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notout86 02-05-2016 10:31 PM

Auto- trans. Don't be a jerk. Try SNOW mode.
 
I love our auto transmission but find normal taking off a little too sudden to be smooth unless I try hard.
Knowing SNOW mode eliminates first gear and forces second I tried it. Voila! It pulls away strongly and smoothly. ...hills or the flat, gentle pedal or booting it. No sign of struggle.
It works with the cruise control and VSC Sport (which I normally use) but not Sport so I am leaving it in SNOW mode all the time.
If anyone knows of a downside, please share.

humfrz 02-06-2016 12:15 AM

It may unnecessarily lug the engine …..:iono:


humfrz

soulreapersteve 02-06-2016 12:22 AM

I only use snow mode when its raining and im stopped on the crest of a hill. No wheel spin or sliding backwards when taking off.

Otherwise, there's no real reason to use it all the time.. unless you stuck in snow :D

notout86 02-06-2016 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2538087)
It may unnecessarily lug the engine …..:iono:


humfrz

Thanks for your interest.

There's no sign or feeling of lugging. Even starting off up a steep hill or flattening the pedal it just seems to take off strongly and very similar to first. There's no pinging that I can hear, not even momentarily. The revs come up fast. If you can try it, give it a go.

notout86 02-06-2016 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soulreapersteve (Post 2538093)
I only use snow mode when its raining and im stopped on the crest of a hill. No wheel spin or sliding backwards when taking off.

Otherwise, there's no real reason to use it all the time.. unless you stuck in snow :D

No doubt it increases the 0-to-100 time but I am surprised how quickly the revs rise myself. Without using a stopwatch I would not know the difference but it doesn't FEEL like it.
Give it a try yourself.

humfrz 02-06-2016 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notout86 (Post 2538109)
Thanks for your interest.

There's no sign or feeling of lugging. Even starting off up a steep hill or flattening the pedal it just seems to take off strongly and very similar to first. There's no pinging that I can hear, not even momentarily. The revs come up fast. If you can try it, give it a go.

hmmmm..........sorry, I can't try it ....... as close as I can come, is taking off in 2nd gear. My FR-S will do that, but it doesn't much like it ....... ;)

Which brings to mind, the first automatic I ever drove, had only 2 speeds and only a 105 HP engine ........ how on earth did we get by with only a 2 speed transmission ....... :popcorn:


humfrz

twag4 02-06-2016 11:50 AM

The auto transmission has clutches inside that are slipping when you do that. Taking off in second all the time will wear them more quickly. It is a bad idea.

RichardsFRS 02-06-2016 01:43 PM

Does this tranny act like a manual, as to when you start in second , you are sluggish? Would it stall. I'd have to keep revs up in my manual to keep from stalling up hill in second. I do drive in traffic in second though, unless it comes to a stop

Theres to much traffic I can't pass!!!
I can't get my car outa second gear!!

cdq85 02-06-2016 02:01 PM

I actually start in 2nd a good majority of the time (except up hill) as I hate how short 1st gear is. and please don't give me any shit about it wearing out clutches and parts as I'm well aware but don't care lol. I seem to have no problems and don't feel I spent any longer slipping the clutch as I would in 1st. I can see where that snow button would feel better in an auto as well.

FRSBRZGT86FAN 02-06-2016 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notout86 (Post 2538021)
I love our auto transmission but find normal taking off a little too sudden to be smooth unless I try hard.
Knowing SNOW mode eliminates first gear and forces second I tried it. Voila! It pulls away strongly and smoothly. ...hills or the flat, gentle pedal or booting it. No sign of struggle.
It works with the cruise control and VSC Sport (which I normally use) but not Sport so I am leaving it in SNOW mode all the time.
If anyone knows of a downside, please share.

Quote:

Originally Posted by notout86 (Post 2538109)
Thanks for your interest.

There's no sign or feeling of lugging. Even starting off up a steep hill or flattening the pedal it just seems to take off strongly and very similar to first. There's no pinging that I can hear, not even momentarily. The revs come up fast. If you can try it, give it a go.

Quote:

Originally Posted by notout86 (Post 2538113)
No doubt is increases the 0-to-100 time but I am surprised how quickly the revs rise myself. Without using a stopwatch I would not know the difference but it doesn't FEEL like it.
Give it a try yourself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by twag4 (Post 2538336)
The auto transmission has clutches inside that are slipping when you do that. Taking off in second all the time will wear them more quickly. It is a bad idea.



This. You are wearing out the clutch packs as well as torque lugging the engine repeatedly, if you really want to be able to launch faster then get 4.88 or 4.67 gears then you're gear ratio will be much better than a manual and acceleration times will drop considerably

notout86 02-06-2016 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twag4 (Post 2538336)
The auto transmission has clutches inside that are slipping when you do that. Taking off in second all the time will wear them more quickly. It is a bad idea.

Thanks for that information. I wondered if there was any downside of that type.

I shall stop using Snow mode all the time with the exception of in funeral processions when the sudden take-off using first gear destroys the decorum of the occasion.

Maybe the accelerator can be programmed differently.

soulreapersteve 02-06-2016 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notout86 (Post 2538537)
Thanks for that information. I wondered if there was any downside of that type.

I shall stop using Snow mode all the time with the exception of in funeral processions when the sudden take-off using first gear destroys the decorum of the occasion.

Maybe the accelerator can be programmed differently.

Its called not mashing the pedal when the light turns green.......

notout86 02-07-2016 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN (Post 2538407)
This. You are wearing out the clutch packs as well as torque lugging the engine repeatedly, if you really want to be able to launch faster then get 4.88 or 4.67 gears then you're gear ratio will be much better than a manual and acceleration times will drop considerably

Thanks for your interest. Actually I want to launch a little SLOWER or more refined/ smoothly. It doesn't bother me enough to be fitting new gears.

Someone has said they had the throttle re-mapped and they have achieved what I am after so I am looking at that angle.

FRSBRZGT86FAN 02-07-2016 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notout86 (Post 2538537)
Thanks for that information. I wondered if there was any downside of that type.

I shall stop using Snow mode all the time with the exception of in funeral processions when the sudden take-off using first gear destroys the decorum of the occasion.

Maybe the accelerator can be programmed differently.

Quote:

Originally Posted by notout86 (Post 2538877)
Thanks for your interest. Actually I want to launch a little SLOWER or more refined/ smoothly. It doesn't bother me enough to be fitting new gears.

Someone has said they had the throttle re-mapped and they have achieved what I am after so I am looking at that angle.

Exactly you can use the manual transmission throttle mapping in romraider, but what your doing seems kind of useless

humfrz 02-07-2016 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN (Post 2538893)
Exactly you can use the manual transmission throttle mapping in romraider, but what your doing seems kind of useless

Interesting that some folks pay a couple hundred dollars for something that does the opposite of what the OP is trying to achieve...... :iono:

https://www.sprintboostersales.com/?...FVFffgodH7kODQ


humfrz

ollie 02-07-2016 02:41 AM

Wow did not know it's an issue, have been driving my auto 86 for three years now and did not evening think about it.


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2013GTRNate 02-07-2016 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notout86 (Post 2538021)
I love our auto transmission but find normal taking off a little too sudden to be smooth unless I try hard.
Knowing SNOW mode eliminates first gear and forces second I tried it. Voila! It pulls away strongly and smoothly. ...hills or the flat, gentle pedal or booting it. No sign of struggle.
It works with the cruise control and VSC Sport (which I normally use) but not Sport so I am leaving it in SNOW mode all the time.
If anyone knows of a downside, please share.

Anyone that hates on the AUTO on the BRZ clearly have not seen or read the reviews. Everyone seemed to love it in the magazines. I have the 6-speed but I know some local guys that love their AUTO BRZs.

FRSBRZGT86FAN 02-07-2016 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2538911)
Interesting that some folks pay a couple hundred dollars for something that does the opposite of what the OP is trying to achieve...... :iono:

https://www.sprintboostersales.com/?...FVFffgodH7kODQ


humfrz

I love the documentation they have:

• Sprint Booster does not increase Horsepower.

• Sprint Booster does not reduce your 0-60mph times.

• Sprint Booster DOES make your car 'FEEL' faster.

• Sprint Booster is not for everyone.

FRSBRZGT86FAN 02-07-2016 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardsFRS (Post 2538391)
Does this tranny act like a manual, as to when you start in second , you are sluggish? Would it stall. I'd have to keep revs up in my manual to keep from stalling up hill in second. I do drive in traffic in second though, unless it comes to a stop

Theres to much traffic I can't pass!!!
I can't get my car outa second gear!!


I can't believe you could ask that question :lol:

An auto with a manual mode will never let the car stall, it still behaves however like it would in a manual car starting in second letting the clutch out. It lugs and pulls slowly

notout86 02-07-2016 06:03 PM

People do not seem to be grasping that starting off in SNOW mode does NOT NOT NOT feel sluggish or like it is lugging. Even on a steep hill. In theory it should but in practice it feels little different to jumping off in 1st except it doesn't jump. What you get in SNOW mode is a perfectly SMOOTH and STRONG pulling-away feel, rather like you have suddenly got more torque Try it out of interest.

Ultramaroon 02-07-2016 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notout86 (Post 2539277)
People do not seem to be grasping that starting off in SNOW mode does NOT NOT NOT feel sluggish or like it is lugging. Even on a steep hill. In theory it should but in practice it feels little different to jumping off in 1st except it doesn't jump. What you get in SNOW mode is a perfectly SMOOTH and STRONG pulling-away feel, rather like you have suddenly got more torque Try it out of interest.

Anyone hating on this is doing so either out of ignorance, or just plain trolling. Absolutely nothing wrong with it. Second gear is fully engaged from a standstill. The only thing slipping is the torque converter.

Riftur 02-07-2016 06:55 PM

I had to get my FR-S with a AT in case my wife ever needed to drive it in an emergency. She did not want to learn to drive an MT. I will say this. The AT is actually the best AT i have ever driven. The manual mode actually shifts when you tell it to. In other cars I have tried there is always a delay. I love it. Still would like a MT better but its a great transmission all in all. Fun to drive.

S3pt1c 08-31-2019 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riftur (Post 2539313)
I had to get my FR-S with a AT in case my wife ever needed to drive it in an emergency. She did not want to learn to drive an MT. I will say this. The AT is actually the best AT i have ever driven. The manual mode actually shifts when you tell it to. In other cars I have tried there is always a delay. I love it. Still would like a MT better but its a great transmission all in all. Fun to drive.

This.

I totally agree with you. I bought my GTS auto because the wife wanted an auto and it was the only compromise to getting the car. I’m now divorced, not because of auto vs manual haha, but I still think the auto box on this car is the best I’ve ever experienced. I have a s/c fitted and with the paddles it makes for some awesome fun, and I can honestly say that I actually find being able to change gear, when absolutely caning it, without having to take your hands off the steering wheel is in my mind far safer and smoother. Apart from the Tein Flex As and the full EDFS Active Pro I will be fitting in the next month or so, the only other upgrade I am considering it some change to the final drive, or whatever will give me a better 0-60 and 0-100 time, (when at Santa Pod of course!).

Any suggestions as to the best, and preferably most economical way of doing this would be much appreciated.

Cheers


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