Product for better heel and toe
 

Hey, i dont know if it's related to this sub- forum but i didnt know where to ask it. For easier heel and toe, I rather buy gas pedal extension like this:
http://www.subispeed.com/billet-alum...5-sti-2013-brz
Or spacer like this:
http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/velo...-s-brz-86.html
Together i think that it will be to radical setup...
Thanks a lot!


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What problems are you having with heel and toe shifting? Would it be more beneficial to bring the gas pedal closer to you or make it wider so it's closer to the brake pedal? And there's no reason you couldn't do both; just make sure to identify the specific issue so you can correct it instead of throwing random parts at it.

If you can't do heel/toe properly on this car without modifying the pedals, you are doing it wrong.

-alex

I can do it. But my foot slip off the pedal often.

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You need driving boots/shoes.

My two cents: you can definitely heel-toe in the stock configuration but there is a lot of room for improvement in the layout of things. I got the Cusco gas pedal and while it's helped, I still want a pedal base extender like you linked, too bad it's a bit pricey. I personally prefer all three pedals on the same plane or close to it. Another thing that would help is a more sensitive throttle pedal/better throttle response.

Menashe123: My advise would be to get that Velox's spacer. I have one that moves pedal position to somewhat similar extent, but Velox's is cheaper & has some extra adjustment range if needed. With stock gas pedal & pedal i find it perfect for H&T. While ago i also had replacement gas pedal, that was angled, had to remove it, as that + spacer = pedal too close to brakes. While aftermarket pedals fix distance to brake pedal, they do nothing with pedal height (gas pedal on ours is imho a bit too low relative clutch & brake pedals). So from what i tried, spacer did best, and i'd use it w/o aftermarket wider pedals.

Mav1178: i could blip with everything stock. But it was PITA. I find it very reasonable to optimise pedal position for more comfortable use vs one, that was directed by "sticking mats & unintended acceleration lawsuits". People change seats, steering wheel, shifter to ones that make driving better for them .. why not pedals too?

I can't heel toe worth a damn in this car under reasonable braking. I have to be close to ABS to get the pedals close enough together. And even then I have my foot closer to the edge of the brake PED than I am comfortable with.

I am going to try to adjust throttle a little closer and stiff if that helps. If not, I will be getting one of the wider pedals.

I use cusco gas pedal and my problem was solved and its cheap

Might be a 2016 or 2017 though. From what I've heard/know (I have a 17 myself) the gas pedal is further down than the brake pedal so it makes heel toeing more difficult than earlier MY's.

You can adjust the brake pedal height. I moved mine lower. Not to heel toe but because it felt high.

I can just as easily heel-toe in my size 10.5 steel toe work boots as I can in sneakers. And that's in the full range of braking.
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Yeah, I haven't had any problems, I drive in Adidas Beckenbauers All round, Dr Marten shoes and occasionally in Redwing boots (but no twisting of ankles).. when I had my Caterham I had to drive in skinny sneakers Converse types as the footwell is really tight leading to a very close set of pedals.

Well, yes and no. Under heavy braking, which is technically when heel and toe is desirable, the brake pedal is close to where it needs to be for easy heel and toe. However, anything less than that and the brake pedal really is "too high" for a smooth throttle application. In reality the accelerator pedal is just too far away from the brake pedal. The clutch pedal is too high also but that's an unrelated issue and easy to fix.

If you had owned a sporting manual shift European car designed before those idiot blue rinse ladies rammed their cadillacs into the drug store window and blamed the car for getting away from them you'd know that no new car has pedals spaced correctly.

All road cars sold in North America since the unintended acceleration debacle have the accelerator pedal positioned too far away from the brake pedal, whether automatic or manual. Very annoying.

I used to have trouble reaching over to the accelerator pedal for heel-toe, especially if I wasn't in heavy braking. It could be done, but I often had to really exaggerate the motion to get a good blip in. The accelerator pedal just felt like it was in too deep most of the time to actuate, even with my foot positioned upward and toward the right of the brake pedal center. I have average feet and I wear pretty close-fitting shoes (size 8.5, Vans Authentic).

I bit the bullet, bought, and installed the Cusco Sports Accelerator Pedal. It was a good compromise in price and didn't require drilling. The changes were subtle (about 1/8" depth, 1/4" length, and 3/8" width) but very effective for me. It's really the extra width that made the difference. Heel-toe feels much more natural and consistent. My friend (who also owns an FR-S) didn't believe me until he tried it for himself. I have only one complaint: since the pedal is a little longer now, I can't slide my foot easily underneath the pedal to stretch or rest while in cruise control.

Some recommend against installing a spacer to raise the pedal significantly. When you're in deep braking, the accelerator might be too high for you to comfortably actuate depending on how much you are depressing the brake pedal. Here, preference and comfort are key.

https://i.imgur.com/Dd5qBdO.jpg

I had both of those options, although not from those manufacturers they were the same exact thing.

My opinion is get the pedal extension first then the spacer.

I had the pedal extension first and it was great, later I got the spacer and it was too much. Maybe I just got used to the extended pedal but the spacer brought the gas pedal up way too much. Great for heel and toe around town but under hard braking I found myself over revving due to the gas pedal being so high once the brake was pushed hard.

I think you and your body can adapt to the placement of these pedals. However, have you tried a mix of double clutch and rev matching? I ask because the more I got used to doing double clutch and rev match, heel and toe got much easier to do.. Just my .02 cents

What would be the reason of double clutching on our cars? Isn't it rendered pointless from having synchronizers, at least as far as my knowledge there is no reason to double clutch a modern transmission.

I use double clutching or rev match to engine break as a means of slowing down without having to apply the brakes...Only time I would heel and toe is when I need to slow down pretty quickly and efficiently.

As far as saving the synchros, I was reading that it doesn't hurt to double clutch. But whatevs, I do these for the enjoyment of driving my car lol. I was just giving my .02

I just installed the verlox Throttle space kit. Moves the throttle pedal up and close to the brake pedal. It is all adjustable. I really like it. Makes heel toe a lot easier. I would recommend it.

Have you ever downshifted and just dropped the clutch? Or slowly release the clutch? There's definitely a difference in momentum...

Yes I know and understand how to downshift. Just have never heard of anyone double clutching to do it. If you rev match precisely enough just dropping the clutch is still as smooth as butter. Obviously that takes a lot of skill to get it exact every time.

I was just confused when you said double clutching would help as I didn't think there was any need to do it when normal rev match down shifting or heel and toe downshifting.

I wish the pedal spacers were more affordable. I have the Cusco cover and while it is helps a bunch, I would really like the pedal closer to me, along the same plane as the brake pedal. I wonder if there is a cheap DIY solution?

There are multiple spacers, eg. Velox, PST and others, that relocate pedal closer to brake pedal and higher to driver. They cost more then pedal covers though and i have to warn that using those AND pedal covers might be too much, as imho summary result is too closely spaced and it's very easy to mispress two pedals together, so one is better using one OR other.

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Double clutching is pointless in this car.

The only issue with heel-toe downshift in this car is the fact that they set the throttle pedal down so far compared to the brake and that makes it difficult to roll the heel enough to hit the throttle with low brake pedal efforts. Because I've specifically practised it a lot, I can do it fine now but I've come to the conclusion that it's just never worth the effort. If I'm only going to be braking with so little pedal effort in the first place, I'm better off just doing a regular rev-match downshift early and then brake normally a touch later.

I disagree, I think the throttle pedal is at the perfect height for heel toeing while on the track. It may be too low for street driving because if you are being soft on the brake, then the throttle pedal is harder to reach with your heel.

That said, I heel toe every time I am down shifting while braking. It makes the ride so much smoother for me and any passengers.

I too heel toe on virtually every down shift. With the Cusco pedal, it's quite easy, even when not getting deep into the brakes.

I do wish the pedal was a little closer though. I see what @Subsonic is saying, but if it were just below the plane of the brakes I think it'd be better. The "tab" of the Cusco pedal kinda points down so I think it would still would be good. Idk, it's just a bit unnerving to feel to me to have my foot so far below the brake pedal during spirited driving.

All these pedal spacers are overpriced in my opinion. I'm not willing to pay that much for such a small thing.

When on track, heel-toe is easy because you push the brake pedal down far enough to make rolling the heel to hit the throttle easy. It's only a pain on the street because I don't push the brake far at all. Because I have such a hard time rolling my heel enough to blip the throttle, I'm smoother and more consistent just revmatch downshift early and then brake normally after.

I'll also note that my commute is such that I almost always have to come to a complete stop at every turn so a full heel-toe downshift just doesn't make sense for me. Once in a while I'll get a late green light where it makes sense to heel-toe downshift in order to catch the green but it's very rare for me.

Had the Velox / Verus adapter for a bit on my zenki. It really made it more enjoyable.
That + removing the clutch spring and adjusting the clutch pedal height make a world of difference to me.