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SquadRon 06-03-2016 11:01 PM

Is this bullshit?
 
Is there such thing as german engineering being better than toyota engineering? My friend drives a mercedes okay he has a point his engine is double the size of my engine, and that the porsche is smaller than my car and has a bigger engine too. Anyhow. I get it the FR-S is not all that but this is a sports car and the engineering in this car is far more balanced than that of a mercedes, right? I went inside a Mercedes and if I wanted a lot of horsepower I would get a charger then but seriously Mercedes is not that perfect is it? What's german engineering, seriously.

His car but with exhaust mods, and if you can guess what this car exactly is then you are an expert. Because I have no idea if it's an E class entirely, but I will ask him. What do you guys think this Mercedes, Year, Make, and Model is? By the way this is the car that I was sitting in.

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...2f&oe=580CFDE7

dvasqu01 06-03-2016 11:05 PM

Bro in before the lock and the ass chewing begins


Yes I'll give you the rice noodle😘

Teseo 06-03-2016 11:10 PM

Idk what he do, but i wanna that crap he is using

SquadRon 06-03-2016 11:13 PM

You guys have no clue what you are talking about. My question is details about the fundamentals of German Made Cars and Toyota Made Cars

Engineered by two different companies, and I believe he drives a Mercedes E class. But the point is does Mercedes and Toyota engineering have anything to do with the FR-S at all? Idk if you guys are really experts at this but I'll leave this for those who get what I'm trying to say.

themadscientist 06-03-2016 11:31 PM

To compare two cars obviously at different levels is unfair. Compare the E class to it's equivalent like a Lexus RC. I would put Lexus (Toyota really) engineering up against Mercedes any day.

It's not really anything to do with the FR-S. The guy is just an asshat. Invite him to follow the FR-S down a windy road. It's not fair to the Mercedes, but he seems to like lopsided battles so fuck him.

Mr.ac 06-03-2016 11:48 PM

Dude, pass that shit you keep smoking/eating
Or at lest share where you are getting it from.

mulekr1 06-03-2016 11:50 PM

He sounds like the average BMW/Audi/Mercedes fanboy I come across.

KR-S 06-03-2016 11:57 PM

I can't speak for how reliable Benzes are, but I seriously dig the SLS AMG as well as its successor, the AMG GT.

Also, your car and your friend's Benz are two completely different cars. On top of that, a new E-Class sedan according to the MB USA website is $52,650, almost twice the amount of a new FR-S or BRZ. For that amount, I would definitely expect the quality to be much higher than that of an FR-S or a BRZ.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. Opinions are subjective, and you and your friend clearly had different wants/needs when buying your cars. Don't let it get to you. Maybe I might want one when I'm older, but as of now, I see no point in buying a luxury car. My opinion, though.

SquadRon 06-04-2016 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KR-S 86 (Post 2670588)
I can't speak for how reliable Benzes are, but I seriously dig the SLS AMG as well as its successor, the AMG GT.

Also, your car and your friend's Benz are two completely different cars. On top of that, a new E-Class sedan according to the MB USA website is $52,650, almost twice the amount of a new FR-S or BRZ. For that amount, I would definitely expect the quality to be much higher than that of an FR-S or a BRZ.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. Opinions are subjective, and you and your friend clearly had different wants/needs when buying your cars. Don't let it get to you. Maybe I might want one when I'm older, but as of now, I see no point in buying a luxury car. My opinion, though.

Right, the drive in the FR-S is a lot better than that of a Mercedes. I went inside that Mercedes and he really made it seem as if the huge interior e class coupe was a lot better than that of an FR-S feel of the drive.
I told him I got the FR-S only because the handling is a lot smoother, reliable and responsive. I highly doubt his boat-sized E class coupe can match the reliability of an FR-S in handling.

SquadRon 06-04-2016 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by themadscientist (Post 2670564)
To compare two cars obviously at different levels is unfair. Compare the E class to it's equivalent like a Lexus RC. I would put Lexus (Toyota really) engineering up against Mercedes any day.

It's not really anything to do with the FR-S. The guy is just an asshat. Invite him to follow the FR-S down a windy road. It's not fair to the Mercedes, but he seems to like lopsided battles so fuck him.


I got mad because I really wanted a car that had superior handling. And I mean I knew it was bullshit the second I stepped in his car, but really? That car is nothing like an FR-S in handling no matter who the fuck engineered it. Which is why I think the FR-S really is its own seperate class and cannot be compared. Because what car actually FEELS better than the FR-S in driving? Other than the Porsche maybe? I have yet to drive one.

KR-S 06-04-2016 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SquadRon (Post 2670597)
Right, the drive in the FR-S is a lot better than that of a Mercedes. I went inside that Mercedes and he really made it seem as if the huge interior e class coupe was a lot better than that of an FR-S feel of the drive.
I told him I got the FR-S only because the handling is a lot smoother, reliable and responsive. I highly doubt his boat-sized E class coupe can match the reliability of an FR-S in handling.

I don't believe the E-Class was designed to be a handling machine. Again, the FR-S and E-Class were built for different purposes: one is a lightweight sports car, and the other a comfortable luxury sedan. You cannot compare the two.

SquadRon 06-04-2016 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Teseo (Post 2670546)
Idk what he do, but i wanna that crap he is using

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.ac (Post 2670577)
Dude, pass that shit you keep smoking/eating
Or at lest share where you are getting it from.

They legit had a billboard sign over here hanging over the heavy freeway towards Los Angeles in In N Out's headquarters saying Medical Marijuana your next exit. These guys are raking in a lot of cash. They are smaller than a McDonalds restaurant already on the big signs hanging over the freeway. What a remarkable gift from God, and a beautiful plant that heals even those who don't support it.

KR-S 06-04-2016 12:09 AM

:laughabove:

swarb 06-04-2016 12:10 AM

One is not better than another. They are just different. Some would say German cars are over engineered. While Japanese cars are more about efficiency. In the end, if they engineer something and it works out, the others will just copy.

Look up his car. The weight and hp. You'll get a good laugh.

SquadRon 06-04-2016 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KR-S 86 (Post 2670600)
I don't believe the E-Class was designed to be a handling machine. Again, the FR-S and E-Class were built for different purposes: one is a lightweight sports car, and the other a comfortable luxury sedan. You cannot compare the two.

Quote:

Originally Posted by themadscientist (Post 2670564)
To compare two cars obviously at different levels is unfair. Compare the E class to it's equivalent like a Lexus RC. I would put Lexus (Toyota really) engineering up against Mercedes any day.

It's not really anything to do with the FR-S. The guy is just an asshat. Invite him to follow the FR-S down a windy road. It's not fair to the Mercedes, but he seems to like lopsided battles so fuck him.


Maybe it's a comfortable ride but definitely not one compared to an FR-S precise maneuvers. I even told his lopsided ass he's going to get "maneuvered"

KR-S 06-04-2016 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SquadRon (Post 2670607)
Maybe it's a comfortable ride but definitely not one compared to an FR-S precise maneuvers. I even told his lopsided ass he's going to get "maneuvered"

Here's the specs for the E350, which I assume is your friend's car since you mentioned a bigger engine: 302 HP and 4001 lbs.

This is the sedan; I'm not sure if your friend has the coupe or cabriolet.

SquadRon 06-04-2016 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KR-S 86 (Post 2670600)
I don't believe the E-Class was designed to be a handling machine. Again, the FR-S and E-Class were built for different purposes: one is a lightweight sports car, and the other a comfortable luxury sedan. You cannot compare the two.

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Originally Posted by KR-S 86 (Post 2670611)
Here's the specs for the E350, which I assume is your friend's car since you mentioned a bigger engine: 302 HP and 4001 lbs.

This is the sedan; I'm not sure if your friend has the coupe or cabriolet.

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...2f&oe=580CFDE7

I can probably pull up a better picture to get a better guess of what his car's make, model and year is. I'm thinking it is an E Class 2005 probably.

KR-S 06-04-2016 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SquadRon (Post 2670614)
https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...2f&oe=580CFDE7

I can probably pull up a better picture to get a better guess of what his car's make, model and year is. I'm thinking it is an E Class 2005 probably.

That appears to be a C-Class, not an E-Class.

Again, I wouldn't worry about it.

dvasqu01 06-04-2016 12:28 AM

So you never answered what are you smoking ?


Yes I'll give you the rice noodle😘

SquadRon 06-04-2016 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dvasqu01 (Post 2670620)
So you never answered what are you smoking ?


Yes I'll give you the rice noodle😘

Shh. Marry Joanna.

Teseo 06-04-2016 12:48 AM

I smoked and doesnt produce the "high" effect you are getting. Maybe you mixin' up?

Tcoat 06-04-2016 12:51 AM

The differences in purpose have been covered so I will stick to the engineering aspect of the question.
Engineering is engineering is engineering no matter where something is designed. The engineers in Germany use exactly the same math and data that is used anyplace else in the world. It is the application of that engineering that varies. The Japanese engineers are just as capable of engineering at the same level as the Germans they just have a different focus. The whole "German engineering is the best" thing is very much a successful marketing campaign that VW has used for decades. In reality it is just plain old engineering no better or worse that anyplace else in the world.
Now if you want to talk complexity that is a whole different matter. They do love them some overly complex machinery. The Panther tank of WW2 is a great example. By far the most potent tank on the battlefield for 2 years but they were obliterated by the Russian tanks. The Panther was so complex that they took forever to build, required extensive maintenance and in some cases the parts were not even interchangeable between different vehicles. The Russian T 34 however was a basic design, practically built in open fields in massive number, that could be repaired by a dude with a tool pouch in the dark at minus 30 degrees using parts they picked up off the ground. All in all a classic case of the cheaper less complex engineering winning over the expensive and more advanced design.

Leonardo 06-04-2016 01:54 AM

Because Race Car.

https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/5617041565.html

SquadRon 06-04-2016 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teseo (Post 2670628)
I smoked and doesnt produce the "high" effect you are getting. Maybe you mixin' up?

I got my wings when I was young so I tend to fly. I think my relationship with God has elevated me to the most high. And this seed yielding seed is a magnificent discovery.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2670629)
The differences in purpose have been covered so I will stick to the engineering aspect of the question.
Engineering is engineering is engineering no matter where something is designed. The engineers in Germany use exactly the same math and data that is used anyplace else in the world. It is the application of that engineering that varies. The Japanese engineers are just as capable of engineering at the same level as the Germans they just have a different focus. The whole "German engineering is the best" thing is very much a successful marketing campaign that VW has used for decades. In reality it is just plain old engineering no better or worse that anyplace else in the world.
Now if you want to talk complexity that is a whole different matter. They do love them some overly complex machinery. The Panther tank of WW2 is a great example. By far the most potent tank on the battlefield for 2 years but they were obliterated by the Russian tanks. The Panther was so complex that they took forever to build, required extensive maintenance and in some cases the parts were not even interchangeable between different vehicles. The Russian T 34 however was a basic design, practically built in open fields in massive number, that could be repaired by a dude with a tool pouch in the dark at minus 30 degrees using parts they picked up off the ground. All in all a classic case of the cheaper less complex engineering winning over the expensive and more advanced design.

You crack me up. That is exactly what I am thinking, because those cars are high on maintenance. You put that together so well it kind of spells out a new slogan for Mercedes, and that is One of a kind. But still lets not compare that to the one and only FR-S.

Norville Rogers 06-04-2016 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2670629)
The differences in purpose have been covered so I will stick to the engineering aspect of the question.
Engineering is engineering is engineering no matter where something is designed. The engineers in Germany use exactly the same math and data that is used anyplace else in the world. It is the application of that engineering that varies. The Japanese engineers are just as capable of engineering at the same level as the Germans they just have a different focus. The whole "German engineering is the best" thing is very much a successful marketing campaign that VW has used for decades. In reality it is just plain old engineering no better or worse that anyplace else in the world.
Now if you want to talk complexity that is a whole different matter. They do love them some overly complex machinery. The Panther tank of WW2 is a great example. By far the most potent tank on the battlefield for 2 years but they were obliterated by the Russian tanks. The Panther was so complex that they took forever to build, required extensive maintenance and in some cases the parts were not even interchangeable between different vehicles. The Russian T 34 however was a basic design, practically built in open fields in massive number, that could be repaired by a dude with a tool pouch in the dark at minus 30 degrees using parts they picked up off the ground. All in all a classic case of the cheaper less complex engineering winning over the expensive and more advanced design.


You do know what's going on around you here?

Tcoat 06-04-2016 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norville Rogers (Post 2670678)
You do know what's going on around you here?

OH ya. I can tune it in and out at will now. I have more Squady time in than anybody else here so just sort of carry on.

jawn 06-04-2016 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2670683)
OH ya. I can tune it in and out at will now. I have more Squady time in than anybody else here so just sort of carry on.

You're more patient than me.

Tcoat 06-04-2016 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jawn (Post 2670689)
You're more patient than me.

Well Squady started out as a rather naive and nervous sort of good natured mascot until he started down the whole Bob Marley road. Then he kind of changed and was a naive and nervous yet aggressive jerk and was sent away for a while. Now he is someplace in between but if he pushes things to far he could go away again.

synchromesh 06-04-2016 03:01 AM

The new flagship Mercedes was named best "Driver's Car", perhaps in part due to the fact they won Formula 1 convincingly for a while.


In the mid-90's, and with all due respect and no disrespect; you could literally drive an S-Class into a concrete pillar at 100k/hr. and survive. RIP, PBUH.


When I was a young man, the average car thief could steal a car in less than a moments time. Mercedes was the most difficult to steal at the time as it was told.


Today, all it takes is a magnet or coat hanger to break into my FR-S and steal my sunglasses that even the poorest of pensioners couldn't afford in 2 weeks.

Tcoat 06-04-2016 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by synchromesh (Post 2670710)
The new flagship Mercedes was named best "Driver's Car", perhaps in part due to the fact they won Formula 1 convincingly for a while.


In the mid-90's, and with all due respect and no disrespect; you could literally drive an S-Class into a concrete pillar at 100k/hr. and survive. RIP, PBUH.


When I was a young man, the average car thief could steal a car in less than a moments time. Mercedes was the most difficult to steal at the time as it was told.


Today, all it takes is a magnet or coat hanger to break into my FR-S and steal my sunglasses that even the poorest of pensioners couldn't afford in 2 weeks.

For every single lock or security device made there are 3 or 4 ways to defeat it. It has been that way since the beginning of locks and it will never go away. Besides if I want in your car a rock on the side of the road works just as well as a computerized code seeker.

synchromesh 06-04-2016 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2670714)
For every single lock or security device made there are 3 or 4 ways to defeat it. It has been that way since the beginning of locks and it will never go away. Besides if I want in your car a rock on the side of the road works just as well as a computerized code seeker.


Although it may be the same result, I'd say you still have to be careful or at least take preventative action.


It is inevitable. Like some places on the strip; you need more security, more frisking, more body cavity searches probably maybe because of the music being played is my guess.

soulreapersteve 06-04-2016 03:30 AM

I'm not high enough for this shit.


(I dont smoke, I just wanted to join in on the fun)

cdrazic93 06-04-2016 03:40 AM

lol this thread.

Speed2th 06-04-2016 03:42 AM

Japanese car has better design with caring in mind - they tried to find a way that is best performance and easy for user to repair or extend the reliability. German cars are opposite, they just cramp the part in there and end up with difficult in repair or replace. I had a c36 Amg for a while and my biodegradable harness degraded itself and cause shortage. Cost me $1800 to have it replace. The mechanic told me all of the Mercedes at that era (late 90s ) has same problem. Your friend is comparing a lexury car to a econo sports car, that is not a valid comparison. A current Hyundai ( which was joke in 90s) now could pack more "engineer" than your friends Mbz. A Prius also have more "engineering" than his Mbz. Anyway, my point is that our car is a simple fun sports car and that is the soul of AE86

86kahl 06-04-2016 03:48 AM

Benz > Brz

mav1178 06-04-2016 03:58 AM

Seriously.

guybo 06-04-2016 05:10 AM

Over the lifetime of your 86 compare against your friend's Merc the number of repairs made, cost of repairs and number of days spent off the road. You'll see the difference in german engineering. They make great cars when they work, but the problem is, things always break in german cars and it costs a lot to fix. That's why IMHO german cars suck.

I won't own another german car- working on them sucks, it's a PITA when they always have something wrong with them, every nut bolt and doodad costs twice what it should- you basically become a guinnea pig to test the latest tech they want to shove in the car.

In the end, most people who buy german either get a Porsche that they know is going to be a PITA but nothing drives like a Porsche (which is true) or a similar high end sports car and reliability is not an issue- or they are buying a name brand and they are either clueless about what a POS they are getting into or don't care but now everyone will know they are a douchebag and that cache is important to them. People will pay a lot and put up with a lot to be seen in the "right" car.

themadscientist 06-04-2016 07:40 AM

Your move, Germany.

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SquadRon 06-04-2016 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2670697)
Well Squady started out as a rather naive and nervous sort of good natured mascot until he started down the whole Bob Marley road. Then he kind of changed and was a naive and nervous yet aggressive jerk and was sent away for a while. Now he is someplace in between but if he pushes things to far he could go away again.

It's just "German Engineering" sounded absurd and never heard of it before.

JD001 06-04-2016 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cdrazic93 (Post 2670732)
lol this thread.

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