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becauseracecar1 07-04-2014 07:25 AM

Rubber dash coming up
 
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Mine moved up a little, I'm trying to decide if I want to replace it at the dealers or just live with it for now... Is it that noticeable?


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Burrcold 07-04-2014 07:48 AM

That's not bad...yet. I would leave it. When I had my dash replaced, it was about ten times worse than that.

Moskoi 07-04-2014 09:11 AM

Mine is getting bad:

http://i.imgur.com/jppICz0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9Pf4p2Q.jpg

ericmpena 07-04-2014 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Moskoi (Post 1829609)

Exactly how mine looked. Ugh, brings back bad memories. I know people will advise you against the dealership, but if you can find a good one that has decent ratings then I'd just have them give you a brand new dash while it's still covered under warranty.

ericmpena 07-04-2014 09:25 AM

@becauseracecar1 I'd leave it. That's not bad at all.

becauseracecar1 07-04-2014 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ericmpena (Post 1829622)
@becauseracecar1 I'd leave it. That's not bad at all.


Will do!! Thanks!!


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1Cor10:23 07-07-2014 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sirsol66 (Post 1787768)
Well, I took a swing at fixing this myself, we'll see how well it works.

The problem area is very easy to get to; pry off the two fake carbon fiber portions on your dash, unbolt the upper vent, and then pry it out (gently).

The issue is that the the dash isn't lifting because its multiple layers are separating; rather, it's just not tied down/clipped to anything other than in the direct center so when it gets hot, it expands and pulls up since it cant go out. I put a few thin pieces of double sided tape between that portion of the dash and the back of the vent; we'll see how well it holds.

Hey man, is the vent just bolted by the 2 screws at the bottom after lifting off the face cf trim around the head unit? Thanks!

Tomcat07 07-07-2014 10:19 PM

I noticed this phenomenon on a used 2013 i was looking at, i ended up getting a 2015 and that's the thing i have been keeping an eye on each time i look the car over for any possible delaminations/defects. Based on some of the posts i've seen here, i am going to be getting a sun shade just in case.

1Cor10:23 07-08-2014 11:07 AM

Took apart the assembly today, will do a detailed writeup tonight. Finally go not to a point where I'm decently happy as a DIY.

Snoopyalien24 07-08-2014 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Money (Post 1063013)
i reallly hate this

You need those sun reflective visors

Cockatoo 07-08-2014 11:24 AM

I had a similar issue on my previous car where the dash was literally melting from the Florida sun... was hoping to not have any issues like that with this car... I want to keep it from happening, but I hate freaking sun shades :(

sprintertrueno86 07-08-2014 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cockatoo (Post 1834818)
I had a similar issue on my previous car where the dash was literally melting from the Florida sun... was hoping to not have any issues like that with this car... I want to keep it from happening, but I hate freaking sun shades :(

Get a dash mat?

1Cor10:23 07-09-2014 09:03 AM

hey guys, I made a quick DIY of how to get to the problem areas. This may or may not work for you depending on the type of damage you have but at least it will help you diagnose the problem further by having a fully exposed work area.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...60#post1836860

Moskoi 07-13-2014 08:10 AM

I had some tint film laying around in my basement, and I had the idea of putting on a windshield strip on my BRZ. I've done all that in the garage, and later that day, I took the car out, parked it randomly, and the tint is now creating a shade right where the dash is going crazy. What if this is actually a great solution for this? And it looks awesome as well.

http://i.imgur.com/vTcINAz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/csJE4da.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/e12SZIu.jpg

1Cor10:23 07-13-2014 03:03 PM

@Moskoi had the same idea although depending on time of day, it won't cover it. Bust as far as hottest hours of the day, it'll definitely get a lot of coverage. Going to get this done later ad well. Looks great!

notout86 07-13-2014 06:58 PM

When the stars align, wonders can happen.

(Looks OK btw)

I have a dash-mat, mainly to reduce reflection in the screen. I backed with aluminium kitchen foil to keep heat out of the dash. I did the same with our previous car and on removal 17 years later, the dash was as new.

Estey 07-14-2014 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by notout86 (Post 1844304)
When the stars align, wonders can happen.

(Looks OK btw)

I have a dash-mat, mainly to reduce reflection in the screen. I backed with aluminium kitchen foil to keep heat out of the dash. I did the same with our previous car and on removal 17 years later, the dash was as new.

What dash-mat? and can you post pics?

Draco_PR23 07-14-2014 06:41 PM

Here is mine, I didn't noticed it until I found this thread
http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/...pszsymz1vh.jpg

I'm thinking about getting a sunshade thing.

ericmpena 07-15-2014 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Draco_PR23 (Post 1845987)
Here is mine, I didn't noticed it until I found this thread
http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/...pszsymz1vh.jpg

I'm thinking about getting a sunshade thing.

If it gets worse definitely bring it up to the dealership. Then get a sunshade! Mine was a little wise than yours when the dealership replaced mine.

Draco_PR23 07-15-2014 07:06 AM

Thanks, will call the dealer about it if gets worse.

ButtonMasher 07-17-2014 05:55 PM

Read this thread, considered myself lucky, went for a drive, noticed that I too have this problem, cried. Will visit dealership :'(

xITSxTHExPOPEx 07-18-2014 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ericmpena (Post 1829617)
Exactly how mine looked. Ugh, brings back bad memories. I know people will advise you against the dealership, but if you can find a good one that has decent ratings then I'd just have them give you a brand new dash while it's still covered under warranty.

So mine looks about this bad, took it to the dealer today for my last free service and brought it up. They looked at it and then had a look at all the other FRS's on the lot and saw that they all had the same issue, so they won't do anything about it unless it gets a lot worse, I dont understand that logic but oh well, I'm kinda pissed about it, but I have an extended warranty on it so when it does get worse I can get me a new one.

zc06_kisstherain 07-18-2014 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by xITSxTHExPOPEx (Post 1853866)
So mine looks about this bad, took it to the dealer today for my last free service and brought it up. They looked at it and then had a look at all the other FRS's on the lot and saw that they all had the same issue, so they won't do anything about it unless it gets a lot worse, I dont understand that logic but oh well, I'm kinda pissed about it, but I have an extended warranty on it so when it does get worse I can get me a new one.

I will rather fix this minor issue myself than dealer replacing whole dashboard and scratching/damaging other area of interior

Vmax911 07-18-2014 07:21 PM

Thanks to this thread I noticed that mine is doing the same. :cry:

I have always used a shade and still have this. It may be the heat and not necessarily the direct sun.

Estey 07-18-2014 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vmax911 (Post 1854080)
Thanks to this thread I noticed that mine is doing the same. :cry:

I have always used a shade and still have this. It may be the heat and not necessarily the direct sun.

its is the heat, but I think direct sunlight speeds up the process because the dash is getting even more hot. either way, heat is going to end up destroying our dash sooner or later :(

ericmpena 07-19-2014 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by xITSxTHExPOPEx (Post 1853866)
So mine looks about this bad, took it to the dealer today for my last free service and brought it up. They looked at it and then had a look at all the other FRS's on the lot and saw that they all had the same issue, so they won't do anything about it unless it gets a lot worse, I dont understand that logic but oh well, I'm kinda pissed about it, but I have an extended warranty on it so when it does get worse I can get me a new one.

Shitty. I made sure to check out all the other cars on the lot to compare them just in case the dealership argued with me. Luckily they didn't argue at all. I'd try another dealership and check out the cars on the lot first.

Nu_era 07-31-2014 12:54 AM

Mine is getting worse. Tinted windshield and sunshade here. Starting to look like this interior is sub par on long term quality.

boredom.is.me 08-14-2014 02:12 AM

add me to the list :(

thatfilipinoguy 08-14-2014 05:14 AM

I think the problem is this. Because the problem area is right about the vents, when you blast the AC, it makes the adhesive cold. When you turn off your car, the AC is off obviously, and the temperature change causes the adhesive to deteriorate in a sense. So, long story short, temperature fluctuation when the AC is on, and after you turn off the car and let it sit.

kodyo 08-14-2014 07:43 AM

That part of the dash is like a we noodle once it's been sitting in the sun. I don't think AC hot/cold cycles has anything to do with it personally.

ftc~brz 08-14-2014 04:48 PM

Saw this post this am, just looked, mines doing it too. 7k on the odo. Guess I'll be digging up the old window shade from the basement soon.

ZZT86 08-14-2014 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by thatfilipinoguy (Post 1898983)
I think the problem is this. Because the problem area is right about the vents, when you blast the AC, it makes the adhesive cold. When you turn off your car, the AC is off obviously, and the temperature change causes the adhesive to deteriorate in a sense. So, long story short, temperature fluctuation when the AC is on, and after you turn off the car and let it sit.


I noticed this problem when my car was in the showroom floor during delivery - it's a factory fault, reckon it's sh1thouse glue for the amount of flex/curve in that area :/

thatfilipinoguy 08-14-2014 09:52 PM

Well, I would guess that if we complain enough, they can fix the issue before it leaves the factory!

So those of you that have the issue right now, please take pictures and email them to corporate.

Link below!

http://www.scion.com/contact/

foompla 08-15-2014 09:36 AM

Well, in order for them to fix it, you have to bring it to the dealer. Looks like a lot of people are not willing to do that.

wheelhaus 08-15-2014 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by foompla (Post 1900921)
Well, in order for them to fix it, you have to bring it to the dealer. Looks like a lot of people are not willing to do that.

From what I understand, people are hesitant to do this for two reasons: 1- the dash assembly is a terribly complicated assembly, and 2- the dealer service network hasn't proven to be terribly reliable and/or trustworthy. Apparently it's not a simple "remove these fasteners, pop this area, and it comes right out" sorta thing. I read a while ago (might be in this thread) that someone had the dealer replace the dash, and it was a nightmare because the assembly is so complicated and integrated. Having the dealer even attempt a fix could snowball into all sorts of issues.

I'd also like to find a permafix for this that I can do myself. Maybe an attractive piece of fitted trim that fits over the offending bulges but has hardware through the AC vents to hold them in place?

My friend was like "can't you just take it to the dealer and have them fix it?" and my response was essentially, "ehh, yes and no"...

ftc~brz 08-15-2014 12:01 PM

^this

foompla 08-15-2014 09:57 PM

This what? No need to jump on a bandwagon.

According to the repair manual replacing the dash is a straight forward easy job. I am not going to post the doc online. If dealers that are messing it up, they are doing so on their own accord. There are several techs on this board who take pride in what they do.

Hearsay does not help the community get their cars fixed. Discouraging people to take their cars to dealers to get their cars fixed doesn't help either.

Everyone wants everyone to enjoy their cars.

thatfilipinoguy 08-15-2014 10:26 PM

The guy that changed my dash said that there is not tech data regarding this issue. So he had to do shit like we would. I have to go back and have him re install some bolts that were misplaced though.

wheelhaus 08-17-2014 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by foompla (Post 1902102)
This what? No need to jump on a bandwagon.

According to the repair manual replacing the dash is a straight forward easy job. I am not going to post the doc online. If dealers that are messing it up, they are doing so on their own accord. There are several techs on this board who take pride in what they do.

Hearsay does not help the community get their cars fixed. Discouraging people to take their cars to dealers to get their cars fixed doesn't help either.

Everyone wants everyone to enjoy their cars.

I will look into the manual, but firstly you both acknowledge and deny the secondary issue, which is dealer reliability. An oil change is also a straight forward easy job (and one that most everyone at the dealership actually has experience doing), but somehow they still F it up on occasion. If an oil change can be botched so easily, then an abnormal issue like removing the dash assembly could easily result in scratched interior, other things not working, etc. So far I've read of one person having this dash issue attempted, and it resulted in multiple return visits and additional headaches. So far that's a 100% dealer service failure rate in my eyes. If other members have had the dealer fix it, then I urge them to post here. I'm also nearly 100% certain that the part is simply replaced with the same part again, only delaying a recurrent issue if the root problem is heat.

I'm not saying the dealer shouldn't fix it, but many of us simply don't want the opportunity for such things to happen at all because we have little faith in the competency of the techs, especially when performing an uncommon task.

There are absolutely good techs out there, but I don't know them personally. I'd love to get their input on this issue, though. For some issues I'd rather employ a fix myself than take it to someone I don't know, and thus, can't trust, regardless whether it's their responsibility or not.

This goes for any repair garage as well, not just dealers, but unfortunately for warranty issues, the dealer is the only option.

Estey 08-17-2014 06:29 PM

so after taking the vent off, it seems that the middle is not rising up because of a notch that catches on the vent.
I would think that a simple solution would be to place that notch evenly across the entirety of this part of the dash so as to prevent either side from rising again.
A possible solution could be gluing this part of the dash down to a thin piece of metal or plastic that attaches on the underside of the piece with a 90 degree angle that spreads across the affected area and has a notch at the end.
idk if thats an understandable explanation, but thats just my two cents. i know that someone has already used epoxy and clamped these pieces down, but this was just another way one could fix this issue

edit: not too sure if the first method is the best route to take because it may cause fitment issues with the vents, but Im not sure. Ill have to check it out again.
Also im not sure if there is a place for these notches to catch across the entirety of the vent cover. I didnt look at it too hard when i took it off but ill go back and check unless anybody else can chime in.

a much simpler way without having to fabricate anything might be to get a staple gun and staple across the assembly creating notches with the staples so that these notches would catch on the vent and keep the dash from rising up.


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