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I just cannot believe how wrong I was. I cannot believe a real car company would screw up this bad and piss governments off like this.

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Originally Posted by fang_gt86 (Post 2412867)

This time it's Toyota's trucks and SUV. No it's not their diesel engines.

http://fortune.com/2015/10/07/us-isis-toyota/

That is just someone stirring crap up for no reason. Toyota is pretty much the only pickup sold in the middle east, and no car dealership is going to say no to a member of any muslim royal family when they ask to buy 50 pickup trucks, even though everyone knows exactly what they are going to.

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Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 2405491)

You sir have a heavy gavel!
Other nonsense manufacturers have pulled:
GM classifies the PT Cruiser as a light truck so it doesn't have to meet the same emissions as passenger cars (and it sure doesn't).
GM killed 124 people with ignition switches they knew would result in fatalities.
Takata: Don't worry our airbags only kill and maim some people!
Toyota: Lost over a billion dollars because of "unintended acceleration" that was proven, after exhaustive investigation, to be false and in 100% of the fatalities where it was thought to be a failure of the car it was a failure of the driver. So Toyota got punished by shitty drivers, essentially.
Anywho.. I say we require VW to pay for that wall that Trump wants to build. :D
But seriously, it stands to reason that anyone pursuing legal action against VW for being defrauded most likely have a case.

The difference is those companies did not lie to governments world wide. VW did. People who crave power don't mind mistakes, but they hate people lying to them more than anything. I would not be surprised if every government followed Germany in demanding VW fix this problem within the month or stop allowing any VW products to be sold, and also fine VW as much as they possibly can even though it will probably destroy Germany's economy yet again.

I still cannot believe any real car company pulled this garbage on purpose. It is just mind boggling. I hope VW closes and dies because I don't like any of their modern vehicles, not because of this silly scandal.

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Originally Posted by why? (Post 2413212)

I hope VW closes and dies because I don't like any of their modern vehicles, not because of this silly scandal.

Ahhhh now there is the truth!

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2413248)

Ahhhh now there is the truth!

that was always my truth. No idea how a company that made some pretty awesome cars in the 80's went so wrong with such horrific problems in the past couple of decades.

Although if I could get a 2015 awd tdi for say $2000 and never have to pass any emissions anywhere it might be worth it.

Here's the thing though most other companies don't sell diesel cars, VW do so I don't see how this could be a problem for other manufacturers.

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Originally Posted by fumanchu1 (Post 2413757)

Here's the thing though most other companies don't sell diesel cars, VW do so I don't see how this could be a problem for other manufacturers.

Emissions ratings can be fudged on gasoline cars a well. The focus is on diesel because that is what they got caught on but there is nothing saying gas cars don't have the same sort of set up.

True but I feel that if it had been widespread, to a point of affecting most if not all petrol engines, then someone would have found out before now...one would hope at least

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Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k (Post 2412759)

What makes you so sure? Every other clean diesel vehicle sold in the USA comes equipped with an expensive Urea exhaust injection system. VW was the only maker not outfitting this feature to it's cars. Stands to reason this is basically why they cheated - they didn't want to pay to equip the cars with that device (which reported would have added $335 to the cost of each car).

My 2013 Passat 2.0L TDI has a Urea Exhaust injection system.
The Adblue tank is in the trunk

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Originally Posted by fang_gt86 (Post 2412867)

This time it's Toyota's trucks and SUV. No it's not their diesel engines.

http://fortune.com/2015/10/07/us-isis-toyota/

This is example of mis-represented statistics.
Take a room full of people. Say 80 people. There is going to be a tallest person in the room. Remove that person and there is still a tallest person in the room. Another example. Heart disease is the biggest killer among adults. So everyone goes on a diet and walks 5 kilometers a day. Then there will be different disease that will be the biggest killer of adults.

free uniform with each purchase

http://i.imgur.com/uTdPR2Vl.jpg

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2416362)

free uniform with each purchase

http://i.imgur.com/uTdPR2Vl.jpg

TURD

Porsche and Audi have been sucked into the VW vortex. Porsche has halted sales of the 2014-2016 diesel Cayenne SUV. The same goes for the Audi Touareg and all the other diesel Audi models. Seems the cheat was installed on all diesel engines, not just the 4 cylinder models.

Audi and Porsche both claim to have had no knowledge of the illegal software.

In addition, it was announced that another 500,000 VW models are affected.

New news about old news.

Yup. I totally didn't see that one coming. Not at all.

My brother, interesting person that he is, just picked up a Toerag Hybrid. Boggles the mind.

Now the question is how to get current owners to comply with the recall as they can expect both lower fuel efficiency and lower performance after the "fix."

Lot's of hand-wringing going on behind closed doors.

Interesting article about how VW's cutthroat culture may have led to this. Lots of good insight from Bob Lutz (somewhat surprisingly).

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...diesel-fiasco/

Lutz is a genius. Nothing good from him is surprising.

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Originally Posted by jsimon7777 (Post 2443381)

Lutz is a genius. Nothing good from him is surprising.

He tends to be very hit or miss for me. Sometimes will have really keen insight from his years in the industry, and then other times will say some head-scratchers. I thought this article was the former though, very astute observations about VW corporate culture.

Bringing this back from the dead using the New Info spell...

They've cracked the code on how VW did this. Basically they hid the code in a section of code dealing with engine noise.

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Originally Posted by ExtremeTech

According to the Jacobs School of Engineering at UC San Diego, the code in question was masquerading as if it was related to engine noise. In reality, it was watching for a specific set of conditions. The rules the EPA uses for evaluating vehicle mileage are a matter of public record, as are the test procedures. That’s arguably a good thing, as it tells consumers how products are evaluated and how the results are calculated. While most people just look at the final numbers, you can use information on how tests are performed to perform more precise calculations on which vehicle or vehicles might be right for your own use cases.

Full article here.

The article also says that this was in as many as 400 different ECUs, not just this one model.

https://www.extremetech.com/wp-conte...edVehicles.png

Don't know that this is related (doesn't appear to be) but Volkswagen has a new recall this week for noncompliant vehicles that they are going to buy back. It involves these models:

Subject : Modifications to Vehicles Made Them Noncompliant
Make Model Model Years
VOLKSWAGEN ATLAS 2018
VOLKSWAGEN CC 2017
VOLKSWAGEN E-GOLF 2017
VOLKSWAGEN GOLF 2017
VOLKSWAGEN GOLF R 2018-2019
VOLKSWAGEN PASSAT 2016-2017
VOLKSWAGEN TIGUAN 2017
VOLKSWAGEN TOUAREG 2017

Man VW is just shooting itself in the foot

Seemingly constantly trying to get away with shit but keep getting caught lol.

Not exactly a compelling example of Fahrvergnügen . . .