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Entropy 08-01-2012 02:47 AM

Weight Loss Potential Thread
 
I was bored this evening so I put together a weight loss potential list. Some weight losses are exact and some are estimated (erred on the conservative side).

I used this thread for most of the stock weights for comparison. Other weights are from threads on this forum.

I left out most of the miscellaneous <.5lb items.

All weights are total (i.e. wheel weight reduction is all 4 corners, not per-side), and estimated weights have a "~".

Code:

Item____________________________Stock___Aftermarket___Reduction
Battery_________________________29.6____~15___________~15
SRT Header-Back Exhaust_________55.5____38.5__________17
Agency Power Header_____________20.8____12.3__________8.5
RPF1 Wheels w/22lb Tires (4)____41.4____~38___________~12
Spare Tire & Foam (remove)______25.8____0_____________25.8
Tools, Jack, Hook (remove)______5.8_____0_____________5.8
Essex Sprint BBK (AP Racing)____61.6____41.6__________20
Rear Speakers (remove)__________?_______0_____________~5
Front Seats/Brackets____________82.8____~45___________~38
Rear Seats (remove)_____________22.2____0_____________22.2
Owners Manual___________________2.8_____0_____________2.8
Perrin Crank Pulley_____________4.9_____1.2___________3.7
Flywheel (n/a yet!)_____________20.6____~12___________~8.5
CF Driveshaft (n/a yet!)________24.1____13.9__________10.2
Windshield Washer Fluid Bottle__~7______0_____________~7

This list puts us near a 200lb reduction, while still remaining 100% daily driveable. I understand there are some more serious mods for reducing weight, such as stripping the interior or gutting the AC, but for now I'm trying to keep most of the comforts of owning a brand new car.

Post up and I'll add to the list when I can! I know there is more un-needed weight that can be lost!

Sources:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7881
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=11
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...62&postcount=1
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...63&postcount=7
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...99&postcount=4
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...84&postcount=1
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...97&postcount=2
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...67&postcount=3
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=31
http://www.enkei.com/size_chart/RPF1.pdf
http://fecompetition.wordpress.com/
http://www.essexpartsblog.com/news/b...-shaves-10-lbs
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18364

Captain Snooze 08-01-2012 03:28 AM

Windscreen washer fluid. approx 7 pounds.
http://fecompetition.wordpress.com/

JRitt 08-01-2012 09:54 AM

Nice post, thanks.:thumbsup:
You were definitely a bit conservative on your battery weight loss potential. We were able to knock 25 lbs. off with current lithium-ion technology, while still maintaining 100% daily utility. :D Finding that extra 10lbs. elsewhere without impacting usability will probably not be super easy.

TSLRich 08-01-2012 09:57 AM

Your calc is off on the wheels... 41-38 is 3, not 12.

ZDan 08-01-2012 10:11 AM

3x4=12

7thgear 08-01-2012 10:43 AM

do the seats have airbags in them?

if yes, does removing them affect the functionality of the airbag system?

JohnATL 08-01-2012 11:00 AM

What are the lowest pulse cranking amps and amps/hour reserve to keep this a daily driver?

Entropy 08-01-2012 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze (Post 351539)
Windscreen washer fluid. approx 7 pounds.
http://fecompetition.wordpress.com/

Didn't think about that one. That's something that I've removed or hasn't worked on my past cars. Not a problem for DD unless your driving on roads with lots of sand/grit (i.e. snowy roads that have melted!). Thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRitt (Post 351877)
Nice post, thanks.:thumbsup:
You were definitely a bit conservative on your battery weight loss potential. We were able to knock 25 lbs. off with current lithium-ion technology, while still maintaining 100% daily utility. :D Finding that extra 10lbs. elsewhere without impacting usability will probably not be super easy.

I have seen that battery and it is AMAZING! However, it's very much on the pricey side, which is why I went conservative with the number. Prices should eventually come down, though, like they do for just about all new-tech items :)

JohnATL 08-01-2012 11:26 AM

Braille has a few lightweight batteries for much less. I'm just not sure if they're any good. Anyone have any experience with them?

http://www.braillebattery.com/index....batteries/b106

7thgear 08-01-2012 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnATL (Post 351974)
What are the lowest pulse cranking amps and amps/hour reserve to keep this a daily driver?

that would depend entirely on the climate of where you live.

JohnATL 08-01-2012 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7thgear (Post 352025)
that would depend entirely on the climate of where you live.

Between Hot and Stupid Hot.

7thgear 08-01-2012 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnATL (Post 352026)
Between Hot and Stupid Hot.

you can probably get away with just using a lemon and some copper wire

JohnATL 08-01-2012 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7thgear (Post 352036)
you can probably get away with just using a lemon and some copper wire

I think I'll try that Braille B106 out. At 6.9lbs and $148 it's worth a shot.

SemperFi 08-01-2012 12:36 PM

Taking a dump before getting in the car 5 to 8 lbs.

7thgear 08-01-2012 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SemperFi (Post 352183)
Taking a dump before getting in the car 5 to 8 lbs.

i have never shat out 8 pounds, holy fuck mang.

Entropy 08-01-2012 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SemperFi (Post 352183)
Taking a dump before getting in the car 5 to 8 lbs.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7thgear (Post 352186)
i have never shat out 8 pounds, holy fuck mang.

LOLing hard right now.

Touge Factory 08-01-2012 12:44 PM

love it..... 2.8 pounds - Owners manual!

Great job.

We did a similar post on our Evo X a while back.

Engine covers and intake box and little things adds up too.

7thgear 08-01-2012 12:44 PM

for all of you who are currently at the office

8 pounds is equivalent to a stack of 750 standard/letter sized pages, that's a huge shit.

Touge Factory 08-01-2012 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnATL (Post 352049)
I think I'll try that Braille B106 out. At 6.9lbs and $148 it's worth a shot.


Please note that CCA is important to anyone that will be driving this car through cold weather. Smaller batteries are great for weight savings.

Touge Factory 08-01-2012 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7thgear (Post 352206)
for all of you who are currently at the office

8 pounds is equivalent to a stack of 750 standard/letter sized pages, that's a huge shit.


:lol:

CBR600RR 08-01-2012 12:51 PM

Beer belly - 30 lbs

Jeff86 08-01-2012 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7thgear (Post 352206)
for all of you who are currently at the office

8 pounds is equivalent to a stack of 750 standard/letter sized pages, that's a huge shit.

lmao! I think I need to go to the bathroom.

SemperFi 08-01-2012 01:09 PM

I figured that would stir up something, but seriously has anyone thought about taking out the A/C unit? Its already a pretty crappy unit. I feel like its the same crappy one that comes in my Aston. It only moves air doesn't actually cool it down.

7thgear 08-01-2012 01:19 PM

i did that on my Subaru, saved 22 pounds

but with the recent heatwave i'm glad my new car has AC

blu_ 08-01-2012 01:21 PM

No McDonalds ~20lbs

ultra 08-01-2012 02:28 PM

Apparently aftermarket headers are worth 8 pounds, which could be nice since it's at the front of the car.

Source: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13011

Looks like a net savings of 200lbs might be feasible, although some of the parts in the OP's post wouldn't come cheap (the AP racing BBK and CF seats).

Miniata 08-01-2012 02:35 PM

The lightest readily available (at Tire Rack) wheel/tire combination I was able to come up with was the 17x7 Kosei K4R wheel with 215/45-17 General Exclaim UHP (ultra high performance summer) tires, and having them shaved down to 6 or 7/32 (an extra $100 at TR) would save ten pounds per corner, going from 41 lbs stock to 31 lbs stock for a total weight loss of 40 lbs of rotating mass. Or you could step up to a better tire like the Continental DW and give up 2 lbs, but still save 32 lbs total.

JRitt 08-01-2012 03:28 PM

Quote:

Looks like a net savings of 200lbs might be feasible, although some of the parts in the OP's post wouldn't come cheap (the AP racing BBK and CF seats).
Weight loss follows the $ per pound rule, especially if you want to keep the car's utility. As you take more and more weight off, it becomes more expensive per lb. I learned a lot about this topic going from a C5 Z06 to an NA Miata. Some of the Miata guys are nutters over pulling ounces out of the car...it's fun to watch people get creative!

xwd 08-01-2012 03:39 PM

Why not just use the original thread with the same data?

SVTSHC 08-01-2012 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SemperFi (Post 352262)
I figured that would stir up something, but seriously has anyone thought about taking out the A/C unit? Its already a pretty crappy unit. I feel like its the same crappy one that comes in my Aston. It only moves air doesn't actually cool it down.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SemperFi (Post 352262)
Its already a pretty crappy unit. I feel like its the same crappy one that comes in my Aston. It only moves air doesn't actually cool it down.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SemperFi (Post 352262)
I feel like its the same crappy one that comes in my Aston. It only moves air doesn't actually cool it down.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SemperFi (Post 352262)
I feel like its the same crappy one that comes in my Aston.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SemperFi (Post 352262)
that comes in my Aston.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SemperFi (Post 352262)
my Aston.


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wu_dot_com 08-01-2012 06:09 PM

The 10 lb flywheel may be too aggressive. I have a prototype light flywheel right now in approx 12 lb range, and the first gear takeoff is something to get used to.

Also the clutch is a massive weight system that can be reduce. It's heavy because it's needed in our design to damp out the excess vibration out stock flywheel cannot absorb.

7thgear 08-01-2012 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SVTSHC (Post 353030)

AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH

DA FUCK?

AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH :bellyroll:

SemperFi 08-01-2012 09:22 PM

Wtf haha,

Entropy 08-01-2012 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wu_dot_com (Post 353054)
The 10 lb flywheel may be too aggressive. I have a prototype light flywheel right now in approx 12 lb range, and the first gear takeoff is something to get used to.

Also the clutch is a massive weight system that can be reduce. It's heavy because it's needed in our design to damp out the excess vibration out stock flywheel cannot absorb.

Updated. Thanks!

Entropy 08-02-2012 12:20 AM

Has anyone here looked into removing/replacing the stock front and rear steel bumpers? I'm sure there are some serious saving to be had there...

hotaka 08-13-2012 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultra (Post 352531)
Apparently aftermarket headers are worth 8 pounds, which could be nice since it's at the front of the car.

Source: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13011

Looks like a net savings of 200lbs might be feasible, although some of the parts in the OP's post wouldn't come cheap (the AP racing BBK and CF seats).

But the weight is low. If we're just talking about weight and $, lightweight battery is better since the weight is on the front and high (although headers can increase engine power)

hotaka 08-13-2012 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Entropy (Post 353915)
Has anyone here looked into removing/replacing the stock front and rear steel bumpers? I'm sure there are some serious saving to be had there...

Won't it decrease car rigidity? Isn't that sort of a similar idea as drilling countless small holes through the chassis to decrease weight?

Entropy 08-13-2012 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotaka (Post 375890)
Won't it decrease car rigidity? Isn't that sort of a similar idea as drilling countless small holes through the chassis to decrease weight?

If I understand, they are there for collision reasons, but they might also increase rigidity a bit, too. I have seen one company that makes lightweight replacement pieces, but there are no weight specs.

And I wouldn't think that this is as hardcore as drilling holes in the chassis. Everything listed in this thread is reversible back to stock.

Captain Insano 09-09-2012 08:06 PM

Great list, thanks for all the info and ideas!!!!

Blue86 09-09-2012 11:25 PM

If we had major suspension components remodelled in lighter alloys then there would be some nice weight saving options. Cost wouldn't be cheap of course


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