Ok guys, even if you don't care much for different car cultures. At least be respectful to others especially if you disagree with their views and tastes. Telling people they are stupid/retarded/silly for liking different things is stretching my tolerance.

Its clear that the stance movement is a culture, encompassing;(Oni Cars, HellaFlush, Hellapoke, VIP, and others i forget to mention) is not clearly defined or identified, only placed among a spectrum of possibilities.

Regardless of which ever defining characteristic you place on that movement. If you choose to follow, there are 3 rules Id urge you to consider.

1. Do not do anything that could endanger yourself.
2. Do not do anything that could endanger others.
3. Never assume your setup is free of rules 1 & 2.

To me hellaflush is in the same category as a car that is riced out.

Personally I don't consider calling a trend retarded to be the same as calling a person retarded. The two things are completely different.

I've done plenty of retarded things in my life, but I'm not a tard.. well maybe I'm a bad example. :P

I have no problem calling an inanimate object stupid. That doesn't go against the TOS of the forum. Calling another member stupid is a different story.

I agree and it did originate from somewhere where it was functional! ;)

http://doristars.com/v-web/gallery/a...copy.sized.jpg
http://scene-media.com/blog/wp-conte...titled-1-1.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2687/...b111b7d5_o.jpg
http://www.autospecsltd.com/Japanese..._Drift_Car.jpg

Oh yeah, an exhibition event :)

Even if we want to call them race cars I certainly hope people keep their street cars at a safer level than their race cars. The cage/seat/harness is the only thing safe about my race car.

:bellyroll: me too!

I understand completely they are two different things and does not break TOS. However let me also say that many tuners and enthusiast believe that a vehicle is also an extension of them-self. Some see the car as a blank canvas, and project their own sense of beauty onto the car. This does not escape engineering minded individuals who build their car for function. Also a personal projection of who they are.

When you start to describe someones car in an ill manner, its not surprising that they would take it as a personal attack. Even more so for one who is in love..or attached to their car.

When you start to describe someones beliefs in an ill manner, like a car culture or even religion, politics, ect..they will take it as a personal attack. Again amplified to how attached they are to the ideals.

Whichever the justification is wrong or right. Just be aware of this psychological element before directing any sort of hate towards something.

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that being said

majority of hella-flush guys are retarded :bellyroll: j/k

Don't forget FWD... that's a safety feature! :bellyroll: ;) j/k

Not just exhibition events either. The BTCC and JTCC carsback in the days were all slammed! I loved the old Nissan Primeras. It was actually fun to watch some of those races on the old Speed TV before they sold out to Nascar.

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam...p/primera1.jpg
http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/imag...eries-in-m.jpg
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam..._93_winkel.jpg
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam...1993_soper.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...323F/p1ri5.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...0Accord/52.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i.../DSCF00361.jpg

Because Race Car.

FWD is a safety feature for those who can't drive, like me :)

And I wouldn't describe any of that second set of pics as hellaflush.

:respekt:

Based on Andrew's post, the neg camber and being tucked seem to fit the bill but hellaflush has been domesticated to a household term. I know it refers more towards the wide wheels, super stretched tires, and -5 deg camber.

I don't mean to sound like an advocate for the hellaflush look but it's been around since the 80's in both Japan and in Europe. Car enthusiasts want to keep pushing the envelope and perhaps it's beyond people's threshold.

To me, it's not that bad and I've seen uglier that I'd rather hate on than the hellaflush look.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3242/...2d78e9ce_o.jpg
http://www.thespeedlounge.com/sl/wp-...anMateo221.jpg

"Hellaflush" and "retain drive-ability and performance" don't belong in the same sentence; it's just grammatically incorrect, not to mention scientifically impossible.


I mean unless... http://www.jasperfforde.com/toad/images/hovercar.jpg
If you can say F*** you physics then ANYTHING is possible :happyanim:

needs more hellajiggawatts

http://static.cargurus.com/images/si...pic-61074.jpeg

.....Ok

A car CAN be hellaflush and still be functional. WingsofWar said it spot on. Far too many people are getting onicamber "VIP" style cars confused with the term hellaflush. Hellaflush does not mean the car has to be dropped to where you're tucking 2" of rim and running 3+degrees of camber front and rear....

I saw a question regarding movement of the wheels....Simple, when the rear end squats, the rear wheels camber in. Imagine this:

l <-fender
/ <-stretched sidewall of tire

^^Kinda ghetto but imagine as the wheel moves up, the wheel cambers in further and the stretched sidewall is allowing for extra clearance. When done right, you should have little to no rubbing on the fenders. Granted, hellaflush and super low ride height is not the way to be when you wanna be super competative. (Formula D-but FD sucks anyways)

What's funny is the people that try to shoot it down and hate and they have the most ridiculous examples as to why it's dumb. People talk about cut springs, cars that sit on the ground and run retarded camber.
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam.../xdc/two19.jpg

See this car in real life and it is hellaflush. With 18x11 with 275/35 tires and no more than a degree of camber in the rear. Very competative still.

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam...r/xdc/two4.jpg

^^Another great example. Homie George Marstanovic back in AZ in this car. Took 3rd for the 2011 XDC series.

IT CAN BE DONE! You just have to do it right!