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Dr. BRZ 11-12-2018 10:48 PM

Crackle pops during wot
 
As the title says, my problem is when i wot during high rpms, the car will stall and make crackle pop sounds. When it does that, it won't let me go pass that high rpm for example 6000rpm. The needle just keeps bouncing off at 6000. I cant redline to 7600rpm. I am fbo and tuned on e85. I have replaced the clutch switch and same problem occurs. Can it be the injectors? Or something else?
I have changed the spark plugs and heat wrapped the ignition coils.
Besides wot, the car drives just fine.

mswbrz 11-12-2018 10:57 PM

Is the rev limiter changed ?
https://youtu.be/EL50fh9-_9A


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Dr. BRZ 11-12-2018 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mswbrz (Post 3154447)
Is the rev limiter changed ?
https://youtu.be/EL50fh9-_9A


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I have it at 7300rpm.
I can't even get to 7000rpm.

86MLR 11-12-2018 11:21 PM

Stop doing it and get it on a dyno for some diagnostics.

Dr. BRZ 11-13-2018 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 86MLR (Post 3154455)
Stop doing it and get it on a dyno for some diagnostics.

It doesn't throw any cel

mswbrz 11-13-2018 12:16 AM

Perhaps try reflashing your tune ?


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86MLR 11-13-2018 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. BRZ (Post 3154468)
It doesn't throw any cel

Maybe a coil, a plug, AFR????

If it's popping on throttle that's a bad thing.

Brz866 11-13-2018 01:12 AM

Could the problem be related to direct injector seals? They're known to make a popping/crackling sound when they fail.

Lantanafrs2 11-13-2018 11:27 AM

Bad fuel?

Dr. BRZ 11-13-2018 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Brz866 (Post 3154478)
Could the problem be related to direct injector seals? They're known to make a popping/crackling sound when they fail.

Thats what i am thinking and hopefully that is the problem cause if not, I'm selling the brz lol

Dr. BRZ 11-13-2018 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2 (Post 3154588)
Bad fuel?

No i dont think, ive been using the same gas station for years. The first time this happened was this year.

Dr. BRZ 11-13-2018 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mswbrz (Post 3154469)
Perhaps try reflashing your tune ?


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Tried multiple times and still happens

Brz866 11-13-2018 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. BRZ (Post 3154611)
Thats what i am thinking and hopefully that is the problem cause if not, I'm selling the brz lol

I would say the tell tale sign is if the crackling/popping is coming from under the hood and not exhaust. 2013s did have a known DI seal issue as well.

Kodename47 11-13-2018 01:03 PM

Is this recent? Have you changed the tune on the ECU recently? Does it seem like a rev limiter? If it seems like a rev limiter it probably is a rev limiter. It does sound to me like the OFT launch control or EcuTek FFS.

MCTeeJ 11-13-2018 01:31 PM

Start data logging, turn on all cylinder misfire channels, watch AFR

D-VO 02-08-2020 03:56 PM

No answer huh? Same thing just happened to me after popping an intercooler pipe. Limped home at 2000 rpm put the pipe back on, but now it won't go passed 5800-6000 rpm without misfiring. So far only tried reseting ECU because I thought maybe the trims went all out of whack. NOPE! Time to log.

DarkPira7e 02-08-2020 04:02 PM

@D-VO

This is an issue with a coilpack, guaranteed. I had this come up randomly recently. I replaced the top coilpack on the passenger side (following the misfire code it threw) and the problem went away immediately.

tomm.brz 02-08-2020 08:22 PM

log and check for misfire and look at injection DI end to spark, the value in ms at the rpm you get the problem, but I also think it s coilpack(s)

FRS Justin 02-08-2020 08:46 PM

If it was a coil or fuel issue it should throw a misfire cel. This is not happening so I would look at the tune and make sure. If you have a old tune that's for FI try it and see if it changes

DarkPira7e 02-08-2020 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FRS Justin (Post 3297720)
If it was a coil or fuel issue it should throw a misfire cel. This is not happening so I would look at the tune and make sure. If you have a old tune that's for FI try it and see if it changes

Just don't forget that the tuner could've disabled the CEL. Not that they should've but you never know.

steve99 02-09-2020 01:13 AM

Check it not an overboost fuel cut set up in tune, if map sensor goes bad it can trip early

jflogerzi 02-14-2020 10:49 PM

Car may not throw a cel but it could still misfire.... Check for dtcs. When I was dealing with a idle lean condition due to tune, I would not always pop a cel but it would log a dtc and car would drive wired till clear. What AFR are you seeing at WOT, but I would get your car checked by your tuner

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D-VO 02-17-2020 01:14 AM

@DarkPira7e I'm getting no misfire codes. Mine are all still enabled except for the rear O2 and MAP sensor SES because I'm using an OMNI 4 BAR MAP sensor.
@steve99 How can I test the MAP sensor? I'm logging the boost level with the MAP and it's still climbing as it did in previous logs. The only datalog line that I see changing is the timing; it drops by 1 - 2 degrees during the misfire and AFR's start going up to a maximum of 12.8. It almost feels like its hitting a rev limiter.

D-VO 02-18-2020 09:30 AM

Also, when the coolant temp is low (not sure the exact number) the misfire happens @4500rpm

jflogerzi 02-18-2020 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by D-VO (Post 3300033)
Also, when the coolant temp is low (not sure the exact number) the misfire happens @4500rpm

What's your oil temp at that time? It could be a built in safety feature put in by your tuner that under a certain oil temp the car is setup to pull timing and might simulate what you think is a misfire... ( After talking with my tuner I found out he does this) the reason is to protect the engine from seeing to much oil pressure which he has measured during the warmup process. They have seen as high as 100psi during this period which he said no Bueno. It also keeps cylinder temps down during this process.

Also are you logging misfires counts? He showed me a table where in the hire rpms it requires 20ish to long a cell and at low loads it's was near 90!!! Yikes [emoji1787]

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D-VO 02-18-2020 01:15 PM

Wow! Well I'm the tuner and I never programmed such a thing. When I get home I have to look at the log again to see the oil temps. Good call!

steve99 02-18-2020 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by D-VO (Post 3299601)
@DarkPira7e I'm getting no misfire codes. Mine are all still enabled except for the rear O2 and MAP sensor SES because I'm using an OMNI 4 BAR MAP sensor.
@steve99 How can I test the MAP sensor? I'm logging the boost level with the MAP and it's still climbing as it did in previous logs. The only datalog line that I see changing is the timing; it drops by 1 - 2 degrees during the misfire and AFR's start going up to a maximum of 12.8. It almost feels like its hitting a rev limiter.

Maybe test it against another manifold pressure guage.


Also make sure it reads close to 14psi or 1 bar with engine off igniiton on

D-VO 02-19-2020 12:37 AM

Ok. Maybe I can put the stock one back on for testing since the problem does happen right around 8psi

D-VO 02-24-2020 11:28 AM

@steve99 - So today I was able to reflash for the factory MAP sensor and drive the car again: This time the car misfired at 6000RPM again, but I got a p0108 (Input Voltage to high at MAP) at the same time. Going for a new 4 bar MAP sensor, but I don't understand how a MAP sensor can go bad after an intercooler pipe blew off.

Tcoat 02-24-2020 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by D-VO (Post 3302221)
@steve99 - So today I was able to reflash for the factory MAP sensor and drive the car again: This time the car misfired at 6000RPM again, but I got a p0108 (Input Voltage to high at MAP) at the same time. Going for a new 4 bar MAP sensor, but I don't understand how a MAP sensor can go bad after an intercooler pipe blew off.

Did you suck some steam up into the intake?
I blew a heater line on one of my cars and the steam it sucked it messed with all my air sensors since when the water evaporated it left a film of the additives all over them.

D-VO 02-24-2020 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3302223)
Did you suck some steam up into the intake?
I blew a heater line on one of my cars and the steam it sucked it messed with all my air sensors since when the water evaporated it left a film of the additives all over them.

Well it did suck in a boat load of hot air since the I/C pipe that decoupled was the one before the MAF sensor.

jflogerzi 02-24-2020 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by D-VO (Post 3302348)
Well it did suck in a boat load of hot air since the I/C pipe that decoupled was the one before the MAF sensor.

MAF cleaner?

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D-VO 02-25-2020 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jflogerzi (Post 3302364)
MAF cleaner?

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I had a second MAF sensor that I tried. No change.

Tcoat 02-25-2020 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-VO (Post 3302489)
I had a second MAF sensor that I tried. No change.

Connector look OK?

D-VO 02-26-2020 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3302504)
Connector look OK?

Yep. Everything looks good. I'm trying to find where that vacuum line that comes off the throttle body goes. I see it goes into the sensor under the intake manifold then goes up between the fuel line then goes back down underneath the car. I'm thinking there may be a vacuum line that popped off in the back of the car that I can't see or hear. I've been looking for a vacuum diagram online with no luck.

Tcoat 02-26-2020 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by D-VO (Post 3302872)
Yep. Everything looks good. I'm trying to find where that vacuum line that comes off the throttle body goes. I see it goes into the sensor under the intake manifold then goes up between the fuel line then goes back down underneath the car. I'm thinking there may be a vacuum line that popped off in the back of the car that I can't see or hear.

Here are the service manuals. There is a vacuum line diagram in there someplace.


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jflogerzi 02-26-2020 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-VO (Post 3302872)
Yep. Everything looks good. I'm trying to find where that vacuum line that comes off the throttle body goes. I see it goes into the sensor under the intake manifold then goes up between the fuel line then goes back down underneath the car. I'm thinking there may be a vacuum line that popped off in the back of the car that I can't see or hear.

If you did not clamp it down when switching to FI that could be an issue for sure.

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D-VO 02-27-2020 10:07 PM

So here is the list of things I've looked at or tried swapping so far:

Everything is clamped
Tried a new MAF
Tried a new MAP
Cleaned Throttle body twice
No vacuum leaks
Spark plugs are clean no fouling
No SES light or codes
Followed that vacuum line from the sensor underneath the intake manifold to the back; Still connected.
Car still pulls hard until the misfire then the RPM's will not raise any higher

A few weeks ago the misfiring was at around 6000 RPM, now the misfire starts down at 4000RPM. I only checked the resistance of the coils which gave me consistent readings but I'm not sure if there's anything else I can do. Has ANYONE else experienced this?

jflogerzi 02-27-2020 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-VO (Post 3303434)
So here is the list of things I've looked at or tried swapping so far:

Everything is clamped
Tried a new MAF
Tried a new MAP
Cleaned Throttle body twice
No vacuum leaks
Spark plugs are clean no fouling
No SES light or codes
Followed that vacuum line from the sensor underneath the intake manifold to the back; Still connected.
Car still pulls hard until the misfire then the RPM's will not raise any higher

A few weeks ago the misfiring was at around 6000 RPM, now the misfire starts down at 4000RPM. I only checked the resistance of the coils which gave me consistent readings but I'm not sure if there's anything else I can do. Has ANYONE else experienced this?

Can you tell what cylinder the miss fire is coming from? Replace that plug and coil pack and see if that fixes it. Use ecutek to log

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D-VO 02-28-2020 05:24 PM

I wish I knew someone with ECUTek to log for me. I'm using open source (ecuflash) with tactrix and SD card for logging.


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