What about the DI system sucks? I am probably just ignorant but am curious.

I like our DI system honestly. I don't see it as a gimmick but something that is actually useful to the engine.

I just don't like that 2012 buyers can't get the latest ecu calib that supposedly fixes the di seal issue, we got left out in the cold.

Dude stop tye fanboi crap. Both the brz and wrx cost EXACTLY the same. My friend got his 2013 wrx for $27k otd. The wrx has AWD actual usable power and it most definetely not outran by mini vans.

There is much more real value added features/components on a WRX, if they can sell it for $27k they can sell a trubo BRZ for $27k. The accountants are just paying the capital &dev depreciation with the mark-up. Plus Tada wanted an NA.

He said in CANADA which is absolutely true: the base wrx is more expensive. Look it up on the Canadian scion and subaru websites.

Ya that's not always a good case though. My eagle Talon years ago went through two turbos and every excuse in the book was used neither was fully covered maybe 20-25% they covered. Warranty is not as magical as thought always ..

Check the f×××ing website. MRSP in Canadian dollars before taxes, fees or levies is what I quoted above. It's a fact.

I'm just going to go ahead and say it... Mini vans now at days are fuckin fast. Ever get a ride in a '13 Toyota Sienna? I did when I took my FR-S in for service and had to get a ride home... Shit changed ma life :lol:

Minvans also weigh a ton. A Sienna is close to 4500lbs. My 2013 Honda Odyssey is close to 4400lbs.

I can assure you my Odyssey is not faster than my BRZ. Yes, they have decent pickup for their weight, but consider the power to weight ratio. That Sienna almost weighs double but only has 66 more hp.

What the minivans do have is more torque. But owning both, I can tell you that if you get beat by a minivan it is only because you are not pushing your car hard enough. Especially when you consider most minivans typically have more people in them, and more stuff which adds to the weight issue. And if you thrown any type of turn into the mix forget about it.

Will a car no one's seen with an engine no one's seen (that's based off of our engine) fit in our car?













Really? Are you asking that question?

You're an idiot.

The WRX is based off the impreza, platform sharing lowers cost. The impreza is a "cheap" car. Large production numbers lower cost. Minimal development dollars being spent to design a car lower final cost. The impreza chassis that the WRX is based off of, STILL traces back to the original impreza chassis from 1993, which was itself based off the even older Legacy chassis.

Meanwhile the 86 is a largely unique chassis, developed extensively over years, with a unique motor and it's brand new.

C/n: If the WRX is so much better in your mind then go buy one and stop posting here please.

Did you know the 86 chassis is moderately based off a legacy platform and shares parts with the impreza, and its FA was designed off subaru's FB? Because it does.
Though your main point is spot on, the WRX is subaru's profit maker because of its bloodline.

Yes I did. but while they borrowed as much as they can it's still unique and had to redesigned (the chassis). Same goes for the FA, as based off the FB as it is it was still gone thru and re-engineered. That cost money.

The 86 is "hacked together" from subaru bits, borrowed from the catalog where possible, absolutely, but after they figured out what could be borrowed they had to sit down and re-engineer everything to work properly, be a balanced and low as possible and as light as possible. That's not cheap. If the car was an assortment of bits without any hard engineering it wouldn't have taken nearly as long to get to market.

Paying for re-engineering is still much cheaper than full on engineering; thats one reason why it could be offered ~$25k. Im sure all the competition is going to be frankenstien'd too so they can keep competitive pricing available.

No, every VW//Porsche/Audi (and all the companies they own...) car on the MQB platform will be unique and special.





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What? clarify this please? Why do 2012 buyers not get latest ecu calibration?

Because there is no technical service bulletin (TSB) that service techs can reference to get the latest calibration file. In order for them to install it, they need a TSB to reference. Stupid, but it is what it is. Hopefully Toyota/Subaru will create a TSB and folks that have a build date prior to Jan 2013 can get the latest ECU file. Otherwise you would have to pay for it yourself via a tune.

I love the D4S sucks comment especially since Subaru made a DI engine before and it sucked balls so they scrapped it. Part of the deal with the twins was that they could learn how Toyota does DI and improve their own system.

Yerp

I want the engine in the 2002 chevy tahoe to fit in the FRS..... WHAT A DREAM

I don't think this is really as big of an issue as the forums would have you think it is. I got mine in June 2012 and have done plenty of aggressive driving with 0 issues. I think some people have just gotten off units. My guess is potential issues with certain motors on the line? A bad order of parts for the seals with quality issues? Who knows, but if it was really all cars there would be a LOT more people complaining about this. Especially those like my buddy that hammers on his constantly and is closing in on 50k miles.

Does it really need fixing? Maybe the issue is the driver and not the car? I've driven plenty of track time in my own car to know that I love it, and find that it's a great vehicle to use to help the driver get better instead of relying on gobs of power to overcome the drivers poor habits.

5% failure rate would be way outside what is acceptable. Try .5% for any mainstream Japanese manufacturers. The reason the cars they make are so bland is they make stuff right and are very slow to change.

I know this is totally off topic but I think we all agree this thread has been jacked anyway. Subaru and Toyota know that most of the potential buyers of this car have done so already, so they have no economic reason to release a better performing car within the next ~3 years… They know that most of us can't just sell the car and upgrade to the faster version every time, so they purposely wait a couple years (product cycles). Its very rare that major performance upgrades are added to a car while its still in cycle because then it just decreases the marketability of the next generation… IMHO don't expect anything FI for this model until the next generation comes out, the best we'll see from this generation is minor cosmetic upgrades… just put yourselves in the accountants shoes and then answer your questions…

In regards to the WRX engine swap or part transfer, pick two;
Low Cost
Performance
Durability

And if you pay someone enough, they will build you a bugatti, its how cars works :P

I don't consider the FRZ re-engineered. The Chassis is ground floor from scratch for all but a few small things (which here will always be). Paying for that capital and R&D is why you get much less "car" for the same money as the WRX. Its why the FRZ is so expensive for is #'s. Many of us bought the FRZ for the ground up sports oriented chassis.


As been said many times in a decade there will be several options for more power (including a FA20DIT variant)but you can never upgrade the chassis. Especially with this thing selling over 40k units a year just in the US there will be many less expensive upgrades. Next year we will probably be able to buy an innvoate with romraider tune for under $3k.


The more of these they sell the less expensive the power upgrades will become due to volume. I think this was part of Tada's plan.

Im sure many dont consider these twins re-engineered, but that is ignoring the facts. Calling this car expensive for what it is is also ignoring the facts. Given its chassis and driveline is largely from parts bin items from throughout the industry, plus its $25k cost for the 6spd, RWD, 100hp/L, balance, MPG, DIT, and unique design. You can see the car is neither built from the ground floor up, nor expensive for what it offers. There are other cars that are much truer examples of ground floor up engineering and costly for what it is, but this isnt one of them.

None of this is to say that it wasnt purpose built, its obvious that the implementation of all the parts was very specific and the successful outcome reflects that. Trying to price compete with a brands 20 year old halo staple is just an unrealistic goal. The wrx/sti is consistently one of the best bang for your buck models on the road... depending on what you consider 'bang.'

Delayed response ftw. It's worse than just the ring lands. It had full on bottom end knock.