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switchlanez 01-28-2012 01:40 PM

For reference. :D
[u2b]S-BGIcRBPHM[/u2b]

Midship Runabout 01-28-2012 02:05 PM

Flush fitment is as impracticable as a 600hp street car with so much Turbo lag that you never hit boost on the street. Everything doesn't revolve around the performance of a car people.

TylerLieberman 01-28-2012 02:08 PM

^^lol stupid argument.

The guy in favor of functionality definitely has him beat on this argument. The other one is talking about shitty ways of achieving the hellaflush status. Cut springs, rotas etc. That is the lame way to do it. Having a hellaflush car on coilovers, links, Volks and have it done properly is much better and can still be a functional car-granted, not as much so as one setup in other peoples' methods

Just different types of styles and we all have different tastes. I prefer this style...just not the way this animation above portrays

Guff 01-28-2012 03:03 PM

This is semi-relevant, but entertaining nonetheless...

http://www.topgear.com/uk/james-may/...res-2011-01-27

OldSkoolToys 01-28-2012 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by switchlanez (Post 122823)
For reference. :D
[u2b]S-BGIcRBPHM[/u2b]

:lol::lol::lol:
the entire buying coilover segment of that video....I cried laughing.

Dave-ROR 01-28-2012 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 122837)
^^lol stupid argument.

The guy in favor of functionality definitely has him beat on this argument. The other one is talking about shitty ways of achieving the hellaflush status. Cut springs, rotas etc. That is the lame way to do it. Having a hellaflush car on coilovers, links, Volks and have it done properly is much better and can still be a functional car-granted, not as much so as one setup in other peoples' methods

Just different types of styles and we all have different tastes. I prefer this style...just not the way this animation above portrays

What the heck does rota wheels have to do with hellaflush junk?

TylerLieberman 01-28-2012 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 122858)
Then stop trying to tout the performance "benefits" of stretched tires. You're spreading bad knowledge. We get it, you like the look. Honestly, I like a lot of cars with mild tuck. Mostly VIP cars. However, don't try to legitimize it by denying that you're compromising performance for it.

Holy shit, I even said that running hellaflush compromises performance and functionality. You're like the 4th person on this forum who has tried to say I'm wrong by agreeing with something I said.....wtf??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 122879)
What the heck does rota wheels have to do with hellaflush junk?

In refrence to the animation. The comment about the sportmax wheels and cut springs. I said Rota cause they're just as bad, if not, worse.

Mr.Jay 01-28-2012 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 122879)
What the heck does rota wheels have to do with hellaflush junk?

Apparently Rota make your hellaflush setup cheap and shitty where if you spend half your car budget on Volks then you are doing it right?


Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 122910)


In refrence to the animation. The comment about the sportmax wheels and cut springs. I said Rota cause they're just as bad, if not, worse.

Damn I should of refreshed the page before I replied

Dave-ROR 01-28-2012 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 122910)
In refrence to the animation. The comment about the sportmax wheels and cut springs. I said Rota cause they're just as bad, if not, worse.

How many sets have you used or are you just going on the word of the internetz yo?

Or is this just another closed minded "I don't care!" situation?

Dave-ROR 01-28-2012 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay (Post 122925)
Apparently Rota make your hellaflush setup cheap and shitty where if you spend half your car budget on Volks then you are doing it right?

Damn I should of refreshed the page before I replied


I suppose. I've owned multiple sets of Rotas, Volks, some other forged JDM brands. I have no problem with Rota. :shrug:

RRnold 01-29-2012 01:10 AM

Back on topic! Yes hellaflush can be done RIGHT! :D:D:D

I guess this is rice on this forum... ah shucks! :bonk:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...LookingHD2.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1.../LookingHD.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1.../86teammsc.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5091/...2d45dd70_z.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...pedstarlet.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...umpedsunny.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...able/supra.jpg
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...4/DSC_0083.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...dte72wagon.jpg
http://www.motormavens.com/emAlbum/a...ammed-copy.jpg
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam...HEN_3852-2.jpg
http://carjunkies.files.wordpress.co...dan-vip-02.jpg
http://carjunkies.files.wordpress.co...c45ea843_b.jpg
http://carjunkies.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/p8-2.jpg
http://carjunkies.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/p7-1.jpg
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam...0/IMG_5150.jpg

OldSkoolToys 01-29-2012 01:39 AM

that red 86 hatch....yum yum!

Doric 01-29-2012 05:28 PM

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgbiy9ygKI1qf8yek.gif

switchlanez 01-29-2012 05:38 PM

^can u see me can u see me getyo visine onnnn
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Mr.Jay 01-29-2012 05:48 PM

different strokes for different folks i guess

I mean I feel the same about the whole Vanning scene. To me its just ridiculous and absurd yet its pretty popular and people spend a bunch on it

Kunzite 01-29-2012 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRnold (Post 123113)
Back on topic! Yes hellaflush can be done RIGHT! :D:D:D

I guess even a terribly wrong things can be done "right" (i.e. to succeed in breaking a perfectly working car).
But to make a terribly wrong thing right, I'd guess you'll have to do like those folks:
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old greg 01-29-2012 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRnold (Post 123113)
I guess this is rice on this forum... ah shucks! :bonk:

I can't speak for anyone else but to me, yeah, it is. The wheels/alignment/ride height of any of those cars looks as stupid and "trendy" to me as a massive wing and neons on an EK civic.

To each his own.

86'd 01-29-2012 11:21 PM

I guess:

1. It looks too much like the Mini-truck, low riders, I grew up with in SoCal which I never cared for.

2. I'm already 30, starting a family, and I don't want to look like a "cool" 18 year old. I want to look like an adult.

3. It looks to be impractical as hell.

4. The question of, can it be done right is mute. I'm sure 70% of people lowering their cars either cut the springs anyway or put them over blown shocks, so I'm sure people who go the "extra mile" and are into the "hellaflush" scene are ricers by default. I'm sure they don't bother to set a correct camber and toe and just cruise around wondering why their tires are always bald. The ones that "do it right" are probably .0001% and I could care less what that percentage does.

All I want is a clean drop to get rid of most of the wheel well, doesn't scrape, and retains most of a car's handling characteristics.

Anything more than that is just an attempt to fit in to a sub-subculture, to make as a hobby, and to try to stand out. Those sorts of behaviors are again, relegated to people under the age of 25.

And that's fine, but it certainly isn't for me.

Dave-ROR 01-30-2012 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRnold (Post 123113)
Back on topic! Yes hellaflush can be done RIGHT! :D:D:D

I guess this is rice on this forum... ah shucks! :bonk:


I'm not sure what I'd call those, but they are fugly for sure IMO. If I ever do that to my car I give everyone here permission to shoot me in the head.

RRnold 01-30-2012 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kunzite (Post 123274)
I guess even a terribly wrong things can be done "right" (i.e. to succeed in breaking a perfectly working car).
But to make a terribly wrong thing right, I'd guess you'll have to do like those folks:

Quote:

Originally Posted by old greg (Post 123289)
I can't speak for anyone else but to me, yeah, it is. The wheels/alignment/ride height of any of those cars looks as stupid and "trendy" to me as a massive wing and neons on an EK civic.

To each his own.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86'd (Post 123376)
I guess:

1. It looks too much like the Mini-truck, low riders, I grew up with in SoCal which I never cared for.

2. I'm already 30, starting a family, and I don't want to look like a "cool" 18 year old. I want to look like an adult.

3. It looks to be impractical as hell.

4. The question of, can it be done right is mute. I'm sure 70% of people lowering their cars either cut the springs anyway or put them over blown shocks, so I'm sure people who go the "extra mile" and are into the "hellaflush" scene are ricers by default. I'm sure they don't bother to set a correct camber and toe and just cruise around wondering why their tires are always bald. The ones that "do it right" are probably .0001% and I could care less what that percentage does.

All I want is a clean drop to get rid of most of the wheel well, doesn't scrape, and retains most of a car's handling characteristics.

Anything more than that is just an attempt to fit in to a sub-subculture, to make as a hobby, and to try to stand out. Those sorts of behaviors are again, relegated to people under the age of 25.

And that's fine, but it certainly isn't for me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 123401)
I'm not sure what I'd call those, but they are fugly for sure IMO. If I ever do that to my car I give everyone here permission to shoot me in the head.

I guess I'm the minority here. I wouldn't slam my FR-S and put 18x11's like the whole stance scene but I think some of them look cool. My driveway is way too steep for something like that but I do plan to lower it.

The "frog look" (the term it was called when I hang out up in the Bay Area as a kid) has been here since the 80's and it's more common now that rebarrelling is available, a machine to roll the fenders evenly, more available offsets etc.

To me, I like all cars when they are done right; ol skool imports, 90's imports, ol skool classic Chevy's especially a '66 Nova! Not all of the hellaflush run cut springs and most of them run coilovers and air ride suspension.

http://image.chevyhiperformance.com/...chevy_nova.jpg

coyote 01-30-2012 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old greg (Post 123289)
I can't speak for anyone else but to me, yeah, it is. The wheels/alignment/ride height of any of those cars looks as stupid and "trendy" to me as a massive wing and neons on an EK civic.

To each his own.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 123401)
I'm not sure what I'd call those, but they are fugly for sure IMO. If I ever do that to my car I give everyone here permission to shoot me in the head.


Is there a way I can only see posts by these two gentlemen on this forum?

RRnold 01-30-2012 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coyote (Post 123425)
Is there a way I can only see posts by these two gentlemen on this forum?

http://www.nrdly.com/wp-content/blog...na-hate-11.jpg

:bellyroll::bellyroll::bellyroll::bellyroll:

coyote 01-30-2012 01:59 AM

Damn right.

The only thing that might stop me from buying this car is the perceived association with the hellaflush dorifto fad.

I fear these cars will become the ricer's vehicle of choice.

Palmy 01-30-2012 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coyote (Post 123442)
Damn right.

The only thing that might stop me from buying this car is the perceived association with the hellaflush dorifto fad.

I fear these cars will become the ricer's vehicle of choice.

Oh please, its inevitable.

What we have here is a car which by all accounts so far, has the handling characteristics of a super-car, and yet people are already talking about fucking with the suspension before the car is even released. :bonk:

#87 01-30-2012 12:50 PM

I don't think it will become the ricer vehicle of choice. It is going to probably cost similar/more than a civic si and I hardly see those around. Maybe that is because it doesn't come in automatic. Cars that seem to become ricer are popular second hand cars or maybe featured in music videos. For example civics, accords, altimas, g coupe, even chrysler 300. I don't think that "scene" follows logic.

RWDJunkie 01-30-2012 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRnold (Post 123416)
I guess I'm the minority here. I wouldn't slam my FR-S and put 18x11's like the whole stance scene but I think some of them look cool. My driveway is way too steep for something like that but I do plan to lower it.

The "frog look" (the term it was called when I hang out up in the Bay Area as a kid) has been here since the 80's and it's more common now that rebarrelling is available, a machine to roll the fenders evenly, more available offsets etc.

To me, I like all cars when they are done right; ol skool imports, 90's imports, ol skool classic Chevy's especially a '66 Nova! Not all of the hellaflush run cut springs and most of them run coilovers and air ride suspension.

http://image.chevyhiperformance.com/...chevy_nova.jpg

Pretty much the same for me. I've never done it and probably won't ever slam any car of mine because it's not my thing when it comes to application. I do like seeing it from time to time though. But "done right" is subjective to individual tastes of course.


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For example: the Looking AE86 you posted is a track drifted car (check the video and see he still has room for suspension travel), so I'm not bothered by the fitment or stance. In fact, most of those old school rides look fine to me. But I think that purple Odyssey looks like absolute crap. And while the camber isn't terrible, the WRX gets no love since I don't like the idea of slamming AWD cars.

Again, it comes down to individual taste.

RRnold 01-30-2012 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWDJunkie (Post 123649)
Pretty much the same for me. I've never done it and probably won't ever slam any car of mine because it's not my thing when it comes to application. I do like seeing it from time to time though. But "done right" is subjective to individual tastes of course.


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For example: the Looking AE86 you posted is a track drifted car (check the video and see he still has room for suspension travel), so I'm not bothered by the fitment or stance. In fact, most of those old school rides look fine to me. But I think that purple Odyssey looks like absolute crap. And while the camber isn't terrible, the WRX gets no love since I don't like the idea of slamming AWD cars.

Again, it comes down to individual taste.

:bellyroll:I like that look just as much as I like how he made sure his 2 packs of Marlboro Reds were secure in the cup holder! I have smoked a cigarette is over 6 yrs!

I posted the Looking Hachi since Zaku was asking about that Creme/Beige color that was popular in the 80's. The only benefit of stretching the tires is to clear the fender. It's funny to see how people like Japanese cars so much yet don't like the wheels, esp the AE86.

I agree with the Odyssey since #1-I would never own a mini van, no matter if I had 5 little brats and #2-Lavender paint:thumbdown:. The point I was making with the Odyssey was that it was on air ride so it's only tucked like that when it's parked.

old greg 01-30-2012 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coyote (Post 123425)
Is there a way I can only see posts by these two gentlemen on this forum?

Biggest ignore list in the history of teh interweb? :D

RRnold 01-30-2012 09:56 PM

Hellaflush next to HellYEAH! Keep h8'in snitches! :D

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...36655834_n.jpg
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...34843365_n.jpg

86'd 01-31-2012 11:54 AM

In that pic the FR-S is bigger than the AE86, but not by much. And even dumped the AE86 and the FR-S are about the same height.

Hrmm...

BoostJunkie 01-31-2012 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giccin (Post 121557)
With my speeding habits. I personally don't think hellaflush can ever be done right. :P

Scrappppppeeeeeee.

Amen!

catharsis 01-31-2012 03:52 PM

Hellaflush can never be done "right" As in functional. It's a stupid trend, that like underglows will become "rice" in a few years. Sadly I think this car will be the go to car for hellaflushers in a few years. Kind like 350z's are now.

TylerLieberman 01-31-2012 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catharsis (Post 124355)
Hellaflush can never be done "right" As in functional. It's a stupid trend, that like underglows will become "rice" in a few years. Sadly I think this car will be the go to car for hellaflushers in a few years. Kind like 350z's are now.


Except Zs are lame as hell :D

catharsis 01-31-2012 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 124565)
Except Zs are lame as hell :D

I agree, never liked them myself.

switchlanez 02-03-2012 12:46 AM

ze fitted look + pimpish video editing

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Guff 02-03-2012 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by switchlanez (Post 126141)
ze fitted look + pimpish video editing

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I quite like this!

merlin2111 02-03-2012 02:36 AM

ooo someone went to film school/knows how to use a dolly rig.

Nice ride, a guy who goes to my gym and lives out by me has a jdm turbo mr2 that is very very nice. When he sees me and I have the top down we usually talk cars for the 30 seconds we are stuck together at a red light.

TylerLieberman 02-04-2012 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 126966)
There's a 60 page long thread on my350z dedicated to fat tires and no stretch.

http://my350z.com/forum/wheels-and-t...es-thread.html

First picture.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/g...g?t=1245418036

Most recent picture.

http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/p...11073797_n.jpg

Again...stupid. Using a car that isnt even hellaflush and just extremely retarded. There are tons of much better examples out there.

Maxim 02-05-2012 09:56 AM

It's got the "word" hella in it. Enough said....

ahausheer 02-05-2012 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxim (Post 127490)
It's got the "word" hella in it. Enough said....


Exactly, anything with a hella prefix can not be done right.


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