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supra2nv 07-04-2013 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Ryuu0u (Post 1043509)
Some times I tell my car what a naughty car it's been and I give it a little spank on the bumper. Then I send it to the garage to think about what it has done.

Am I being too hard on my car?
I thought I was the only one who did this kinda stuff lol:)

chadstyle 07-04-2013 10:04 AM
I drive my car HARD!! But I also maintain it meticulously and do all oil changes and fluid swaps way ahead of schedule. I also double clutch downshifts and always match up gear speeds and never abuse the clutch. Driving "hard" doesn't mean abusing the car...

FRiSson 07-04-2013 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary in NJ (Post 1043397)
Yes, because over 100,000 miles you will save less then 100 gallons of fuel. That's a whole $375 at todays prices.
Your numbers are a little off Gary.

MT: 25mpg EPA Average.
100,000/25 = 4,000 gals

AT: 28mpg EPA Average.
100,000/28 = 3,571 gals

Savings with AT (4,000 - 3,571 =) 429 gals

429 x $3.75 per gallon/premium gas = $1,609 for 100,000 miles.

Note: in real world driving, the difference in MPG AT to MT appears to be much smaller.

FRiSson 07-04-2013 10:18 AM
You are not suspending general physical laws here. The harder you stress something the more wear and tear occurs. This happens whether or not the car "was built to play hard".

As to what is "too hard" it is a tradeoff between money+time-in-the-shop vs enjoyment of the vehicle. If you think drifting and releasing streams of carbon particles into the atmosphere is a good use of your time on the planet go with that. If you place a greater value on expenditure of money on family, friends, causes, education, and protecting the air and water, etc.. play a little less hard.

pmdc 07-04-2013 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by FRiSson (Post 1045017)
Your numbers are a little off Gary.

MT: 25mpg EPA Average.
100,000/25 = 4,000 gals

AT: 28mpg EPA Average.
100,000/28 = 3,571 gals

Savings with AT (4,000 - 3,571 =) 429 gals

429 x $3.75 per gallon/premium gas = $1,609 for 100,000 miles.

Note: in real world driving, the difference in MPG AT to MT appears to be much smaller.
I consider mpg numbers for an mt nothing but a ballpark figure, since it's entirely up to the driver how much gas they burn. I've had a 2001 corolla as my backup car for years, and it's supposed to be a little over 8L per 100km and I average 5.5 without even babying it.

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chadstyle 07-04-2013 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by FRiSson (Post 1045029)
You are not suspending general physical laws here. The harder you stress something the more wear and tear occurs. This happens whether or not the car "was built to play hard".

As to what is "too hard" it is a tradeoff between money+time-in-the-shop vs enjoyment of the vehicle. If you think drifting and releasing streams of carbon particles into the atmosphere is a good use of your time on the planet go with that. If you place a greater value on expenditure of money on family, friends, causes, education, and protecting the air and water, etc.. play a little less hard.
Maybe buy a Prius if those are your priorities. I'm a firm believer in live and let live but the whole point of this car is having fun and being a little juvenile at heart.

supra2nv 07-04-2013 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by FRiSson (Post 1045029)
You are not suspending general physical laws here. The harder you stress something the more wear and tear occurs. This happens whether or not the car "was built to play hard".

As to what is "too hard" it is a tradeoff between money+time-in-the-shop vs enjoyment of the vehicle. If you think drifting and releasing streams of carbon particles into the atmosphere is a good use of your time on the planet go with that. If you place a greater value on expenditure of money on family, friends, causes, education, and protecting the air and water, etc.. play a little less hard.
I like this haha...logical

Braces 07-04-2013 11:01 AM
You're not hurting the car. I'm pretty sure most of us will not exceed the engineering tolerances of this car. Of course there is always a few who can.

bkblitzed 07-04-2013 11:08 AM
i shift up to 7400 on a daily basis so you should be fine.

FRiSson 07-04-2013 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by chadstyle (Post 1045096)
Maybe buy a Prius if those are your priorities. I'm a firm believer in live and let live but the whole point of this car is having fun and being a little juvenile at heart.
In other words, anytime anyone even mentions environment and science, you feel intimidated and oppressed. Note that I never mentioned my priorities you simply erroneously inferred them. As far as the mindless statement "live and let live" that doesn't really work when we share the same air and water - does it?

Gary in NJ 07-04-2013 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by FRiSson (Post 1045017)
Your numbers are a little off Gary.

MT: 25mpg EPA Average.
100,000/25 = 4,000 gals

AT: 28mpg EPA Average.
100,000/28 = 3,571 gals

Savings with AT (4,000 - 3,571 =) 429 gals

429 x $3.75 per gallon/premium gas = $1,609 for 100,000 miles.

Note: in real world driving, the difference in MPG AT to MT appears to be much smaller.
Yeah, I was thinking real world numbers. Usually the difference between an MT and a AT is about 1 mpg. I routinely get 35-36 mpg highway and about 28 around town (although I live in a rural area so "around town" doesn't include a lot of stop and go or lights). It seems reasonable that a AT would be about 1 mpg above those numbers.

Regardless, choosing an AT over a MT for mileage is just a lazy excuse for saying "I don't like to drive a MT...can't be bothered". It's not for everyone.

chadstyle 07-04-2013 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by FRiSson (Post 1045133)
In other words, anytime anyone even mentions environment and science, you feel intimidated and oppressed. Note that I never mentioned my priorities you simply erroneously inferred them. As far as the mindless statement "live and let live" that doesn't really work when we share the same air and water - does it?
Intimidated and oppressed? What are you talking about????

I wasn't saying "your" priorities as "you" but for anyone who has the priorities that you listed.

You obviously read way to far into my comment. The point was that this car is made for people who love to drive and have fun doing so. So for people with THOSE priorities this car is perfect.

If you feel the urge to discuss the environment further along with the air we breath and water we drink I'm sure there is a really awesome forum out there to satisfy you fully. :)

Ndgreely 07-04-2013 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Ryuu0u (Post 1043509)
Some times I tell my car what a naughty car it's been and I give it a little spank on the bumper. Then I send it to the garage to think about what it has done.

Am I being too hard on my car?
.. Haha amazing !!! :party0030::burnrubber:

Mikem53 07-04-2013 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Fr-s13 (Post 1043330)
Ok. First I'm going to apologize for this because why I think like this I do not know. It's just the way I am idk what it is haha. Anyway, I did some driving the other day. Met up with some friends and they wanted me to spin the tires. I take it around a turn in first gear and let it get sideways then it jumps to a straight line. No problems. I've done this a few times. I feel like I'm hard on my car when I do this but I'm probably not? Am I hard on the car? Why do I feel this way haha.
You're fine.. The car is built for "fun" and can take this kind of driving style in stride. Also..
The stock tires will absorb most of the abuse as they easily lose traction and relieve the stress on the drivetrain.. So no harm done..


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