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Horrid_Funk 05-30-2018 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard_BRZ (Post 3092723)
Hey guys, prepping to install camber bolts up front. Form what I gather in this thread I have two options:
1. Run SPC bolts (81305) in bottom hole and move the OEM 14mm crash bolts to the top.
OR
2. Run SPC bolts (81305) in bottom hole and Whiteline bolts (KCA416) in the top.


Can anyone tell me if they are running the first option and how it's holding up, or if it's better to spend more for the second option.


Thanks!:thumbsup:

I'm running the second option (But with SPC 81280 not the Whiteline ones) and it's held up with -2.3 for a thousand miles and a track day so far. I've been told it's not a great idea to run two eccentric bolts, though, as there's a greater likelihood of slipping. I'd probably recommend doing option 1 because you can probably get pretty much the same camber but without that risk. I'll probably be going back to that if/when it slips and I need to get another alignment.

Horrid_Funk 05-30-2018 07:17 PM

See here:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=47
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=56

Horrid_Funk 05-31-2018 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonardo (Post 3093229)
81305 14mm is for the top. It does not work in the bottom. 12mm 81250 is for the bottom.

That's incorrect. 81305 is for the bottom, 81280 is for the top. I am currently running it this way and the instructions say to replace the bottom bolt. See here:

http://www.spcalignment.com/instruct...05-INS_WEB.pdf

jamal 05-31-2018 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonardo (Post 3093669)
No. no. no. 81305 is for the top. The tab on the washer has to fit in the hole, it does not on the bottom. Yes 81305 fits in the bottom hole, but without enough extra room for adjustment of the lobe.

I have 3 sets of 81305. And a set of 81250. They work as I stated...

The shank of the bolt plus the tab on the washer is the same width as the cam. So if the cam is 14mm and fits in the lower hole, then it should work with the washer in place if you install them properly. I have a set of the 81260s and they go in the smaller 14mm strut holes on my car, with the tabbed washer, just fine.

With the smaller 12/14mm bolt in the larger 16mm upper hole you have a lot of free play between everything which is not great.

81260 = kca414 = 81305 = 12mm bolt with 14mm cam and they go in the lower hole
81280 = kca416 = 14mm bolt with 16mm cam and they go in the upper hole

Richard_BRZ 05-31-2018 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonardo (Post 3093685)
Ill get pics with my micrometer. I just went through the instsll, and had to order different ones to get them to work in the lower hole.



I just installed 81305 10 minutes ago, went in the bottom hole perfectly with a decent amount of camber keeping the stock 16mm on top.


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churchx 06-01-2018 01:38 AM

Hmm, but is there 12 or 13mm bolt with 16mm cam? I guess such might provide more adjustment range at expense of reduced strength, but that might be acceptable compromise to some?

gpvecchi 06-01-2018 02:03 AM

So, with lower camber bolt, it's better 14 mm stock bolt or another camber bolt on top?

Leonardo 06-04-2018 08:29 PM

Ok... I want to start by saying that I am sorry for being so stubborn and incorrect to:

@Horrid Funk & @jamal

81305 fits in the bottom. I read so much conflicting data... Ahhh, but there is no excuse for spreading false info.

I was wrong - my bad!



Here is my car with 81305 top and 81250 bottom. If my rear is -2.2, Im guessing i have -3 front.



https://i.imgflip.com/2bm7kp.jpgvia Imgflip Meme Generator

https://i.imgflip.com/2bm7ub.jpgvia Imgflip Meme Generator

Leonardo 06-05-2018 04:37 PM

Better pics...
18x8 +35 with 215/40 front.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/pict...ictureid=11403

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/pict...ictureid=11404

finch1750 06-05-2018 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonardo (Post 3095105)
Ok... I want to start by saying that I am sorry for being so stubborn and incorrect to:

@Horrid Funk & @jamal

81305 fits in the bottom. I read so much conflicting data... Ahhh, but there is no excuse for spreading false info.

I was wrong - my bad!



Here is my car with 81305 top and 81250 bottom. If my rear is -2.2, Im guessing i have -3 front.



You might want to go back and edit the incorrect posts in case someone doesn't finish reading the thread

Horrid_Funk 06-05-2018 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonardo (Post 3095105)
Ok... I want to start by saying that I am sorry for being so stubborn and incorrect to:

@Horrid Funk & @jamal

81305 fits in the bottom. I read so much conflicting data... Ahhh, but there is no excuse for spreading false info.

I was wrong - my bad!



Here is my car with 81305 top and 81250 bottom. If my rear is -2.2, Im guessing i have -3 front.



https://i.imgflip.com/2bm7kp.jpgvia Imgflip Meme Generator

https://i.imgflip.com/2bm7ub.jpgvia Imgflip Meme Generator

No worries man :thumbup: Running it that way those bolts are both 2mm smaller than what I'm running, so it looks like you're getting tons of camber out of them. Idk how safe that is but that's more than I've seen anyone get from camber bolts.

Petah78 02-20-2021 08:25 AM

Bringing this back up from the dead. I know there are a couple ways to use camber bolts:

1. 81305/81260 can be used in the bottom hole, OEM 14mm crash bolt (stock lower hole bolt) can then be moved to the upper hole.

2. 81280 in the upper, 81305/81260 in the lower hole.

I believe that ether option will work but wouldn’t option 2 be less prone to slipping? 82180 is a camber/lobed bolt meaning so it’s not solely relying on pressure (like the oem crash bolt) to keep it in place? And does anyone know the torque spec to the OEM crash bolt if i elected to use option 1?

churchx 02-20-2021 09:07 AM

"OEM crash bolt" is normal 14mm bolt used in 16mm bolt hole for some adjustment slack gain. Maybe such naming may confuse that it's in some way special? It's not, and i guess somewhere in service manuals it's torque value should be mention.
As for option 1 or 2 .. i'd rather go for 2, but for different reason. Camberbolts are relatively (to other camber adjustment means or alignment job cost) cheap, so not much to save of not getting another camberbolt pair, and at least for me camberbolts in both holes (I used WL's KCA416 in upper though) allowed for slightly more maxed out camber then camberbolt in lower & relocated OE bolt in upper.

RToyo86 02-20-2021 09:08 AM

Those bolts are to be torqued to 114 foot pounds.
I installed 81305 on the lower and the instructions specify lower torque around 100 if memory serves me correctly.

I have 81305 lower, crash/lower bolt up top. I ended up with -2.3° even on both sides.
For me it was convenience at the time and goals when I ordered my original bolt. I was only after small bump in camber, but later wanted more. The lower bolt sitting in the garage is an easy swap.

If you have specific camber goals, two adjustable bolts makes sense. They're cheap. You still have your stock bolts if needed.

Petah78 02-20-2021 10:22 AM

Thanks for the reply. I ran 2 sets of bolts in my 2010 Acura before so i will likely run 2 sets for the BRZ. I don't plan to lower my car much so i am hoping to max out camber with what i can with bolts. Thanks for the replies.


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