Perfect! :thumbup:

My buddy is stuck. :help: :slap:

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For LSxJunkie! :happy0180:
http://www.dieselupload.com/files/1/zr1kit-003.jpg

^ That ZR1 is hot hot hot.

didn't read through the whole thread, but you can get flush and stay functional.

HELLAflush, well that generally involves a stretch and massive neg camber, rolled and pulled fenders, etc...not that functional

Yes.

That looks good!! Right done!!

Update: So my buddy found a fix this afternoon lol

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Hellastock. Driveable is everything.

:D

*Resale lol

Flush, just not "hella"
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EDIT: Actually, it's Hella-Functional.

It's the way the fenders are cut and the camera angle. I've actually lowered the front more than the rear. RCE Blacks are 15mm front and 10mm rear drop. Then a set of RCE lowering front camber plates drop the front another 10mm.

Side shot:
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^ beautiful wheels and tire sizes. I personally would have gone a bit lower in stance to improve the aesthetics of the car. But that fitment is spot on.

Nice setup! Personally, I would go also lowered it a bit more, reducing that the wheel gap.

Something similar to this.

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I disagree, I think its perfect because the gap is exactly the same all the way round from the front to the top to the back of the wheel well. Equidistant is always perfect aesthetics IMO

^^Awesome. Hate the aero on the car, but love the stance

To be fair, I didn't go flush for looks. I did it to fit 255s under the fenders. That car is all suspension and maximizing street grip. So the ride height is on purpose. It's low enough to improve the handling without moving the suspension into a range that hurts the handling. The addiional front drop moves the roll centers, comparatively, into a range that helps counter the designed in understeer.

So it's form following function.

I prefer the fitment on the black WRX. That's my kind of wheel 'n tire setup. :w00t:


Now as far as stretch goes, I think the FD's stretch is excessive while the Corvette has the right amount.

Agreed on all accounts.

I agree if that car is on the track at least 80% of the time. Why dial in a suspension for the street? :iono:

I can't speak for anyone but myself on this, but I'm very concerned about my suspension setup and how it handles on the street.

I don't spend a lot of time on the track - and surely never on a road course with my current toy - but every time I get frisky with it on the street, I think it's going to kill me.

Almost 700rwhp on 275-series tires.

A couple reasons. I wanted a suspension that would carve corners on the street and wouldn't hold me back if when I take it to an AutoX or Track day. Now I could go with a dedicated AutoX or Track setup, but it'd beat the hell out of me on the street and wouldn't corner worth a damn on rough public roads. (bounciness is NOT good for handling)

Street performance is important to me also because I sometimes head down to Hocking Hills, OH and the Triple Nickel (Rt. 555). The Hocking Hills area is just rife with tight twisty roads and 55mph speed limits and 555 is Ohio's Tail of the Dragon (which I plan to visit this year).

It's whole different ball of wax to set up a car for street performance, but it was a lot of fun to do. Part way through my build, my front sway was too big for the street because I could feel the inside tire skipping across the ripples in the pavement at the apex of turns. After finishing it isn't as much of an issue. And that came dow to slight changes in geometry.

On roads like the Triple Nickel, I'll put my car with a mild drop and struts against anything slammed on coilovers with stupidly high spring rates any day. And I'll finish the day with less back pain too. :)

To me, suspension tuning is so much more interesting than engine tuning.

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The world needs more of this. That is the most stretch I think I'd ever run.

Lol sorry to bump this thread but I just had to respond since this is my friends s2000. He doesnt own it anymore but he was the one who had it painted that color before he got his Silvia S15...

His old red s2000 and s15 both have been featured in import tuner after he sold them and other well known magazines. Wouldnt be surprised if he had other cars that were features also.

Hes really well known on s2ki forums and probably was one of the first few people to start doing that hella flush stuff on s2000s back in 2004~. His current build is a custom wide body s2000 that is being done by Fast. He goes by silentdancer on s2ki and use to be a mod on those forums until he joined the navy if im not mistaken. He goes through wheels like how a person goes through shoes. Hes had like 3-5 cars since his first s2000. JDM RHD RSX Type R, EVO, multiple s2000s, M3, and now back to an s2000. Check out his build thread at the bottom of this post which has pictures of his old cars too. They all look very clean. But you will never catch me doing that hella flush stuff. Furthest I would go is slamming the car not extreme amounts of camber or anything.

Here is a picture of the car when he had it.
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His S15

It isnt on bags. Its my friends old car before he sold it for an s15. Sold the S15 and bought another s2000 which is now getting custom work done by FAST.

And here is his current build, a custom widebody s2000. Still in the process of getting it done. But its going to look mean when it is complete. Google silentdancer and you will see a ton of his builds on various forums
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/9786...-build-thread/
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The "hellaflush" thing is a subjective matter. Most people do it because of the way it looks. Some people like it, some people don't. Most examples I see from the nay-sayers post extreme examples. 215s on 10.5j wheels with -8 camber and rolled/pulled to shit fenders with no suspension travel whatsoever.

There are cars out there, that achieve the same fitment without being so extreme.


Yes the tires are stretched. Yes the car is low. Yes there is camber the fenders are modified accordingly to fit but this is a much better example than some of the ones I've seen posted.

People will sit there and say that we can't even drive our cars like this because it's not functional at all. I still see numerous cars everywhere this low and lower that function well enough to have fun on the street/track and look good while doing it. Would the car have more grip if it ran wider tires? Sure. Would the car be more functional if it were a bit higher? Possibly. Would it perform better with smaller wheels in general? Probably.

But the car was built to his taste. One of the biggest things people rave about the car is how easy it is to slide. Not a lot of grip on the rear tires. Some of us want to keep that aspect but still want to obtain a specific look, which is why we change the wheels/height accordingly. If we bumped up to a 255 on the rear on the larger wheels, a lot of that character would be gone. There would be so much more grip.

Some of us don't want to constantly change wheels either. I have 17x9 RPF1s coming in and am still staying with 215/45s for it. The car still only makes 160whp. Once the power has been increased from various changes, I'll be able to step up in tire size (probably a 235/40) and still be able to keep the same wheels.

My car is lower than some people might like, and my tire/wheel fitment and alignment may not be to everybody's liking, but when I'm on the track having fun enjoying my setup, for some reason, I seem to not give a flying fuck about anybody else's opinion.

It is what it is. People build cars for certain reasons. Some people want pure function. Some people are willing to compromise a bit of that for particular taste. It'll always be that way. Hellaflush isn't going anywhere though. It was around long before the internet bandwagon sensation took off.

"No matter how hard you try, you can't stop us now":D

I don't know about that. It is still a trend and like all trends, people will move on to something else at some point.

The only thing I can see happening is all of the media coverage from all types of events being those types of cars. The hype will die down, and some people will move on. But there some people who will stay all for it and the cars will still be there

You don't see many of these around now, the fad will pass, some guys will stick with it, most will move on. The cults will continue like donks or lowriders or bombers or mini trucks or whatever but it will fade as most fads do.

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Interesting to read @TylerLieberman "handles well enough to have fun while looking good" along with @Draco-REX "making small adjustments to fine-tune the street feel" methodologies.

Compliance is a word that comes to mind.

@strat61caster did you just post THE FIST?!

Bold. :bellyroll:

been awhile since i've seen a pic of that car

nostalgia

This past weekend, while having brunch with SavetheWheels, that movie came up in conversation. We all had a good laugh. That whole franchise is terrible.

hellaflush = hellastupid

Lol while that car is not longer "cool" today, being an 8 year old kid getting dropped off and picked up from school in this thing was probably one of the most memorable moments from my childhood. That car was fun to ride in. Definitely more than just show. IIRC, it was making just under 570whp.

Are you saying the riceness or the supra itself as a fad will pass?

i think hes referring to the style of the build. the loud and flamboyant modifications. it'll never fully die. there are still people out there that are into it and so long as there are cars and aftermarket parts, cars of similar fashion will always be around.

the fad now is to have a super low car with ridiculous camber and rocket bunny everything.

a lot people just build cars for internet fame these days. too worried about what everybody else will like and not so much as to what they like themselves.


"we spend a bunch of money we don't have to buy parts we don't need to impress people we don't know"

^i always loved that quote.

Rice has already passed and has been replaced by hellaflush.

When's the last time you saw a car look like that Supra in regular driving? Maybe once or twice a year in the past 5 years? Sure every once in awhile you see a wing on a Civic and big wheels but nothing like the rediculous stickers and decals that were prevalent in the early '00s. Meanwhile I see slammed VW's on my commute to work daily.

Supra will remain as a cool car for awhile but I foresee it falling out of favor soon as the rice tax comes down, it generally takes about 40 years for a car to start going up in value from it's low point about 30 years in, for the last generation of Supra I expect prices to fall over the next 10-15 years unless there's a big shift in pop culture or regulations that make the car desirable again.

See cars that are now classic like 60's Corvettes and Mustangs and Camaros and 911s, they were dirt cheap in the 80's left out to rot or sold for scrap, now they're setting records at auctions which if you consider inflation these cars are just NOW selling for what their MSRP was 50 years ago.

1965 Mustang base MSRP: $2395
Adjusted for inflation: $17.7k
Average price of a 'good' condition '65 Mustang: ~$18k

http://www.hagerty.com/valuationtool...port?vc=255616

Consider that right now 50's cars are sky high because demand will always be greater than supply at this point, 70's cars are just starting to swing up (C3 Corvettes, BMW 2002, Datsun 240z, 911's etc.) but they are still several years from breaking even like the cars in the 60's. Again, unless there is a huge shift in regulations or pop culture I doubt this trend will change.

Edit: I agree with Tyler, it'll never disappear completely but rather become a niche market like I mentioned with the Hot Rodders and lowriders and ratted out or whatever else is out there.

The muscle car market is a bad gauge. Those numbers will double and triple for cars that people actually want, like 390 GTs, Z/28s, and Hemi/440 cars. A Plain Jane 69 Camaro driver with a 327 may only be worth 25k, but a 69 Z/28 in the same condition is worth 50k+.

Yep. Not to mention what you'll pay for something really rare, like a Hemi 'Cuda in good condition or a Charger Daytona (both well into 6 figures, last I checked).

I was going to research a couple different models to prove my point but I think I should try to understand yours first. Are you implying that the high end Japanese sports cars of the 90's will follow a different trend from the last 100 years of sports cars? Everything from Mercedes Gullwings to first year Corvettes to the Z28s and Hemi 440's and 911S's were at one point sold for much less than their initial price and for a fraction of what they are valued at now.

Why would the Supra be any different?

Brother in law has a hemi cuda, he paid what I did for my supra, I think you guys need to check out the car market a bit more, also for sale prices and purchases on supras recently has been going up

6-figure for a average well conditioned hemi-cuda? You've been watching to much auction TV