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Cliu91 07-23-2014 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Chop Shop (Post 1861476)
How much did you end up paying for the car in total? Looking to buy a FR-S but the used ones around me are all priced around 20k-23k at that rate I might as well look for a new one. Also, what other fees would they attempt to add on?
Some charge for vin etching, wheels locks, or some bullshit admin fee. If you EVER see admin fee ask them for the details. No "admin" fee should ever equal $500 (that's like $100/hour) for paper processing. This should be included in their job description.

Ask for dealer invoice cause it will allow you to see how much they are. Me telling you how much I paid is pointless seeing as you live in the states. Just know that you CAN negotiate. If you're looking at a base FRS model you could probably get one for $24-$25k '14 year model when the '15s roll out in full force. Before taxes and freight obviously.

MokSpeed 07-23-2014 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by xxBrun0xx (Post 1861501)
Wow, some of you guys are getting ripped. Paid $25,400 for my 14 BRZ Limited without any haggling. I did haggle trade in for my sti (ended up getting KBB Private Sale for it). Can't believe people are paying $28k BEFORE tax and fees. MSRP is NOT what the dealer paid, despite what they tell you. Even "Dealer Invoice" on edmunds/some fake sticker the dealership gives you is more than they paid.

Check truecar.com. Was a big eye opener for me.
Scion's pure pricing is a reason for this but another large reason that you see more of a discount with the BRZ is because though they list the suggested MSRP the same they sell for much cheaper because they don't want it to affect WRX sales since they would fall in about the same price range. Not to mention most prefer the FR-S front bumper over the BRZ so they're willing to pay for it.

rawrmatty 07-23-2014 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by hypercarfanatic (Post 1855069)
Thanks for your advice everyone! I am going to the dealership, and will hopefully trade in my 7,000 mile F-150 for somewhere around 20K, and knock the price down to MRSB. One can hope right? :P
Gratz!!

What color are you going to get ?

I just bought my FRS last weekend and honestly it was such a easy experience. I too was a little iffy about the whole pure price thing but I got my car for exactly what I wanted and the only thing they tried to sell me on was the extended warranty and lo jack... But that is easily taken off once you say so.

Post pics when you get your new baby !

hypercarfanatic 07-23-2014 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rawrmatty (Post 1861749)
Gratz!!

What color are you going to get ?

I just bought my FRS last weekend and honestly it was such a easy experience. I too was a little iffy about the whole pure price thing but I got my car for exactly what I wanted and the only thing they tried to sell me on was the extended warranty and lo jack... But that is easily taken off once you say so.

Post pics when you get your new baby !
Hahahah thanks - unfortunately, my parents are iffy about me driving a sports car, regardless of my flawless record and mutually-deemed responsible driving :sigh:. So, they said wait until December, and they will see how my driving is, and the financial situation. Anyways, I was looking at Raven black, and I most certainly will not only post pics, but make a build thread :P

If you don't mind, why did you turn down lo jack? I didn't know that was an option, and was going to install it aftermarket anyways.

AsianStyle 07-23-2014 05:30 PM
I think pure pricing works both ways. I bought my car when the twins were on very high demand and very short supply. Subaru dealerships were marking up the cars and had a longer wait list. I was perfectly happy with paying msrp for my car.

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Chimera 07-23-2014 06:02 PM
other have said this, but the pure price is a gimmick that basically says they want the paperwork to have the sales price at a certain point, but you can negotiate other things, like trades for example for quite a lot. I traded in my motorcycle for $300 less that what I paid for it in the first place 2 years prior.

xxBrun0xx 07-23-2014 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MokSpeed (Post 1861728)
Scion's pure pricing is a reason for this but another large reason that you see more of a discount with the BRZ is because though they list the suggested MSRP the same they sell for much cheaper because they don't want it to affect WRX sales since they would fall in about the same price range. Not to mention most prefer the FR-S front bumper over the BRZ so they're willing to pay for it.
This has literally nothing to do with the WRX. At all. A similarly equipped WRX will cost you over $30k. I built a WRX with similar equipment on their website for shits and giggles and it was $33k. I think the real issue is that Subaru dealerships are a lot less common in warmer areas. Subaru has trained its customers to think they need AWD. Trying to convince people in areas that get a lot of snow that they should get a low, RWD coupe over a WRX can't be very easy. The dealership I bought mine from told me the reason the car was so cheap was because they just couldn't sell BRZ's in February. I believe it.

Also, yes, the FRS front grill is pretty, but the BRZ comes with a lot more stuff than the base model FRS. So for the same money, no reason not to get the Subie. Oh, and it'll also hold it's value better because they're "rarer". Go figure.

VeezyF 07-24-2014 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by rawrmatty (Post 1861749)
Gratz!!

What color are you going to get ?

I just bought my FRS last weekend and honestly it was such a easy experience. I too was a little iffy about the whole pure price thing but I got my car for exactly what I wanted and the only thing they tried to sell me on was the extended warranty and lo jack... But that is easily taken off once you say so.

Post pics when you get your new baby !
you are blessed plus you're in cali - they have great dealers there.

rawrmatty 07-25-2014 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by hypercarfanatic (Post 1861818)
Hahahah thanks - unfortunately, my parents are iffy about me driving a sports car, regardless of my flawless record and mutually-deemed responsible driving :sigh:. So, they said wait until December, and they will see how my driving is, and the financial situation. Anyways, I was looking at Raven black, and I most certainly will not only post pics, but make a build thread :P

If you don't mind, why did you turn down lo jack? I didn't know that was an option, and was going to install it aftermarket anyways.
Well just stick in there! Sooner then you know it December will be here!

I turned down the Lo Jack cause I wanted my payments to be as low as possible and if I ever wanted it to be installed its a simple trip to the dealership. So the option will always be there in the future.

xxBrun0xx 07-25-2014 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rawrmatty (Post 1865527)
I turned down the Lo Jack cause I wanted my payments to be as low as possible and if I ever wanted it to be installed its a simple trip to the dealership. So the option will always be there in the future.
And because it's a waste of money. It's not exactly the most inconspicuous car in the world...

asdf^ 07-26-2014 05:30 PM
Hi, first time poster here. Very interested in a new white manual FRS monogram 2014. I've been looking around and the longer I wait, the harder it seems to get a hold of. I recently talked to a dealer regarding one and he said he can get a hold of one (fog lights were already added on). This is my first time buying a car and looking at the whole pure price, it's very difficult to gage if its a good deal or not. I was quoted for 28.5k (not OTD price). Is this a fair price?

I'm still undecided on which twin to get. Since you can bargain down the BRZ and save a ton for a 2015 limited.

amilleri 07-26-2014 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by hypercarfanatic (Post 1854237)
Thats what I thought. So, 2014 Raven FR-S Monogram (No add ons). MRSB is $28,155. Dealer is asking $29,500. What is the max I should pay? I was thinking $26,000 - $27,000 if I am lucky, otherwise $28K flat top price. Does that sound reasonable?
I paid 28.5 out the door on my asphalt monogram.

hypercarfanatic 07-26-2014 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by asdf^ (Post 1867161)
Hi, first time poster here. Very interested in a new white manual FRS monogram 2014. I've been looking around and the longer I wait, the harder it seems to get a hold of. I recently talked to a dealer regarding one and he said he can get a hold of one (fog lights were already added on). This is my first time buying a car and looking at the whole pure price, it's very difficult to gage if its a good deal or not. I was quoted for 28.5k (not OTD price). Is this a fair price?

I'm still undecided on which twin to get. Since you can bargain down the BRZ and save a ton for a 2015 limited.
Hi there, and welcome to the forum - you're in for a wild time :cheers:

As for your question (note - I do not own the car, but have done more research than is healthy, so take what I have to say with a grain of salt), I would say it is inline with most prices in the Bay Area, and on the low side of the average. You can reference the KBB value (which is how, at least in cali, 90% of dealers appraise their cars), which is $28,550 (http://www.kbb.com/scion/fr-s/2014-s...s=5753145|true)


Remember - this price (as I have learned from this thread) is a starting point. I would try to work him down, if you can

asdf^ 07-27-2014 05:06 AM
Has anyone else worked down the prices at the dealership? After talking to a few dealers in the SoCal area, they all seem intent on selling it at their "Pure Price" crap :(

Golferguy667 07-28-2014 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by asdf^ (Post 1867787)
Has anyone else worked down the prices at the dealership? After talking to a few dealers in the SoCal area, they all seem intent on selling it at their "Pure Price" crap :(

If they only have the same year car. IE all 2014s on the ground they may not move on price. If they do, legally they have to do it for every single other frs on the ground of that year.

Now your costing them more than just the single discount. NOW, That being said.. Not all dealers play by the rules of Toyota.

xxBrun0xx 07-29-2014 09:42 AM
For those new to buying a new car, keep in mind that the internet is your friend. Most dealerships will happily deliver a car within quite a large area, so if a dealership 50 miles away can beat the one down the street in price, go with the one 50 miles away. The dealership I bought my BRZ from regularly delivers cars +300 miles away! There is even a BRZ order thread floating around for a dealership out in Colarado that claims to beat any price anywhere on a new BRZ. They will deliver anywhere in the US. The world is getting smaller every day!

MokSpeed 07-29-2014 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by xxBrun0xx (Post 1862035)
This has literally nothing to do with the WRX. At all. A similarly equipped WRX will cost you over $30k. I built a WRX with similar equipment on their website for shits and giggles and it was $33k. I think the real issue is that Subaru dealerships are a lot less common in warmer areas. Subaru has trained its customers to think they need AWD. Trying to convince people in areas that get a lot of snow that they should get a low, RWD coupe over a WRX can't be very easy. The dealership I bought mine from told me the reason the car was so cheap was because they just couldn't sell BRZ's in February. I believe it.

Also, yes, the FRS front grill is pretty, but the BRZ comes with a lot more stuff than the base model FRS. So for the same money, no reason not to get the Subie. Oh, and it'll also hold it's value better because they're "rarer". Go figure.
This has everything to do with the WRX. Going along with your argument, a base WRX starts around $26,300 while a BRZ premium starts at around $25,600 and this is without TT&L or any additions. Given that small price gap, a consumer who doesn't give a shit about fancy interior features like myself would consider a faster car with AWD the better purchase. Because of this reason, they had to make a noticeable price gap between an equally equipped WRX with the same options as a BRZ limited in order to actually sell BRZs. You basically proved my point with your entire post.

VeezyF 07-29-2014 01:36 PM
so then what's everyones OTD? that's where my trouble is.. I have about half to put down on the car but these added dealer fees are ridiculous -- that's why i keep walking. I get to finance - and then i see the final OTD fee and my payments are sky high with stupid dealer fees.

FRSpappa 07-29-2014 01:41 PM
2014 Whiteout FRS 6spd, $27k OTD two months ago in SoCal...


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Moonkei 07-29-2014 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by xxBrun0xx (Post 1870809)
For those new to buying a new car, keep in mind that the internet is your friend. Most dealerships will happily deliver a car within quite a large area, so if a dealership 50 miles away can beat the one down the street in price, go with the one 50 miles away. The dealership I bought my BRZ from regularly delivers cars +300 miles away! There is even a BRZ order thread floating around for a dealership out in Colarado that claims to beat any price anywhere on a new BRZ. They will deliver anywhere in the US. The world is getting smaller every day!
What is the Subaru dealership called in Colorado?

xxBrun0xx 07-29-2014 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MokSpeed (Post 1870929)
This has everything to do with the WRX. Going along with your argument, a base WRX starts around $26,300 while a BRZ premium starts at around $25,600 and this is without TT&L or any additions. Given that small price gap, a consumer who doesn't give a shit about fancy interior features like myself would consider a faster car with AWD the better purchase. Because of this reason, they had to make a noticeable price gap between an equally equipped WRX with the same options as a BRZ limited in order to actually sell BRZs. You basically proved my point with your entire post.
Respectfully, you're assuming most enthusiasts (the target market for both cars) don't care about features (interior, in this case), always prefer AWD to RWD, don't care how the body looks, don't care about weight, don't care how many doors the car has, don't care about handling, and will make up their minds without test driving both cars. While some of these assumptions apply to some people, I'd like to think the modern enthusiast takes everything into consideration before making a purchase.

MokSpeed 07-29-2014 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by xxBrun0xx (Post 1871400)
I'd like to think the modern enthusiast takes everything into consideration before making a purchase.

Highly doubtful which is why the stance scene exists. Just calling it like I see it. Not all but most like you said.


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