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Bushhy 07-07-2016 06:00 PM

CLUTCH NOISES WONT LEAVE ME ALONE :(
 
So, im starting to think I am cursed. My clutch is making some noises, and im about to light my car on fire for insurance money(only kidding).



First noise. When coasting downhill, my clutch makes this noise:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvHOWQHfJG4"]Clutch noise? - YouTube[/ame]

I have no idea what it is. And im about to lose it



Next noise. When sitting at idle, in neutral, and the clutch in, I can hear a faint noise that sounds like something rotating. When I push the clutch in, the noise goes away. It is very faint, so you can only hear it with the A/C off, and the radio off.

Sounds kinda like this video :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWYD...ature=youtu.be

I don't believe its the transmission, because it sounds further up?



Any help that I can get would be amazing. Im trying to figure it out, but am lost :( Also, if its something that needs to be fixed, would it be covered under the Powertrain warranty?

humfrz 07-07-2016 06:22 PM

How many miles on your car..??

Any power modifications..??

I'd guess it's the notorious throw out (release bearing).

If so, some have gotten it replaced under warranty ..... some not.

If that's the problem, the good news is that its not an expensive part; the bad news is that you have to take the transmission out to replace it.


humfrz

Bushhy 07-07-2016 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2699439)
How many miles on your car..??

Any power modifications..??

I'd guess it's the notorious throw out (release bearing).

If so, some have gotten it replaced under warranty ..... some not.


humfrz


26000 miles. No mods other than the spring delete and clutch adjustment.

I thought throwout bearings only make noise when the clutch is pushed in? The noises happen when its not pushed in

humfrz 07-07-2016 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bushhy (Post 2699442)
26000 miles. No mods other than the spring delete and clutch adjustment.

I thought throwout bearings only make noise when the clutch is pushed in? The noises happen when its not pushed in

Since the TOB on these cars is an "active" type, as long as the engine is running, the TOB is turning.

True, that it is "working" only when the clutch pedal is depressed, however it can still make a racket when it is not working.

Where is @Ultramaroon when we need him ....... he's got a good ear for these powertrain noises ..... :)


humfrz

Bushhy 07-07-2016 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2699450)
Since the TOB on these cars is an "active" type, as long as the engine is running, the TOB is turning.

True, that it is "working" only when the clutch pedal is depressed, however it can still make a racket when it is not working.

Where is @Ultramaroon when we need him ....... he's got a good ear for these powertrain noises ..... :)


humfrz

Its starting to annoy me. I have had the car for less than 700 miles :(

humfrz 07-07-2016 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bushhy (Post 2699452)
Its starting to annoy me. I have had the car for less than 700 miles :(

Is the car still under warranty ..... ??

If so, you may take it into the dealer for an evaluation.

Meanwhile, stay tuned for other keyboard mechanics to render an opinion..... :D


humfrz

Bushhy 07-07-2016 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2699481)
Is the car still under warranty ..... ??

If so, you may take it into the dealer for an evaluation.

Meanwhile, stay tuned for other keyboard mechanics to render an opinion..... :D


humfrz

Its out of basic and only have powertrain now :/

Mr.ac 07-07-2016 10:15 PM

Take it in anyways. Make a fuss. Sometimes they might help you out. Just don't be rude to them.

weederr33 07-07-2016 11:34 PM

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I noticed a similar issue today.

When I press the clutch in, there is a strange rotating/ grinding noise. Same when I'm braking with my engine but at lower RPMs (<3,000). Again, it's very subtle, and only really noticeable when music/ A/C is off. I do have power mods, so I'm curious if it's my clutch slipping? Sorry for the noobness, I normally do plenty of research.

Bushhy 07-07-2016 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 2699680)
I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I noticed a similar issue today.

When I press the clutch in, there is a strange rotating/ grinding noise. Same when I'm braking with my engine but at lower RPMs (<3,000). Again, it's very subtle, and only really noticeable when music/ A/C is off. I do have power mods, so I'm curious if it's my clutch slipping? Sorry for the noobness, I normally do plenty of research.

My guess is you have a bad throwout bearing, and your flywheel is rattling.

The throwout bearing should make most of the noise with the clutch pushed in :)

Ultramaroon 07-08-2016 12:03 AM

OP, it's fine. When engine braking at low RPM, feedback from the engine rattles the disengaged gears.

Same for the sound you hear when it's in neutral. Google "neutral rollover" and you'll feel much better. Welcome to the forum and enjoy your cool car.

edit: Sorry, @humfrz. My brother and I took the sports cars and ladies out to Point Reyes to see the lighthouse. Fun drive!

weederr33 07-08-2016 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bushhy (Post 2699685)
My guess is you have a bad throwout bearing, and your flywheel is rattling.

The throwout bearing should make most of the noise with the clutch pushed in :)

Well it just started happening and just in time for the 50,000 mile mark lol. I'll be upgrading my clutch hopefully by the end of the year.

Ultramaroon 07-08-2016 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 2699707)
Well it just started happening and just in time for the 50,000 mile mark lol. I'll be upgrading my clutch hopefully by the end of the year.

Yes, likely TOB in your case. Why "upgrade" your clutch. Does it slip now? Be rolling in top gear, disengage the clutch, add a little throttle to rev the engine and dump the clutch. Does it take a while for the engine speed to drop or does the clutch grab right away?

I've driven with some sketchy clutches. It's pretty easy to tell when they aren't quite up to the task.

weederr33 07-08-2016 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2699710)
Yes, likely TOB in your case. Why "upgrade" your clutch. Does it slip now?

No, it doesnt. Just an added precaution honestly.

humfrz 07-08-2016 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2699696)
OP, it's fine. When engine braking at low RPM, feedback from the engine rattles the disengaged gears.

Same for the sound you hear when it's in neutral. Google "neutral rollover" and you'll feel much better. Welcome to the forum and enjoy your cool car.

edit: Sorry, @humfrz. My brother and I took the sports cars and ladies out to Point Reyes to see the lighthouse. Fun drive!

YIKES, ya'll didn't walk all the way down there did ya ....... :eyebulge:

Or did you read the sign and take a seat on the observation deck and attach a telephoto lens ...... :D

OK, if you say so ....... "neutral rollover".

But why doesn't my car have a "neutral rollover" sound ....... :popcorn:


humfrz

Ultramaroon 07-08-2016 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 2699711)
No, it doesnt. Just an added precaution honestly.

If you're using the clutch "properly" and it doesn't slip under maximum engine torque then expect it to live a long healthy life. Replace your TOB before it starts to seize and take out your pressure plate.

The stock clutch was specified according to the rated capacity of the transmission. It's supposed to let go before the transmission grenades under max torque.

Ultramaroon 07-08-2016 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2699717)
YIKES, ya'll didn't walk all the way down there did ya ....... :eyebulge:

Or did you read the sign and take a seat on the observation deck and attach a telephoto lens ...... :D

OK, if you say so ....... "neutral rollover".

But why doesn't my car have a "neutral rollover" sound ....... :popcorn:


humfrz

Path down to the lighthouse was closed. :( We took a selfie with it in the background.

I don't know why you don't hear yours. I hear it from every single twin I've driven or ridden. It is very subtle. Like the guys here have observed, they only hear it with the radio and AC turned off.

weederr33 07-08-2016 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2699718)
If you're using the clutch "properly" and it doesn't slip under maximum engine torque then expect it to live a long healthy life. Replace your TOB before it starts to seize and take out your pressure plate.

The stock clutch was specified according to the rated capacity of the transmission. It's supposed to let go before the transmission grenades under max torque.

Where do you go about getting a new TOB? I guess just the subaru parts store?

humfrz 07-08-2016 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2699722)
Path down to the lighthouse was closed. :( We took a selfie with it in the background.

I don't know why you don't hear yours. I hear it from every single twin I've driven or ridden. It is very subtle. Like the guys here have observed, they only hear it with the radio and AC turned off.

hmmmm........ maybe it has a frequency of some of mrs humfrz's conversation ....... and I just tune it out ........ :sigh:

Hey, have a nice vacation!


humfrz

humfrz 07-08-2016 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 2699680)
I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I noticed a similar issue today.

When I press the clutch in, there is a strange rotating/ grinding noise. Same when I'm braking with my engine but at lower RPMs (<3,000). Again, it's very subtle, and only really noticeable when music/ A/C is off. I do have power mods, so I'm curious if it's my clutch slipping? Sorry for the noobness, I normally do plenty of research.

Another way to determine if your clutch is slipping is to set the emergency brake, put the car in 2nd gear, rev to about 2,000 rpms then let the clutch out slowly ........ if that kills the engine ....... your clutch still has life.

Where to get a TOB ? The dealer would be a good place.

Are you going to put it in yourself .. ??


humfrz

Ultramaroon 07-08-2016 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 2699727)
Where do you go about getting a new TOB? I guess just the subaru parts store?

Yeah, or here's the rockauto listing.

http://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/s...e+bearing,1968

I think the SKF unit is the OEM.

weederr33 07-08-2016 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2699741)
Another way to determine if your clutch is slipping is to set the emergency brake, put the car in 2nd gear, rev to about 2,000 rpms then let the clutch out slowly ........ if that kills the engine ....... your clutch still has life.

Where to get a TOB ? The dealer would be a good place.

Are you going to put it in yourself .. ??


humfrz

I don't have the tools to take my transmission out. So I'd have to take it somewhere.

Ultramaroon 07-08-2016 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 2699883)
I don't have the tools to take my transmission out. So I'd have to take it somewhere.

Good call.

Tt3Sheppard 07-08-2016 04:14 PM

Been hearing all these noises since 30ishk, now at 75k. Nothing to worry about IMO.

humfrz 07-08-2016 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 2699883)
I don't have the tools to take my transmission out. So I'd have to take it somewhere.

Why, all you need is a few cement blocks, a couple of 8' 4x4s and a socket set ...... :lol:


humfrz


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