I'm all for giving the full story. Comments I was referring to didn't provide the full story, but were meant to slight one of the kits as inferior to the other due to having cooling issues, as if the kit design is to blame for the problem. Comments were made with the intention of shining a light on one of the kits as inferior to the other, and circumstances provided as support for the concern that are not exclusive to the kit (overheating during track abuse), or inherent of the kit's particular design.

It wasn't an example of providing the full story. Cooling concerns were brought into this thread as a means to slight one of the kits, not as a suggested concern of both/any kit(s), which is the only reason cooling concerns should have been included here.

You are correct, BOTH kits should have cooling addressed, but this isn't what was being advised, which is why I made a statement. It's wasn't helpful advise/input.

The OP asked a question about his power goals in respect to two different kits. He was getting input on this, but someone felt it necessary to share anecdotal evidence of one kit's inferiority. It was bias against one of the kits, with no legitimate evidence that the kit was to blame for any type of failure, and did not immediately relate to the OP's request, or ensuing discussion on power output. Answering the OP's questions without all the bias white-noise isn't sugar coating or telling fairy-tales.

Hi,

If you have any specific questions towards the AVO kit, I'd be more than happy to answer you via pm or email. As you are in Australia, you could also give Lee a call at our office in Melbourne.

300whp at 10~12psi is reachable on 93 octane, and has been reached here on 92 octane (10% ethanol blend). A pure 93 octane would make it even easier. Octane is the real limiter on power, the turbocharger itself isn't really even being worked that hard at those boost levels.

I'm not sure why cooling at the track was brought up, but given the extensive links and videos to cars in the UK, Japan, Taiwan, and America of AVO kitted cars being tracked successfully, I'd say that it's an obvious non-issue. We have over 14 owners in our Washington state area with AVO turbo kits, from pure daily drivers to owners that occasionally see the track, and no-one has had issues with them.

Do keep in mind that a realistic 300whp build will need a clutch due to the torque at that level of power, and a full exhaust upgrade should really be considered a minimum as well.

Odd that AVO has no problem with heat when beating the piss out of their racecar at Tsukuba.

This post doesn't provide the whole story either yet you choose not to attack that comment? How do you know that comment you quoted was meant to slight said kit? He was just stating his experiences, isn't that what this thread is about?

To @AVOturboworld how many of those many cars have cooling upgrades that you know of? You seemingly conveniently left that part out

The Frozen North

Both sides need to stop measuring their turbo penises

Welcome to he Internet. You must be new here.

I honestly don't know the level of modifications of every car that's racing with an AVO kit, simply because there's that many of them. We've got 4 different AVO branches handling different corners of the globe, with about 180 turbo kits and growing.

What I generally see is a radiator upgrade plus an oil cooler upgrade for the dedicated track stars. Yet I think what people are conveniently overlooking is that you'd really need that for a standard car that's being tracked constantly as well.

The AVO car at Tsukuba has progressed from a totally stock cooling system, to a radiator upgrade, and now an oil cooler upgrade. It's just common sense from a track perspective. For perspective, all four offices are run by people with racing licenses (though I admit, mine's not current anymore).

I spent about 8-10 years working as a driver and photojournalist for magazines, and one thing I learned is that nearly any stock car barring purpose built exotics will easily overheat at the circuit. And even if you then take said stock cars and upgrade them for the circuit, you can still overheat them if you are trying to, or don't know what you are doing. There is an art to racing, a certain amount of mechanical sympathy must be given if you want your race car to make it to the end of the race.

One thing we've found is that once you get above about 105mph, the standard front bumper design of the fr-s/brz becomes less effective at pushing air through the radiator, and temperatures began to rise. When we added the lip spoiler, more air got forced through the radiator instead of just going under the bumper, and temperatures went down.

You could theoretically blame that issue on the turbo kit because it enabled us to reach those speeds on the track! But more realistically, many of the reported heat issues probably has more to do with the harshness of track duty and the unique challenges it has for any car build.

The AVO car at Tsukuba is doing a time attack. Generally that means an out lap to get the tires and brakes warm then what is called a flyer lap and then a cool down lap. The car really only needs to survive one lap to set a fast time attack / time trails lap time.

as if i was serious

please

Why would I call out a post that is pointing to the misleading nature of the same post I criticized??

I read it as a slight against the kit because it that is simply how it reads. He's not sharing his experience. He's sharing his 3rd hand observation of someone else's experience without enough peripheral information to understand what happened. If it was in any way an objective post, he wouldn't have shared this experience without including information for context.

I'm not denying that boosting this car generally necessitates a cooling upgrade, I have a rad and and an oil cooler myself. There are however people on here saying that avo kits or pt tuning don't require them. Adding horsepower to any engine increases the heat it generates whether it be turbo, super charger or even high power NA.

The Frozen North

I assume you have an avo kit. The comment I brought up was third party argument against the third party argument you quoted. Two wrongs don't make a right
As much as you may not like it that's how people work. If they see people having issues with a kit they assume the worst and don't ask questions.

I have the FBM kit and I have no regrets in choosing it and would and do recommend it to others

The Frozen North

Assuming the worst is one thing. Sharing it with the pretext that the kit is at fault (for no good reason) is another. It's not productive for the community.

And no, I'm not partial to either of these kits. I own neither.

Technically speaking the kit is as fault. It adds horsepower beyond what the factory cooling system was designed to handle just like most kits.

The Frozen North