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Has anyone made a move from a high power/torque car to a FR-S? I am a bit worried about making the move. 150 ft lbs is pretty low. I did have an AP1 S2k that put out similar torque but was a hoot to drive. However it did put out 40 more HP. My current car is no slouch in the handling department so its not like its going to be an even trade off.

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I had a e90 M3 (had to get rid of it because wifey couldn't drive stick & has a kid). I got back in the game by getting an immaculate e46 m3. Yes power is down a lot, but it's still fun for me. I got it as a beater, but I'm surprised how much I like it.

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I came from a M3. Several before that......turbo M3, Z06 Vette, turbo 240's. Yes this car is leaking some power but driving it makes you forget about it. I don't mind it at all. Def not a car that is going to be out drag racing because it is by no means meant to do that. I do have plans on adding a turbo but only want about 250 whp out of it. Don't let that stop you from at least test driving it because it is what made me buy it instead of a new M3.

If power is a priority which you are looking for in a vehicle, I would not recommend the FR-S in that specific case. However, I've been taught that 'enough power' is subjective to each person... I personally feel that the FR-S has enough power for me.

Also, I spotted in your details that you currently drive a 5.0 Mustang... And if you're comparing to that beast, then you'll surely be let-down in the power department... But if you can somehow only focus and appreciate on what truly makes the FR-S shine, you will be a happy camper.

If you're still confused, I'd say hook up with a local FR-S owner within your regional forum section, and see if they'd spare a few moments and take you for a spin.

All the best.

If you are worried about the power being too little, you will be disappointed. Save yourself a headache and don't get this car, it is slow.

if u are looking for a drag racer then this is not for you

If you're comparing to an S2K, there isn't enough of a difference to regret buying the car. Hell I only slightly regret coming from a 2011 Camaro SS and 370Z, even with the power deficit I could see myself enjoying it with stock engine for the most part. You just have to drive it in the areas where it excels, which is the handling and steering input. I, however will be boosted soon so I'll have way more fun than I ever did with my Camaro or 370. But coming from an S2K you'll barely notice anything.

Is this the only thing people care about with this car? If you really want a fast car get a god damn mustang or something. I've always felt this car to have a perfect amount of power and it is far from lacking it.

got news for you; I came from a much slower car, a "91 Toyota Celica with 135 hp, and still have a "07 Tacoma. Although this is so much fun to drive in turns and has quick response, I personally know it would be sooo much funner if it had more power. I bought this as a Celica replacement to get good gas milage, so i'm happy. However I got spoiled. Going up a hill it sounds like it's going faster but appears to be going in slow-motion, even when down-shifting and stepping on it. Turns are awsome!!! but, eventually you come out of them and I find myself wanting more power.

Where I live there are tons of fun roads with all kinds of crazy turns. If I lived in a place that mostly had straight-aways, I"d probably go for something faster that got decent gas milage.

Most others seem to dissagree with this, but, my advise: TEST DRIVE ONE FIRST AND STEP ON IT!

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I have a friend who owns a B5 S4 that is dropping upwards of 800 horse at the crank, I let him take it for a spin with me in the passenger seat. He had a huge grin on his face for the rest of the night. He couldn't get enough of throwing the back end out. The car is so much fun that I forget about numbers when I drive it.

Real talk, numbers are the absolute worst way to describe it. The fun factor is out of control when you just throw it around and just go for a drive.

I went from a evo 8 to this and i find the frs more fun to drive.

I don't have an Zx6 yet (but have driven and AutoXed), but when I do, I would have been coming from a 94 Supra that made about 550HP, and I'll tell you what, I don't regret leaving the Supra a bit.

Of course, you don't have the force of Norse Gods under your foot anymore, but you have a car that makes you want to drive hard and try to tame without being incredibly irresponsible in the process.

A car that I can try to get 9/10ths out of will always be more satisfying in every way than a car I am afraid to drive at even 6/10ths.

I had a cobalt SS turbo with a lot of money spent on it... ~350 hp...

With that said, the lack of power doesn't bother me very much, but a little more torque would be nice. I knew what I was getting into tho and don't regret it for a second.

I go back to my '04 corolla when I'm craving some torque :bellyroll:

I came from an AP1 and haven't looked back. Although the torque numbers are about the same, the FR-S peaks lower than the S. This thing is faster down low when just driving around town. The power is more liniar, so you don't get that suddent VTEC kick, but it still pulls pretty decent up top. With full exhaust, you should be able to keep up with an S.

You have to rev above 7500rpm to get that 40 more hp in the S2000. You won't have a power deficit relative in 99% of real-world driving.

I'm thinking of an FR-S or BRZ to replace my AP1 as my daily driver as well. Not at all concerned about less power. Much more concerned about spending $$$ when I don't need to (my '01 S2k only has 149k miles on it...).

my VR4 made 375 Lbs Ft at 4000 RPM on the wheels......with bigger turbos upgrade. It is 450 AWHP now compare to stock 228 AWHP.

The 1000 RPM later Torque into the power range is So sad. Until 4000 RPM then I can enjoy driving it.

I have driven many other cars with high HP and low end torque...especially those honda civic and S2000, same with Celica. There is not much different that you can tell from a lighter chasis, but if you are driving a low end torque car, you won't feel very happy. The good thing I heard is that 85% of the FRS torque is available at 3500 RPM, which makes it 135 trq Ft. It is probably good, i never test drove one.

In my conclusion, the Torque is what drive the car, is what make your face smile, is also what make passing power on a high way, or out of danger.

I love Toyota, my whole family has like 6 Toyota vehicles from SUV to Pickup to Camry. I was Eagerly waiting for this FRS to come out, but I was disappointed when they announced the Specifications of the car.

I would buy it with no regret if It was to rate at 250 HP, and 200 Trq. But nah it was so under powered. There are newer Turbo system for after market and such. Also new super charger is reported to be on it way from TRD. Plus, the Release series of TC. I am more likely to wait for the Release series of FRS and the availability of the TRD supercharger to do

1/ insurance....
2/warranty
3/factory option, for no headache
4/review from drivers, and availability of after market experiences to play with it

I should have pointed out that its not so much needing power to have fun as it is needing power for daily driving like passing and on ramps. Test drives generally are not long enough to get a full idea how the car will react in different circumstances.

As far as the v6 Mustang comment. When I had my AP1 I had a 2007 V6 Mustang as my daily. It was great for a DD but certainly lacked in the fun factor. I would never recommend a V6 Mustang over what I would consider a true sports car in the FR-S.
I rented a newer V6 and it was just no fun at all. The Mustang is a boat and without gobs of low end torque its just blah.

Have had 6 new Corvettes over the years, the last one being a 2006 C6.

Have not missed the horsepower at all!:)

Had an evo 8 with intake exhaust and tune. Little beefier in the power department but to me the FR-S is just as much if not more fun.

I can wring it out without breaking 100mph in no time flat and getting pulled over

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This has been a pretty repeated topic for the past 2 years, plenty of us here are coming from cars pumping out 350+whp.

This car was specifically designed to contrast sports cars with power. In early development interviews the origins of this car was to produce the same performance and feeling of a high performance car..with none of the performance features. IE turbo and high grip tires, and AWD. The Designers thought that cars today relied on too much power and technology that sports vehicles today became "boringly fast", and a solution they found was to bring back an old formula from the 80s, back into the 21st century.

From my seat time in a few Zx6s and comparing it to S2ks, 350z, S13, S14, FC rx7, gen coupe, they hit their mark. Power is definitely something you should worry about in todays industry. But when looking at a FRS or BRZ..leave those thoughts behind you, this car is in a world of its own.

when people ask me how was it I say, "never been happier driving a slower sports car"

This car is perfectly fine in daily traffic. The power is plenty for merging into traffic and passing on the highway. The key, power-wise, is to keep it at 5K or higher. On-ramps are further helped by the cornering as you can carry more speed down them if needed. But so far, I have yet to go full-throttle to merge with highway traffic. There are tons of cars out there with less power, or worse power/weight ratios that handle daily traffic every day without issue. So I don't see why there's so much worry.

The only issue is "angry passing". These cars don't have the immediate punch to lay down a pass on a dotted yellow like a high-torque car. Normally this isn't a problem, unless you think the other driver will accelerate to prevent you passing. So you have to keep this in mind and be sure you have plenty of room to pass if the other guy might be an @$$hole.

i had a modded 2000 celica gts (not hating on your mustang) but i could take 2010 mustang GT's by about a car legnth 45-100mph

my FRS is slower but i have a LOT more fun in it than my celica and my celica wasnt a slouch either in the handling department

but the FRS does such a great job at everything it does, like going to the store = big ass smile on my face, every time!!! if your looking for something fun to drive... FRS/BRZ all the way man!

Was a little disappointed when I first drove it. It handles awesome but think it could still use a little more power. Nothing a turbo or supercharger wont fix for me.

It is fun to drive but still doesn't compare to my mazda... the mazda still wins the biggest smiles award