Since it is a Scion :(
 

Just wanted to know how they sell their cars... either you cant even negotiate, or lets say if you buy from this dealer they will give u some rims for buying from them? if that makes any sense haha

best way to learn is just go to their website & read

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How does the salesman make money then that sucks for them

Are you having sympathy for the salesman? Who cares...lol, just take the benefit that it gives the buyer...:)

+1.
I learned from my friend who used to work in a Toyota dealer that they earn about 5-10% profit even they sell the invoice price. Dealerships are different.
I don't think we have to care how much they make because they are not going to lose selling every single current year cars in the lot.

You care how a dirt bag earns his or her money? Most salesmen I've met are liars and thieves. I'm not saying all are bad, I've had great experiences at Nissan Dealerships. The rest I would call stealerships.

As for OP, just go to their website man.

id also like to know how scion works since ive never had to deal with them...i priced out a tc just for fun and I see they offer accesories when building like springs, rims, nav etc. so im wondering does the dealer install these before you get your car and the labor is free or are you just paying msrp for these parts then the huge labor fee on top of that?! if they charge labor then theres no way id get any dealer options.

I wonder how ordering online works. Because I'm very likely to do that, unless there's a limited edition I can only get at the dealer.

I'm going to threaten the Salesman's family to have them lower the car to its "actual" MSRP. :>

Lol

Brutal...

One word, woman. I joke I joke.

If you click on the magnifying glass next to the prices of the options/accessories it says those are the installed prices, then gives a brief description and image of each item.

EDIT: That's from me looking on the scion.ca website btw. Not sure if the scion.com website is the same.

The process is pretty much "I want that one with X, Y, and Z" and "here's my money." No negotiating. At least that's how it was when my friend bought his first gen xB.

I have some experience with the Scion brand. I pre-ordered the tC 3 months before release and owned one of the first arrivals to the area.

Don't worry about the sales guys - they make their money. They are actually more relaxed because they know what they're making off the car. This makes the process easier on you. I asked my salesman how he liked moving over to the Scion side of the dealership (sold Toyotas originally) and he was very happy with it. There was not as much to make off of each sale but the price point made them sell like hotcakes and it was more of a steady income.

Pre-ordering was easy. Once Scion released the pricing I went to the dealer, asked for estimated delivery dates and what they expected for allocation and put $100 on the spec. I insisted it was a manual and could be black or the gray color (I think it was flint mica or something at the time). He called me while they were unloading the truck, he had one of each and I took the flint mica.

Purchasing was easy. Since there was no price negotiations that meant that they couldn't jack up the price based on availability like some do. I was in and out of finance in an hour (you still need to pay attention in the finance office!). They were still detailing them so I had to wait another 30 minutes or so, shooting the sh!t with the sales guys.

I know many worry about this thing being a Scion, but I was very happy with the experience. If the timing works out I plan to pre-order again.

When the 2011 tC came out I went to check out one and was not overly happy with the head room, but otherwise was drooling. It's a nice car. Anyway I talked with the sales guy there for at least 20 minutes and he was super cool. I may still get a tC but have my heart set on the FR-S.

Not to get too off topic since there are other threads about it, but the headroom in the FR-S will be interesting. The MKIII is the shortest and it is still expected to have a 2+2 set up.

My only beef with the tC was the all glass roof... it made a popping sound every time you went over a small bump. It was the reason I eventually traded it in. I don't know if they ever addressed it but if they do that to the FR-S :thumbdown:

Otherwise - fit and finish - its great for the price and the 4 banger is somewhat peppy.

I can't see the glass roof being a great idea in the area I live in. (Phoenix)

Yeah I'm in FL, but it wasn't too terrible. I just wasn't all that comfortable with glass plates shifting above my head as I drive down the road.

I can live with fixed *CONVENTIONAL* roof.

I do like sunroofs though. But I'm willing to give up on one for the FT-86 if there isn't a model with one.

If there is though... I might be tempted to get one.

I really like the tilt + air vents open. That way no fan is needed!

Yup same here... I really miss having a sunroof!

Not directly at you bofa, but more at anyone in general. Is it true that a sunroof negatively affects rigidity of the car or is the urban legend?

It's B.S..

Sunroofs do not weaken the structure. Glass is simply filling empty space where the structure wasn't located anyway.

There's a moron on the VW forums that swears to God that a sunroof will murder your children, but refuses to accept the fact that there's no difference in rollover safety rating by the NHTSA between cars with and w/out sunroofs.

It's all about FEA and not about irrational fear.

I can only see it being a factor if the roof has an X beam across the top to make it more rigid. I doubt that happens though, to save weight and cost.

But usually on cars that have sunroof models, the roof is simply an empty square with the borders being the reinforced parts. (You can confirm by removing your headliner)

If anything, having the extra metal and workings on the top may bolster it?

I doubt it. Think of it this way... there's no real different in the frame of the car with or without the sunroof. Bring back the targa tops imo.

^except for weight difference. sunroof is nice... but too damn heavy imo

I wonder what sort of weight it adds. Can't be more than 50 lbs?

Plus metal is being removed.

Yeah I would say ~40-50 lbs. However someone might argue the weight is placed higher so it will affect handling due to weight being higher. Not sure about that since weight is minimal. :iono:

Good riddance to 40lbs at the top of my car, thats more than my spare tire.

Relatively thin sheet metal would replace the seals, hinges/tracks, motor, insulation, wires, and buttons. Ill take the metal and 40lbs off my weight.

I'm sure the floor mats and trunk mat in your car saturated with dirt add almost 40lbs...

I don't understand the complaint for a single item adding <100 lbs of weight. That's less that having a passenger adds. I'd imagine that having the fan on to circulate air taxes the engine more than the 50 lbs, or having a side window open creates more drag than the sunroof open would.


But I guess each person has their own priorities. To me, 40lbs or so is well worth the convenience and novelty of having a sunroof.

Plus myself weighing 150 lbs, I'd still be "faster" than the average American who weighs somewhere around 190+ lbs. heh...

@chulooz, I agree. If all else is equal I prefer not having a sunroof.

I think it's a great option to add.

I agree it shouldn't be standard though.

You sayin my floor mats are saturated with dirt? :paddle:

But for real... its just the fact that all of that weight is at the very top of the car (further from the COG) that makes it more detrimental to the dynamics of the drive. Similarly, the heavy bumper beams made to meet safety requirements are also a worth while mods that loose you around 40lbs.

I has a sunroof.

It doesn't make me happy at all. In fact, during the times I'd want to open it, as soon as I do the sunlight comes directly into my eyes lol. And it doesn't belong in a sports car.

The tilt is definitely cool tho. If toyota/scion could design a manual tilt only sunroof(to save weight), I'd totally respect it. But I wouldn't get one.

@chulooz I will def. be getting rid of those asap. BTW, any idea if insurance would ever find out if I got into an accident? haha

They are usually for incidents that are around the 5MPH range... Insurance probably wouldnt have a clue.

Sunroof= add weight and cost.
Like Blur said," it doesn't belong in a sport car."

Fully agree. Sunroof is pretty much a deal-breaker for me. My main point of hope the FR-S won't bother with a sunroof is how low all the concepts have been. Sunroofs kills headroom, and headroom is at a premium with low sports cars.

Final thought regarding sunroofs: if I wanted to feel the wind in my hair, I'd drive a convertible!

Sunroofs serve no real purpose other than to.. add cost to the car. -_-

Even with that thing open you feel less happening than your side mirrors.