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strat61caster 11-26-2013 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZfan (Post 1355093)
How many were "numerous"? and what is total number of manual BRZ's and FR-Ss built?

Over 36,000 units in US alone, probably close to 38-40k at this point (roughly 2k/month).

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10766

I can't find good data on worldwide sales but early statements had Fuji Heavy Industries targeting 100,000 units worldwide.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...ts-a-year.html

MT vs. AT numbers are also hard to find, figure 50/50 split for the first year enthusiast rush, up to you if it's 'numerous' or not, if it was as epidemic as some on the internet would have you believe Toyota would be reeling.

LeeMaster 11-26-2013 09:51 PM

Alright.. ladies.. I'm probably one of the lucky ones to not have any issues with my car besides the crickets and the rear thunk in the trunk. But that does not erase the fact that a lot of people are having reliability issues either....

EDIT: You can have a perfect attendance for a full year and not miss any day at work at all. But that one day you sleep in and forget to set your alarm could cost you your job. Likewise, the issues that 10 people may have out of 10,000 people could send the auditors back to the drawing boards in a snap. You cant really blame an 86er to feel dismissal about his car for having these issues when it's already evident others are having the same problems as well. The negatives will ALWAYS outweigh the positives no matter what situation you put yourselves into.

And last but not least, quit fighting amongst yourselves, youre embarassing the community.

BRZfan 11-26-2013 10:58 PM

Just a question Jesusdude. Looking for facts. Sorry you had, I suspect, a bad transmission. If you did, I hope you got it fixed to your satisfaction.

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Originally Posted by DoomsdayJesus (Post 1355112)
The number of issues in my thread alone blows your "statistic" to crap. The fact that dealers and SOA are aware of the issue should point to how prevalent it is. But I'm not researching your ridiculous argument for you, go to the warranty/TSB forum.

The transmissions can have bad syncros. Those in turn have the potential to kill your clutch prematurely. All in all, it's a shit sandwich many have had to take a bite from. And saying "nuh-uh" doesn't do much in the way of solving problems, does it?


DylanFRS 11-27-2013 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DoomsdayJesus (Post 1355112)
And saying "nuh-uh" doesn't do much in the way of solving problems, does it?

I think this pretty much sums up my thoughts on about half of the people on this forum.

ANYTHING negative gets said about the 86 and half of this forum gets out their torches and pitchforks. It's like some of the people on here are so insecure that if something negative gets said about the car then it completely invalidates their purchase. Someone sells their 86 and buys a Civic because it is a better car for them and half the forum attempts to crucify them. The 86 got beat around the track by a Fiesta?! That's impossible! That means this isn't the greatest car ever made?! Which means that I don't own the best car ever?! My head just exploded!!

It is okay for there to be criticism of the car. It doesn't invalidate your purchase. It can still be a great car and the perfect car for you.

DylanFRS 11-29-2013 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BRZfan (Post 1357349)
All forum readers must realize that when any negative (or positive) comment is made about, in this case, a personal car that it is anonymous and tends to be one-sided since there usually isn't any rebuttal from the opposite party in this case Toyota and/or Subaru. This is why, in many cases, rebuttal comment is made.

I, particularly, am turned off when someone uses extreme negative language and is so agitated that comments may tend to be exaggerated. My comment does not specifically address any particular poster in this thread or any other thread but is intended to be an explanation of the use of forums.

Not sure if you meant to quote my post on this but I don't see how this post relates to my post that you quoted.

BRZfan 11-29-2013 11:25 AM

All forum readers must realize that when any negative (or positive) comment is made about, in this case, a personal car that it is anonymous and tends to be one-sided since there usually isn't any rebuttal from the opposite party in this case Toyota and/or Subaru. This is why, in many cases, rebuttal comment is made.

I, particularly, am turned off when someone uses extreme negative language and is so agitated that comments may tend to be exaggerated. My comment does not specifically address any particular poster in this thread or any other thread but is intended to be an explanation of the use of forums.

BRZfan 11-29-2013 11:27 AM

My mistake. Redone.
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Originally Posted by DylanFRS (Post 1359176)
Not sure if you meant to quote my post on this but I don't see how this post relates to my post that you quoted.


Wes 11-29-2013 12:24 PM

I wouldn't be worried, you drive the same car, you tell me if you're worried. Yes they did skimp out on some things that makes the car better, but thats why its cheap.

DoomsdayJesus 11-29-2013 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZfan (Post 1359593)
All forum readers must realize that when any negative (or positive) comment is made about, in this case, a personal car that it is anonymous and tends to be one-sided since there usually isn't any rebuttal from the opposite party in this case Toyota and/or Subaru. This is why, in many cases, rebuttal comment is made.

I, particularly, am turned off when someone uses extreme negative language and is so agitated that comments may tend to be exaggerated. My comment does not specifically address any particular poster in this thread or any other thread but is intended to be an explanation of the use of forums.

I posted Subaru's rebuttal in my thread. They simply blamed me for abuse and modification despite zero evidence of either and over 10 years of driving exclusively MT cars. Other people got better treatment by Subaru or Toyota, dependant entirely on the dealer. That left me with a pretty bad taste in my mouth, especially since I own two Subarus and expected a little loyalty.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the car, I've had much better luck with the 2nd tranny. I will, in all likelihood, be lemoning the car. But I fully intend on buying another. It's an awesome care with amazing potential, but they laid quite a few eggs in the first year, much like many manufacturers do. It happens. What ticks me off is people maligning CR despite having no understanding of how they do auto reviews, and people minimizing problems with the car, which does nothing to pressure manufacturers to fix obvious flaws.

And I'm sorry for being combative, I deal with people at work all day who are the same way. Sometimes it's hard to shut off.

Frost 12-13-2013 01:49 PM

Btw, I completely forgot I still had a subscription to Consumers Reports online (idiot I know but I saw the charge pop up on my CC bill) and here's the report from CR:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rup7w37dgf...20Overview.pdf

It's actually not as bad as people made it out to be - not good on the reliability front but that could mean a whole bunch of things.

ThisIsChrisKim 12-13-2013 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Frost (Post 1388146)
Btw, I completely forgot I still had a subscription to Consumers Reports online (idiot I know but I saw the charge pop up on my CC bill) and here's the report from CR:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rup7w37dgf...20Overview.pdf

It's actually not as bad as people made it out to be - not good on the reliability front but that could mean a whole bunch of things.

Looks like the crickets are rearing their heads.

DoomsdayJesus 12-13-2013 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Frost (Post 1388146)
It's actually not as bad as people made it out to be - not good on the reliability front but that could mean a whole bunch of things.

It never is. Every internet forum I've been on must meet a quota of resident pant-shitters and doomsayers every time something on the internet doesn't meet their perfect preconceptions of something they own or believe. Which is why I enjoy being a voice of reason and realistic expectations.

djmm 12-13-2013 06:36 PM

Soo... how's the most newly delivered BRZ fare these days? Any of the mentioned issues still present? Or have they fixed them with the most recent built ones?

Brzetto 12-13-2013 08:32 PM

Maybe Porsche is bribing them too, Motor Trend overloads their videos Porsche love because Porsche bribes/shows favoritism for them.


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