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Shit Luck 08-25-2017 05:26 PM

Swap issue: No starter trigger
 
So I am swapped.
Standalone to run engine, canbus is integrated.
I used the factory harness for everything else, but I get no starter when I turn the key.
Anybody have any ideas?

DustinS 08-25-2017 05:30 PM

What are you using to trigger starter?

Edit:
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That is the thick white/blue wire used to trigger the starter. That is directly attached to the ignition switch (well sorta). You don't need to do anything other than plug it on to the starter solenoid.

If you are looking for "Switch Power" for you harness. You can use that grey wire to power a relay as the trigger wire.

Quote:

Okay, Found my ignition source wire. I am going to run a relay (possibly Fan relay 2 that I removed earlier) to power the Ignition source for GM harness. Using the Grey C/Open relay trigger wires (IG2) to trigger ignition relay.

If you follow the Grey wire that comes from IG2 and C/Open relay it leads to the ECM ignition switch wire (from what I understand that is what it is on the ECM). This is the end of wiring for my swap until the MRS Device arrives.

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Edit: Hoping this didn't come across as harsh, just not wanting you to hurt anything.

Shit Luck 08-25-2017 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DustinS (Post 2968376)
What are you using to trigger starter?

I am not sure what you are asking.
The entire body harness is bone stock, so the factory relays and stuff.

DustinS 08-25-2017 05:40 PM

So factory Starter trigger wire then. White with blue tracer?

Shit Luck 08-25-2017 05:48 PM

I have seen these write ups.
I intentionally left the stock harness intact to keep it looking factory and make the wiring easier.

Shit Luck 08-25-2017 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DustinS (Post 2968385)
So factory Starter trigger wire then. White with blue tracer?

Yup it's all factory.
Like I said all I have done is unplug the engine harness at the main connector.

DustinS 08-25-2017 05:50 PM

Should just be able to use the factory trigger wire then. So thick white wire, blue tracer. Will be covered with the black plastic wire loom cover with grey electrical tape. Has a female spade connector on it if I am remembering correctly. Make sure clutch is down when starting as well

Shit Luck 08-25-2017 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DustinS (Post 2968396)
Should just be able to use the factory trigger wire then. So thick white wire, blue tracer. Will be covered with the black plastic wire loom cover with grey electrical tape. Has a female spade connector on it if I am remembering correctly. Make sure clutch is down when starting as well

Yeah it doesn't trigger...

DustinS 08-25-2017 06:06 PM

Manual or AT car?

Shit Luck 08-25-2017 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DustinS (Post 2968404)
Manual or AT car?

Manual...
I am thinking some how the immobilizer is involved.

DustinS 08-25-2017 06:10 PM

Base FRS Right? Can't tell from your instagram lol. Don't think Base FRS had an immobilizer

Wiring Schematic

Page 86 has the starter system wiring. Triple check everything there. Really weird.

If you don't have the factory ECU hooked up, it won't work either.

Shit Luck 08-25-2017 06:11 PM

Yeah it's a base 2013

Shit Luck 08-25-2017 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DustinS (Post 2968407)
Base FRS Right? Can't tell from your instagram lol. Don't think Base FRS had an immobilizer

Wiring Schematic

Page 86 has the starter system wiring. Triple check everything there. Really weird.

If you don't have the factory ECU hooked up, it won't work either.

I have the factory ecu but not the injector driver that was on the engine.

DustinS 08-25-2017 06:15 PM

Injector driver shouldn't matter

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4334/...cc69c6e3_b.jpg

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Shit Luck 08-25-2017 06:24 PM

I have power out of the clutch switch....
I have checked everything I can think of.

Sportsguy83 08-26-2017 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shit Luck (Post 2968382)
I am not sure what you are asking.

The entire body harness is bone stock, so the factory relays and stuff.



You need to connect that white/blue wire directly to starter to trigger it, that's what Dustin is saying. That means you need to de-pin/splice that white blue cable and run it directly to your starter (please correct me if wrong @DustinS)


What standalone are you using?


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wooly35 08-28-2017 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83 (Post 2968737)
You need to connect that white/blue wire directly to starter to trigger it, that's what Dustin is saying. That means you need to de-pin/splice that white blue cable and run it directly to your starter (please correct me if wrong @DustinS)


What standalone are you using?


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Splice into the white/blue wire.. worked for me.

DustinS 08-28-2017 09:21 PM

I messaged him yesterday. ECM wasn't sending signal through. By-Passed the ECM and it cranked over.

I'm interested in what is causing the ECM not to pass the signal. I didn't have to touch mine at all and it worked. Glad he it it though.

kurty85 08-28-2017 11:22 PM

Request how you bypassed the ecm? Been working for many days and cannot figure this out.

Merc 11-03-2017 12:14 AM

I'm going to be starting an ls 1 swap this month. The car was originally an automatic (another reason for the swap). Going to a manual T56. Will I need to switch to a manual ecu?

wutsaiu 11-03-2017 03:32 PM

I got my starter working simply by using a jumper wire in the fuse box. Really easy solution, no splicing required. No safety switch though, turn the key and the starter cranks regardless of ECU or clutch state.
If anyone wants to know about this solution I can post a photo, I did it two years ago so I can't remember which ones I jumped without looking at it.
Basically you just bypass the relay that the ECU uses (pull it out and jump two pins) so the key switch is directly connected to the starter.

Merc 11-03-2017 06:19 PM

Yes please sir, I'm hoping this should work for an auto ecu as well.

wutsaiu 11-04-2017 07:31 PM

https://preview.ibb.co/kaSfxb/IMG_0031.jpg

Merc 11-05-2017 01:57 AM

Perfect picture! May the car gods bless you with a never ending tank of gas.

zakman16 11-19-2019 04:02 PM

can someone please explain how to do this im having this issue with a stock fa20 in a brz?

wparsons 11-20-2019 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zakman16 (Post 3276720)
can someone please explain how to do this im having this issue with a stock fa20 in a brz?


Your issue won't be anything like the original post... I would start a new topic, not in the engine swap section.

Tcoat 11-20-2019 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 3276921)
Your issue won't be anything like the original post... I would start a new topic, not in the engine swap section.

He already did.


https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...00#post3275400


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