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Patsully3 05-21-2016 12:37 PM

Turbo vs supercharger
 
I'm looking into boosting my frs tho it is auto I don't kno which direction to go In or what the better ideas are right now I only have exhaust with a stage 2 tune in running tomei uel headers groupee s over pipe hks duel res front pipe and a n1, I don't wana change my exhaust so I'm just working which would be better for what I have and some ideas would be great.

Freeman 05-21-2016 12:42 PM

And a search didn't turn up any other threads on this?

Patsully3 05-21-2016 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Freeman (Post 2658611)
And a search didn't turn up any other threads on this?

I was looking but didn't come up on much I mean if u have links that would b much appreciated

Apoc 05-21-2016 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Patsully3 (Post 2658608)
I'm looking into boosting my frs tho it is auto I don't kno which direction to go In or what the better ideas are right now I only have exhaust with a stage 2 tune in running tomei uel headers groupee s over pipe hks duel res front pipe and a n1, I don't wana change my exhaust so I'm just working which would be better for what I have and some ideas would be great.

Turbo is out if you aren't changing exhaust obviously. I would go with whichever supercharger everyone here tells you to. This is the only option.

Patsully3 05-21-2016 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Apoc (Post 2658615)
Turbo is out if you aren't changing exhaust obviously. I would go with whichever supercharger everyone here tells you to. This is the only option.

Darn no bov lol but thanx and yea that what I was thinking I'd be going down that road

Amputechture 05-21-2016 01:00 PM

If you go the turbocharged route you will only be able to keep your exhaust how it stands from the overpipe and back. You can still get manifold that is unequal length if you go turbo. Your exhaust setup should be pretty low on priority of what FI route you choose. What are you using your car for? What kind of powerband do you want?

Patsully3 05-21-2016 01:33 PM

For my frs and I like the tomei I just got them and I'm looking for like 300-350 hp

continuecrushing 05-21-2016 02:06 PM

how deep are your pockets?

NyC Zn6 05-21-2016 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Patsully3 (Post 2658629)
For my frs and I like the tomei I just got them and I'm looking for like 300-350 hp

You basically made your decision to go supercharged since you want to keep your header. :iono:

Matt@Cosworth 05-21-2016 03:09 PM

something thats well worth pointing out is the limitations of the standard automatic transmission

as I know of a couple of guys running a turbo setup on autos and they have to stick to about 300Whp max otherwise the transmission overeats and welds itself together
and this is running an oil cooler and synthetic oil
not looking to rain on your parade but you need to know

Patsully3 05-21-2016 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt@Cosworth (Post 2658668)
something thats well worth pointing out is the limitations of the standard automatic transmission

as I know of a couple of guys running a turbo setup on autos and they have to stick to about 300Whp max otherwise the transmission overeats and welds itself together
and this is running an oil cooler and synthetic oil
not looking to rain on your parade but you need to know

That's still fine that's I wanted to post

Patsully3 05-21-2016 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Shutter (Post 2658646)
how deep are your pockets?

That depends on what I should get I was looking into the votech supercharger

continuecrushing 05-21-2016 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Patsully3 (Post 2658672)
That depends on what I should get I was looking into the votech supercharger

Its a good unit, one of the guys here runs it on his car, and we've installed several in the past two months.

Patsully3 05-21-2016 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Shutter (Post 2658690)
Its a good unit, one of the guys here runs it on his car, and we've installed several in the past two months.

What's your take on it? There's not a lot of info on them with like Hp and stuff that I've seen atleast

new2subaru 05-21-2016 08:34 PM

Patsully,

What makes you say you want 300-350HP?

Why set your goals at a number that can break you engine and tranny?

cdrazic93 05-22-2016 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Freeman (Post 2658611)
And a search didn't turn up any other threads on this?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patsully3 (Post 2658613)
I was looking but didn't come up on much I mean if u have links that would b much appreciated

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95037

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55011

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98268

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94371

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13354

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63933

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87905

Im sorry, what didnt show up? because all of this did.

Learn how to search, please. for your internet safety.


psst, mods, can I get a close on this thread

AJPG 05-22-2016 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt@Cosworth (Post 2658668)
something thats well worth pointing out is the limitations of the standard automatic transmission

as I know of a couple of guys running a turbo setup on autos and they have to stick to about 300Whp max otherwise the transmission overeats and welds itself together
and this is running an oil cooler and synthetic oil
not looking to rain on your parade but you need to know

Hi,

Didn't know about the AT "eating" her self, but if your are so kind please show a link. :thanks:
Does it welds itself together? Do you know how high temp have to go to get a weld!...

I do have a AT with FI since 2013, beating the car at every opportunity I have and 0 issues so far.

Matt@Cosworth 05-22-2016 05:18 PM

glad to hear it
can I ask how much power your'e running and what if any cooling modes you've done?

COO86L 05-23-2016 07:50 AM

This is an email I've sent to a few people but it's all in Australian Dollars. It is still relevant.

"Hmm, since I've had it fully 110% tuned I'm quite stoked with the kit. Delicious Tuning did an amazing job on it. I ended up getting waay better efficiency than expected.
I haven't done any dyno logs but I'm currently running 98 with a diff brace and I'm really happy with the power it's putting out.
In Aussie dollars, the SPS kit is about 7500 shipped. Most of the guys do offer 10% off without you asking though. I paid 4500 for mine which is cheaper than avo's base turbo kit.
For 7k, I could have and would have bought an SME (Sydney Motorsports Engineering) kit with a Blouch or Borg Warner turbo. The power possibility is practically endless with that kit.
On E85 I'm running around the same as AVO top turbo kit.
Kraftwerks was a definite choice for me also except for its mounting bracket wouldn't work with my oil cooler.
The sprintex kit is put together really well, sounds amazing and goes hard but that's the limit. It's already at its utmost performance with the only way to go better is nitrous (my current consideration) or the 335 kit. If you were closer to far north coast NSW I'd gladly let you take my car for a ride!

As for the perrin... It's exceptionally quit on cruise and warm idle. As soon as that accelerator is touched it's a different story. Quite loud but not tooooo ridiculous.
I'm actually about to take it off and sell it for about 800 as I'm making a custom system with a bit of a twist.

I'm currently running the perrin with tomei uel and SME overpipe. Stock front pipe for cat and resonator.
With the Perrin only, no other mods and na it was super quiet.
Here's the maths though:
210 SPS - 7500
Reasonable headers - 600 to 900
Overpipe - 250 to 350
Resulting power on 98, approx 250ish whp

SME turbo - 7k from prospeed
Header - no need
Overpipe- 300
Resulting power - whatever you want, over 350ish whp expect to buy a clutch.
300whp is about 6 or 7 psi from memory on a 25-30 psi turbo

Sprintex - about 8500 before catback
Turbo - 7300 before catback."

AJPG 05-23-2016 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt@Cosworth (Post 2659255)
glad to hear it
can I ask how much power your'e running and what if any cooling modes you've done?

362whp on 100 octane 11.5 psi, oem and oil to air oilcoolers for the transmission alone.

Links please.

Matt@Cosworth 05-26-2016 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by AJPG (Post 2659629)
362whp on 100 octane 11.5 psi, oem and oil to air oilcoolers for the transmission alone.

Links please.

here you go

http://www.gt86.org.uk/forums/topic/...#comment-42143


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