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bsco 02-04-2019 11:30 AM

Car won't turn over
 
Anybody know what this issue could be? All the lights work, but it's like it's stuck in accessory and won't turn over. The only noises coming from under the hood is a buzzing.

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8RZ 02-04-2019 11:43 AM

Battery may not have enough juice to crank or bad starter.

bsco 02-04-2019 11:43 AM

I'll check that. I have a video of what's going on, but it's too big to upload it here, unfortunately

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Tcoat 02-04-2019 12:15 PM

Battery is low. The buzzing is the starter solenoid trying to engage. The lights work because they don't need near the amperage the starter does.

DarkPira7e 02-04-2019 12:20 PM

Just had someone who this happened to after they tried to flash a tune to their car that was for the incorrect ECU version. They had to buy a new ECU. Had you just done a reflash? This is PROBABLY just the starter, as everyone else has said.

Brz_racer 02-04-2019 12:33 PM

Check your alternator, if the battery is dead the alternator could be the cause

Sapphireho 02-04-2019 12:38 PM

Original battery? If so, maybe your 6 year old battery is on it's way out.

bsco 02-04-2019 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkPira7e (Post 3181701)
Just had someone who this happened to after they tried to flash a tune to their car that was for the incorrect ECU version. They had to buy a new ECU. Had you just done a reflash? This is PROBABLY just the starter, as everyone else has said.

Didn't try flashing

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bsco 02-04-2019 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3181700)
Battery is low. The buzzing is the starter solenoid trying to engage. The lights work because they don't need near the amperage the starter does.

It's at 11.85. I don't know the cca though.

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finch1750 02-04-2019 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsco (Post 3181718)
It's at 11.85. I don't know the cca though.

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That's slightly low.

Check what it drops to when starting the car? Under 9 and it's probably toast

bsco 02-04-2019 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 3181721)
That's slightly low.



Check what it drops to when starting the car? Under 9 and it's probably toast

Well it won't start, so I can check CCA or anything haha

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bsco 02-04-2019 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 3181721)
That's slightly low.



Check what it drops to when starting the car? Under 9 and it's probably toast

It only stays in accessory mode, but 11.5x is where it's at then

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finch1750 02-04-2019 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsco (Post 3181725)
Well it won't start, so I can check CCA or anything haha

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I meant when trying to turn it over. Vids and stuff are blocked at work so forgive me if you posted something and I'm way off. But if you have someone who can turn the key while you check the volts you should see what the battery drops to.

A normal battery should be around 12.5v iirc when off. And stay above 9 when trying to start.

bsco 02-04-2019 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 3181735)
I meant when trying to turn it over. Vids and stuff are blocked at work so forgive me if you posted something and I'm way off. But if you have someone who can turn the key while you check the volts you should see what the battery drops to.

Yeah I tried that. Car won't start, just go into accessory when turning the key all the way

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finch1750 02-04-2019 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsco (Post 3181736)
Yeah I tried that. Car won't start, just go into accessory when turning the key all the way

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I understand. The car doesn't have to start to check voltage.

Just take the batter to Autozone or something and have it tested then

bsco 02-04-2019 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 3181737)
I understand. The car doesn't have to start to check voltage.



Just take the batter to Autozone or something and have it tested then

It's about 11.85 when off and 11.5x when trying to turn it over

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finch1750 02-04-2019 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsco (Post 3181739)
It's about 11.85 when off and 11.5x when trying to turn it over

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It's at 11.5 in ACC and 11.5 when holding it to Start? It should drop when holding it in Start

bsco 02-04-2019 12:55 PM

Yes

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Tcoat 02-04-2019 12:56 PM

Boost it and see what happen.

finch1750 02-04-2019 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsco (Post 3181741)
Yes

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The easiest thing to do is take the battery down to Autozone or something to have tested. Otherwise troubleshooting just gets more time consuming and complex.

Because your battery seems dead based on the resting voltage and is the strongest battery ever when cranking. So I'd still start there.

Tcoat 02-04-2019 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 3181750)
The easiest thing to do is take the battery down to Autozone or something to have tested. Otherwise troubleshooting just gets more time consuming and complex.

Because your battery seems dead based on the resting voltage and is the strongest battery ever when cranking. So I'd still start there.

We get this same issue brought up every month or so. Nobody ever seems to want to start with the battery. Look at all the posts in this thread alone that are saying "starter" or "alternator". The results of these threads where it just stopped working are the battery at least 99% of the time yet people still want to try everything else first.


Electrical trouble shooting hierarchy


1 - Power supply
2 - power transfer (wires and fittings)
3 - Powered equipment.


Don't start looking at equipment if you can not confirm supply.

bsco 02-04-2019 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3181762)
We get this same issue brought up every month or so. Nobody ever seems to want to start with the battery. Look at all the posts in this thread alone that are saying "starter" or "alternator". The results of these threads where it just stopped working are the battery at least 99% of the time yet people still want to try everything else first.


Electrical trouble shooting hierarchy


1 - Power supply
2 - power transfer (wires and fittings)
3 - Powered equipment.


Don't start looking at equipment if you can not confirm supply.

Will do! Thank you

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RZNT4R 02-04-2019 01:36 PM

Holy crap people, 11.8V isn't slightly low, it's beyond discharged.

A 12V battery is full between 12.6 and 12.8, and below 12.2 is considered completely discharged. Below 12.4 it shouldn't even be load tested.

bsco 02-04-2019 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RZNT4R (Post 3181771)
Holy crap people, 11.8V isn't slightly low, it's beyond discharged.

A 12V battery is full between 12.6 and 12.8, and below 12.2 is considered completely discharged. Below 12.4 it shouldn't even be load tested.

Going to get it tested and get a new battery

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8RZ 02-04-2019 02:20 PM

As someone who just bought a new battery, go to the dealership. It was one of the cheapest and had the best warranty.

$110 with 7 year warranty.

Tcoat 02-04-2019 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8RZ (Post 3181796)
As someone who just bought a new battery, go to the dealership. It was one of the cheapest and had the best warranty.

$110 with 7 year warranty.

I find it hilarious that they offer a 7 year warranty on a replacement battery but the one that comes with the car is only covered by the general new car warranty.


I put a new battery in my car yesterday. The dealership wanted $180 for the stock one. I got a better one for $160.

Stang70Fastback 02-04-2019 04:38 PM

It's a sports car; not a Jeep. It isn't supposed to turn over.

Tcoat 02-04-2019 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Stang70Fastback (Post 3181898)
It's a sports car; not a Jeep. It isn't supposed to turn over.

Well it can. Once.

finch1750 02-04-2019 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3181903)
Well it can. Once.

One event. It can turn over multiple times in said occurance.

Tcoat 02-04-2019 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 3181905)
One event. I can turn over multiple times in said occurance.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/0c84...itemid=3410629

Ultramaroon 02-04-2019 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RZNT4R (Post 3181771)
Holy crap people, 11.8V isn't slightly low, it's beyond discharged.

A 12V battery is full between 12.6 and 12.8, and below 12.2 is considered completely discharged. Below 12.4 it shouldn't even be load tested.

I'm late to the party. ^^^this^^^


The buzzing under the hood is the servo motor in the throttle body. Normal.

Sapphireho 02-04-2019 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3181915)
I'm late to the party. ^^^this^^^


The buzzing under the hood is the servo motor in the throttle body. Normal.


Well of course it's the battery, but we have to go thru 3 pages of over-diagnosis. Might be the valve springs?

Ultramaroon 02-04-2019 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3181959)
Well of course it's the battery, but we have to go thru 3 pages of over-diagnosis. Might be the valve springs?

Ok, yeah.


OP, have you gone in for the valve spring recall? It might be that.

bsco 02-04-2019 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3182009)
Ok, yeah.


OP, have you gone in for the valve spring recall? It might be that.

I haven't gone in for that

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Ultramaroon 02-04-2019 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsco (Post 3182025)
I haven't gone in for that

We were JK. :D

bsco 02-04-2019 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3182026)
We were JK. :D

I know haha

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RZNT4R 02-05-2019 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3181859)
I find it hilarious that they offer a 7 year warranty on a replacement battery but the one that comes with the car is only covered by the general new car warranty.

This is how battery warranties work, straight from toyota's website. It's not a 7 year warranty, it's 2 years then you have to pay the difference between the "depreciated" battery and a new one

http://i65.tinypic.com/25zgf2t.png

Every aftermarket battery maker does this.

Tcoat 02-05-2019 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RZNT4R (Post 3182177)
This is how battery warranties work, straight from toyota's website. It's not a 7 year warranty, it's 2 years then you have to pay the difference between the "depreciated" battery and a new one

http://i65.tinypic.com/25zgf2t.png

Every aftermarket battery maker does this.

Yep they are pro rated but it is better than nothing.

bsco 02-07-2019 07:43 PM

Just got a new battery. Same issue, car won't start

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Sapphireho 02-07-2019 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsco (Post 3183407)
Just got a new battery. Same issue, car won't start


Wholly cow. What is it doing now? Did you have the other battery and your charging system checked?


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