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Eff 06-07-2018 02:12 AM

Alignment question
 
Hello so I ordered MCA blue coil overs and white line LCAs
Looking to set up the car for daily driving but also want it to have abit of an aggressive stance

What would be the ideal set up to achieve this? I’ve heard some people say 1.5 degrees should be the max while having others tell me I should go 2.0 all round, what are your recommendations?

I’m also thinking about dropping the car 1/1.5” to get rid of the gap between the tires and fenders (pic related) you can also see how far the car raised up in the first photo on the left side

https://imgur.com/a/1UpLBON

Thank you in advance

Mr.ac 06-07-2018 03:08 AM

1.5 is good enough for what you want. 2.0 is for race tracks. Unless you just want to look the part, which I assume that's all you want all show and no go. Then do 2.0 it would look the part but you'll also put more inner ware on your tires. So that's something to think about.

churchx 06-07-2018 03:14 AM

From OP description poster don't want anything performance related. Drop & camber for looks. But even from looks only perspective that in turn may change, depending on wheel/tire choice, if and how much camber is needed to get what he wants.
But even if it's for looks, he should be more clear/descriptive of what exactly he wants. Flush fitment? Or if his "agressive stance" means hella-camber? Or slammed to ground? Something else?

Captain Snooze 06-07-2018 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.ac (Post 3096153)
Then do 2.0 it would look the part but you'll also put more inner ware on your tires.

I have -3.2 deg at the front, -2.7 at the rear and don't notice undue inside wear.
Yeah, set up for track but I haven't visited a track in ages.*shrugs*

ZionsWrath 06-07-2018 05:20 AM

If you want to "look the part" you should get -3, -2 on stock suspension still gets outside edge wear on the track.

If you do mostly straight/highway driving any negative camber is going to wear the inside edge of your tires. But the trade off is worth it IMO

Just noticed you are running 9.5 wheels. Just do it by eye to complete the stance you are looking for then get an alignment to fix toe and match the left and right camber.

When it comes to looks and daily driving you want to set the camber to "looks good to me, doesn't rub when I drift up the KFC drive through ramp".
Set the ride height to "looks good to me, I don't pick up leaves with my front bumper, and my sub frame bolt heads don't grind on speed bumps".

cjd 06-07-2018 09:42 AM

I run -3.4/-2.4 and don't notice wear issues. I don't daily the car, but the majority of miles are highway.

If you never carve corners, it matters less - otherwise I usually say -2 to -2.5 front, -1.8 to -2 rear.

churchx 06-07-2018 01:07 PM

Wear issues aside (after all, camber don't eat as much tires as eg. excessive toe), grip of "track-ish" camber might be limited in winter / when rain, on loose grip surfaces like ice/snow/standing water/gravel, hence if camber isn't dictated for clearance issues of too wide wheels & tires or by some looks/stance reasons, it's better run more modest camber settings on daily driving for maximum grip.

smg1138 06-07-2018 01:15 PM

Don't be afraid of running a good amount of negative camber. I always run -2.5 front and -2.0 rear and don't get any noticeable inside tire wear. It's mostly bad toe that eats tires.

strat61caster 06-07-2018 01:20 PM

I started noticing inside wear issues at -4

It's the only reason my MPSS are going to just barely miss the 20k mile mark.

tyler_win_photo 06-07-2018 03:18 PM

It really depends on your wheel size and offset. If you want camber for looks, you can't easily visually notice the camber until you get around -3 or more.

Eff 06-07-2018 07:35 PM

Thanks for the input everyone i really appreciate it because im not very familiar in the topic, i wish there was more photos online of the differnt degrees in camber for 86's so i could have a look, i think im going to try and start at -3

whats the point of making the front more cambered then the rear i see alot of people doing it?

FirstWinter 06-07-2018 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Eff (Post 3096423)
whats the point of making the front more cambered then the rear i see alot of people doing it?

This platform uses a MacPherson strut for front suspension which loses camber under load. You'll see most guys who do AutoX, HPDE, etc run more camber up front to help with this. As for the rear the multi-link suspension gains camber under load from what I understand as well so it isn't as much of an issue. Thus why you see the common formula of more front camber than rear.

Eff 06-07-2018 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FirstWinter (Post 3096425)
This platform uses a MacPherson strut for front suspension which loses camber under load. You'll see most guys who do AutoX, HPDE, etc run more camber up front to help with this. As for the rear the multi-link suspension gains camber under load from what I understand as well so it isn't as much of an issue. Thus why you see the common formula of more front camber than rear.

ahhh i see thank you, so i should probably run something like -3.5 front -3 rear?

smg1138 06-07-2018 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Eff (Post 3096429)
ahhh i see thank you, so i should probably run something like -3.5 front -3 rear?


That's probably too much in the rear. The track setups I've seen are usually around -3.5 front -2.5 rear. I would only run that much on a dedicated track car though.

Eff 06-07-2018 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by smg1138 (Post 3096437)
That's probably too much in the rear. The track setups I've seen are usually around -3.5 front -2.5 rear. I would only run that much on a dedicated track car though.

do you have a photo of your car on -2.5 front an 2.0 just so i can get an idea of what the regular amount looks like :)

smg1138 06-07-2018 09:12 PM

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Here you go. This is -2.5 front -2.0 rear with a -1.5" drop. IMO a very good setup for street, autocross and occasional HPDE stuff.

ZionsWrath 06-07-2018 09:51 PM

Lold at trying to show camber while car is under cornering load xD

Eff 06-07-2018 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by smg1138 (Post 3096446)
Here you go. This is -2.5 front -2.0 rear with a -1.5" drop. IMO a very good setup for street, autocross and occasional HPDE stuff.

do you have a photo of the front and back while its just sitting? clean looking car though man looks good

smg1138 06-07-2018 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ZionsWrath (Post 3096456)
Lold at trying to show camber while car is under cornering load xD


That's the only pic I had handy to post. Fuck me for trying to help.

ZionsWrath 06-07-2018 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by smg1138 (Post 3096458)
That's the only pic I had that I had handy to post. Fuck me for trying to help.

I wasnt attacking you man, :(

FirstWinter 06-07-2018 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Eff (Post 3096429)
ahhh i see thank you, so i should probably run something like -3.5 front -3 rear?

If it's for track/autox use I would set by tire pyrometer and driver preference. Certain tire setup, suspension, build, etc will require different setups. Different tracks will require different setup as well but most people compromise and run the same settings for multiple uses.

Eff 06-07-2018 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FirstWinter (Post 3096461)
If it's for track/autox use I would set by tire pyrometer and driver preference. Certain tire setup, suspension, build, etc will require different setups. Different tracks will require different setup as well but most people compromise and run the same settings for multiple uses.

yeah its mostly for daily driving ill probably end up going something more conservative like 2.5 in the front and 2.0 in the rear i just wanted a bit more of a stanced look but i dont want to go overboard

smg1138 06-07-2018 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ZionsWrath (Post 3096459)
I wasnt attacking you man, :(


Well, that's how it came across. Sorry if I misunderstood. FYI that pic was taken on a very mild bank during steady state cornering. It really doesn't look much different on flat ground. Not that I give a crap about stance, it's just the way it ended up trying to find a compromise for daily driving and autocross.

Captain Snooze 06-08-2018 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by smg1138 (Post 3096458)
Ozzie cvnt.

It has been suggested that Australia was the 51st US state but I haven't read before that NY was part of Aus.

ZionsWrath 06-08-2018 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by smg1138 (Post 3096472)
Well, that's how it came across. Sorry if I misunderstood. FYI that pic was taken on a very mild bank during steady state cornering. It really doesn't look much different on flat ground. Not that I give a crap about stance, it's just the way it ended up trying to find a compromise for daily driving and autocross.

Sorry if it did, i was just actually laughing because a few posts back we were talking about how mcpherson strut loses camber under load.

Anyway, to contribute to the thread i just took this pic. Im estimating -3 because I adjusted it by eye after my camber plate slipped and i havent got a chance to align it again. Stock wheel and tire with 12mm spacer to clear my brakes.

http://i64.tinypic.com/2eal8xs.jpg

NoHaveMSG 06-08-2018 11:03 AM

That looks like more then -3 to me. My car is -3F, -2R and my fronts are not that far tilted in.

ZionsWrath 06-08-2018 11:08 AM

Could be, i just set it where the marks were on the plates. They were a little more than -3 last i had it done I forget the exact number. But man it feels good when you turn in lol


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