Trac cntrl light supposed to blink when off?
 

Just wondering, traction control fully off. When i hold the trac button don for 3 seconds. The correct lights appear on the right hand side. But when i get spinning the light on the tach blinks. Is it supposed to do this? Or is trac control still engaging?

Still be active in the background unless you use the "Pedal Dance" or disconnect the ABS fuse (no ABS then).

Search forums for "Pedal Dance" and read up about it.

Contrary to what some on this forum believe: The 3 second press does NOT completely disable the TCS & Stability control

:lol: What? I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that it doesn't completely disable the traction and stability control, hence pedal dance.....

Yes im aware. Just wondering if i hold the button down for 3 seconds if the tach light is supposed to still blink when im spinning tires

If only the search button worked, search threads for "pedal dance" get 6+ pages of threads, none titled pedal dance. Lol

Even with traction off, electronic breaks force control & panic mode is still on.


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Haha.... So the trac light on the tach should still blink?

I've never seen mine blink when it was turned off.

Are your tires the same size all around? I know differences in tires will make the vsc go nuts pretty easily.

Yah all tires are stock. The rear end lets loose as if theres the aids are turned off. But still blinks when im sideways

Have you got your car sideways? Haha

well tell that to @Ashikabi
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38681


I have had mine re-enable itself after being disabled.

yes it will still blink, untill you do pedal dance then you wont see it flash

link to pedal dance proceedure

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25494

my understanding is

each time car switched off\on trac\vsc is full on and pedal dance is reset to normal

push buttons (short push) puts car in sport mode where your alloed a bit more slip and slide before the nannies kick in.

long push turns off more nannies and allows considerable amounts of slip\slide but the trac lights will still flash to indicate slip\slide but the system does not intervene its just an indicator that slip is occurring.

However if the system detects your rearly out of control especially over about 60 mph it will still kick in even though its "off".

The pedal dance is actually some form of test\diagnostic mode but it turns off a lot more nannies and electronic diff function, but their is still a couple left on like ice mode even with pedal dance and it appears the trac\vsc is rearly off and will not kikck back in even if it detects severe loss of control

Thank you sir. Easy answer to an easy question. Hah

Why am I getting brought up? That thread is old

The pedal dance isn't necessary if you just want to **** around. Just do the 3 second hold, and ignore the blinking light. It will still allow you to do donuts, and slide around and do what you want. I don't even do the pedal dance for autocross.

Because you are one of those that believes that "disabled" means that it will not do anything:



When in fact IT WILL still respond when "off".


And you still haven't learned how to "quote" someone when responding I see.

I chose not to. If all you can complain about is me not using the quote function maybe you aren't old enough to be driving yet. Come back when you graduate high school

1 - I recently taught my granddaughter how to drive stick in my BRZ, based on your mature response, I am guessing she is about your age.


2 - Fuck Off (there does that date me better?) you were a prick on the other thread, and apparently you always are.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=82

I didn't notice an issue when I ran my car stock recently. ^

None of the other Twins I have driven over the years have shown this problem either. (Most of them were BRZ's, but not all)

I have seen drivers completly spin both FR-S's and BRZ's with no pedal dance.

I'm not arguing what level of intervention may or may not be happening with just the hold-button-down method, but the cars seem to respond to inputs without protest....even when those inputs are bad ideas that cause spins.

...and I don't remember any of the lights blinking at me when I held down the button long enough to get both lights on.

I have spun off with all nannies on, that says nothing about it. If you cant notice a difference with and without pedal dance, you arent pushing the car to its true limits but rather what you perceive to be its limits. It will kick in on "off" mode.

I have seen the "if you don't want/need/feel it, you can't drive" suggestion regarding the pedal dance. It reminds me of the children's story "The Emperor's New Clothes".

Like I said, I'm not arguing what level of intervention is, or is not, happening with the hold-button-down method. I'm saying none of the twins I have ran at the limit have protested. (With lights or otherwise)

The same way you havent experienced it, I have and many others have. It wont bother you, until you go over a berm at 100mph and the EBD kicks in and the car gets loose out of nowhere. Then you might hate it with passion like I have. Or maybe not.

Lol you tag me into this thread, bitch about old shit, then tell me to fuck off? You're far more mature than I could ever be

The OP asked if the light should blink when the nannies are turned off using the hold the button method. I have not noticed any of the twins I drove do that to me.

Regarding EBD.....I raced a 350Z for over a decade and I never heard anyone complain about the EBD on that car. "Ice mode" was a rare issue, but "How do I disable EBD?" Was a question that never came up.

Did Toyota/Subaru really design their EBD in such a way that it causes problems....but only for elite drivers?

If disabling ABS rquired its own secret Shoryuken combo, would people join that club too?.....and then declare that everyone who doesn't mind running with ABS are bad drivers?

Chill man, Im flattered that you call me elite but im very far from it. I speak from my own experience with it.

You dont need anything crazy to make those lights turn on with the button push. Simply do the 3 sec push, then do a redline clutch dump to spin your tires and look at your dashboard, MAGIC, the TC light in the center of the tach is blinking!

You want a more of it? Go to youtube and type best motoring 86gt. Watch as Keiichi Tsuchiya (namely kown as the drift king) races a bunch of 86gts around Gunsai Touge, he drives them with the 3 sec button hold (you can see both yellow lights on the dashboard) and yet, the Stability control light is flickering on every turn. Is it gonna kill you? No. Does it make you slower? Probably not. Wait till you lift 1 wheel of the ground while on the power, thats when things get interesting.

So to answer OP's question, the light in the center of the tach (yellow light with a car sliding) will turn on with traction lost, even if you do the 3 second push, it is the car's normal response.

So the video I linked is me, in my car, launching near the top of the tach....with no blinking lights.

I'm not sure what exactly causes the lights to flash but since I posted in that other thread from a year ago I have had the light flash during autocross but I didn't notice any other affects. I do not pedal dance, just hold the button for 3 seconds. Maybe it's different on the track or with better tires etc. As far as I can tell from personal experience, the light just flashes sometimes during slides but doesn't intervene

Do you or do you NOT believe that the trac & VSC system can respond when it is 'deactivated' or 'disabled'?

THAT was the topic of the thread.
You clearly believed (incorrectly) that it would NOT respond when off.

Have you changed your opinion on that matter or not?

I merely pointed out facts, and used you as an example of a person who does not understand the system.

YOU started with the insults first NOT me.

Maybe there is a difference between the model years/ software?

The only twin I got out of shape a lot was a BRZ I co-drove at Dixie a few years ago. The car's owner had an alignment shop set the car up with toe-out on the rear and the throttle was almost unusable with the back end kicking out like the car had 800hp.

He got the alignment fixed between day 1 and day 2, and the car was great then. However, neither of us noticed any blinking lights in real time or on the over-the-shoulder video we reviewed afterwards.

I have yet to have it respond with anything more than a flashing light as started in the above post. At the time of the thread I was mentioned from, I had never experienced any affect of any kind once traction control was turned off. And you started the insults in post 18 on page 2

While remaining on topic: I have had the system disabled with the 3 second button press and had it come back on and spin the car in the snow/ice.

During the spin, the lights were blinking and when the car came to a stop the VSC & TC lights were OFF (meaning re-enabled)

This thread has others' experiences about this topic (and more examples of Ashikabi being a prick):
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107910

BTW - on my car you CAN disable VSC&TC when moving at any speed, while others have questioned this.
Just a data point for noting differences.

It's very flattering how obsessed you are with my comments. Most people just let it go or forget about me etc... but you are something special. You are proof that my work on the internet is both noticed and will leave a legacy of butthurt across the world and one day, the stars. Thank you. Autographs are available for 7$. 5 and 10 dollar bills only, no change.

Mine can be disabled at any speed as well. Although when moving, nothing happens for a few seconds...then both lights come on. When stopped, the TCS light comes on the moment you press down and the other light comes on after a few seconds of holding it down.

Spinning the tires won`t light it up, Spinning out won`t light it up, but if you flick it aggressively or get bumps while turning and the inside rear wheel loses enough traction, it will dab the brakes to activate the rear diff like a limited slip... Only it would be better not to sometimes. The torsen works if both tires have grip, if one gets lifted, it works as an open diff. To counter this, the system applies brakes to the wheel with no grip to give the other wheel the power and also lights up the traction light on the dash. It can cause so weird problems I imagine at track speeds, and I think the better the tires, the more often it happens as it unloads the inside wheels even more. I get it to blink at 3000 rpm at 1/4 throttle on a street I turn on to everyday because of humps crossing the road.

I haven`t had a single problem while autocrossing with the 3 seconds button press, but they are 2nd gear courses only.

Doesnt happen from A launch to often its more so when im sideways around a bumpy bend or in a drift when i flick the car
. I have noticed it happen with many others on youtube

Your car stayed relatively straight that whole run. In relation to front and back wheels. If your tail was whipping out wveey corner like 45 +degrees i have a feeling shed have blinked at ya

This sounds like the most likely scenario. I actually had issues on the tail of the dragon with my STU 350Z unloading the inside tire enough to make the Quaife diff go open. (On some of the tighter, well-banked corners)

I totally get what Toyota/Subaru were addressing here. I may actually be thankful for it in some conditions. If/when it becomes a problem, I will look at alternatives that do not involve an elaborate routine, and disabling EBD. (I think I can remove the rear sway bar in CS)

If my car gets out 45 degrees, the run is already shot...and it's my own fault, before any electronic response the car might have.