded the current Outback 2.5 (glanced from their UK site) at 193g: A slightly bigger engine with a less refined injection system pulling a much heavier car.

Don't you have MPG information in spec sheets?

The outback does 195 on the new test cycle. But it's an auto, which is typically quite favourable to MPG testing in the EU, since they tend to keep the car in a higher gear.

The old 86 did 191 grams per km, since the new one uses similar tech, is heavier and has a 20% larger engine, I'd expect it to be similar at best.

I would say that it will be greater than 200 g/km. There is a reason sports car segment is shrinking in Europe and specific regulations on emissions mean that manufacturers are unable to build a viable business case. For example, Subaru BRZ won't come at all (future of WRX and/or WRX STI is also unclear) and same holds for other cars like the Nissan 400Z.

Similar in Australia. Fuel economy is widely reported, but not really CO2. I’m sure you can find the data somewhere, but it isn’t something focused on, and is never mentioned in reviews (by contrast, EU and UK reviews always mention CO2 since taxes are dependent on it).

People are starting to care, Honda has had the CO2 emissions plastered on the select model page for a while now.

I think -especially with the increase in power the 2.4L brings- that there might be a market for a less powerful twin with the 1.8T from a Subaru Levorg, with a tad under 200hp and lower CO2 emissions. Not sure I'd count on it happening though, as this engine might be just as expensive to produce.