|
Quote:
|
are you "concerned" because somehow your car will be physically different because of what's said about it in a magazine or if you will lose resale value or if others will think you bought a crappy car or what?
My car has been very reliable for me so far and I already know the common issues with the car. Those are relatively minor, except for the cam gear thing (hasn't happened to me) which the warranty will cover. Yeah, it's definitely got more little problems than a corolla or camry but they are minor problems and not deal breakers. Meanwhile, enjoy the drive! |
Anyone concerned with Consumers "not recomended rating"?
Quote:
I've subscribed to CR maybe two or three times in my lifetime and I've noticed they are often biased or often they don't test every brand or preferred model of a brand of appliance. Yeah, they do bring up pertinent issues at times but, if I subscribe to their magazine they also require me to subscribe to their website to see information - not a good deal for me as a consumer. :thumbdown: Not sure if I agree that their target demographic audience is "the elderly"...seems like they are more geared to the "trendy" generation of upwardly mobile people who are gonna spend money on stuff they review in their articles. Hey, Consumer Reports!!! The 86 cars should be a car enthusiast "Recommended Buy"! But, that's OK, we prefer the badge of honor to be "Banned by Consumer Reports" cause very few of us can recommend you as relevant authority on cars!!! |
1 Attachment(s)
|
CR is not an enthusiast publication. The 86 is an enthusiast car.
They didn't like the wrx, either. I just traded in a 3 yo wrx, 34K miles for 80% of what I paid new. It was reasonably well cared for, but saw three serious winters, was never garaged. So I would not say CR is having much impact. Shrug. |
If I were a new car buyer, I would seek as much information about a vehicle before making a purchasing decision. From my experience Consumer Reports has always provided additional valuable data points, especially around reliability. This forum being more enthusiast (and ego) driven also provides some excellent data points. However, a new car buyer who happens to read both cannot overlook that the threads under the TSB section of this forum and Consumer Reports' findings are in-line with each other.
I love my BRZ. Fortunately I haven't had any mechanical problems with it. I admit, it's really easy for me to get defensive when I read bad things about something I already own. But putting myself back in the shoes of a new car buyer, I cannot say I would feel as comfortable buying a new Toyobaru taking into consideration all the information that's out there. |
From their (Consumer Reports) website:
Consumer Reports is the largest, most trusted independent product testing organization in the world. We accept no advertising, pay for all the products we test, and, as a not for profit organization, we have no shareholders. When you subscribe to Consumer Reports, you are supporting our efforts to test and rate thousands of products and services every year, furthering our mission to empower consumers. Quote:
|
Agreed. But keep in mind that the BRZ's total annual production was probably under or about 8000 vehicles out of 84 Million vehicles built in the world in 2012.
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
The difference is probably related to how the dealerships handled those cases.
|
Quote:
Considering the rest of the world and early articles with Fuji Heavy Industries targeting 100,000 86's a year you might be underselling how many have been made. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10766 Quote:
|
Boxer486: Wow I didn't realize there was such a difference between Subaru & Toyota service. There are 6 other cars in the rankings between the FR-S and the BRZ. If service is the difference, then it seems to me a case of lies, damned lies, and statistics. Suppose 10 people take their cars to service for condensation in a taillight. Five take their FR-Ss to Toyota and get them fixed immediately. Five take their BRZs to Subaru and they don't get fixed so they have to take them back a second time. I suppose in this case CR would say the BRZ is twice as unreliable because all they do is add up and divide numbers. If they took the time to look at what's going on it would be obvious there's no difference in the inherent reliability of the cars. Probably every one else already realizes this--I'm just slow to get the picture.
|
Quote:
No, I'm on the fence on this one and don't have a strong opinion on CR's findings one way or another. But,I do hope it doesn't hurt resale value and hope the new model teething pains are not a sign of more serious issues to come. |
I wipe my ass with CR automotive articles and car reviews...they have as much business rating cars as I have planning weddings....
|
Anyone who takes Consumer Reports seriously, when it comes to judging a sports car, needs to just buy a Camry.
|
Question: From where do you get the pages?
Answer: From the waiting room on your monthly visit to your proctologist. Quote:
|
CR is only good for when you have no reading material and are taking a huge poo.
|
All you need to read to know CR is full of crap is what they say about the Jeep Wrangler and the shady business with the Suzuki Samurai.
|
Haven't read the the Consumer Reports review but, in my opinion:
Wrangler or Wrangler Limited: 1. Very low gas mileage 2. Overpriced 3. Poor ride quality relative to other SUV's in its class 4. The design is getting old but is sold because it is unique, has a popular trade name (Jeep) and has a cult following. They may have great off-road qualities but most buyers, I suspect, don't take them off-road much. Consumer Reports has only had a preliminary review of the 2014 Jeep Cherokee but I expect their 'full' review will be very complimentary. The Cherokee replaces the 'Liberty' which was a big loser. Quote:
|
".....and are taking a huge poo...." Another opinionated poster that includes human or animal excrement in his/her limited vocabulary. Another monthly visitor to their proctologist.
Quote:
|
Quote:
After all, buy what you need, want, like the most, it is your money, your ride, your to look at, and your to care for. You don't get married to a women because she has good rating from friends and family. To male enthusiasts like us, cars are like our second wife. Probably similar to female enthusiasts with cars as their second husband |
Quote:
Quote:
|
Hahaha... so much hate on this forum when anything negative gets said about the 86... People on this forum remind of "Apple people". Too blinded by "perfection" to admit flaws, and this car (and the iPhone btw) has its share of flaws.
Consumer Reports is spot on. I would not recommend this car to the average consumer. I love it but I love it because I am willing to deal with its flaws as a compromise to everything else it gives me. The average consumer (i.e. people reading consumer reports) shouldn't buy this car. I say good job to Consumer Reports for not getting too caught up in the 86-Fad and giving an honest review. Consumer reports relies on feedback from consumers. So when they send out surveys and 75% of the people that have this car have taken it in for warranty work 3-4 times over the last year, it becomes an unreliable car. P.S. Consumer reports are not allowed to accept money or products from the companies that they are reviewing. When they review 10 different dishwashers, they buy all 10 dishwashers at full price so that their reviews are only biased by the people reviewing them. How many other journalist outlets can claim that? |
The amount of cognitive dissonance in this forum is astounding.
CR says that the twins have a lot of issues. Instead of saying "yup, they sure do!", the entire forum decides to dump on CR. Ridiculous. Maybe they're not a magazine for enthusiasts, but they're not wrong either. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
I really don't care what they say I've had this car since the end of June I've been to the shop 0 times. I'm aware of the chirping and the condensation in the tail lights also hearing people who have been over correcting the steering and not trusting the cars ability to do itself. This weekend will be it's first time in the shop for maintenance. But what I don't want is 10 years from now these CR reviews causing my car a bad resale value just because of some bad reviews. If I wanted a car that does the driving and the thinking for me I'd get a Mercedes.
|
Quote:
|
Not worried. They were probably a bit hasty in their dropping their version of the hammer on the twins...
True: the beginning of the run of BRZ/FR-S's had some issues. the end of the run for 2013 (July) is a different story (which is why we waited a bit) CR also go all pouty about some of their fave beigemobiles from toyota. Their relevance and credibility are waning in a digital age where all the information needed to draw one's own conclusions is just a google away. Everyone knows that those with an axe to grind tend to be the ones to go off on web rants, the same holds true for surveys. responder bias. MINIs are consistently among the least reliable conveyances in autodom yet people buy them as fast as they can cobble them together, drive them, and enjoy them... |
All the information you need is a google away? Good lord, we are so screwed. Just because it's on the internet doesn't mean it's good information. CR is still the best database for aggregated consumer reported reliability ratings. They still attempt to conduct scientific testing of consumer products. While jd powers survey ratings are more accessible, they are far more ambiguous than cr which breaks everything down to which areas the issues are and what methods they used to reach their conclusions.
I love my car and plan to keep it forever so I really don't care what cr says. I've had my issues with this car and I'm ok with it so far. |
There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism on the part of Consumer Reports if based upon valued reasoning. In this case, although I have yet read the review, the CR criticism is based upon vehicle owner research. It is the reader that must make the final conclusion. In this country of free enterprise, he/she is free to do so. (of course, nothing is free, ask any military veteran)
The REAL TEST is how Toyota & Subaru respond to the issues. In the last 20 - 30 years my conclusion has been that Japanese companies were successful in doing this relatively quickly. They READ the criticism, they RESPONDED to the criticism and they REAPED the benefits. The American manufacturers have been much slower and, hence, their resultant competitive edge minimized. Although I did not do it in this case, the lesson learned, at least for me, is NOT to buy a first year model vehicle and preferably to buy the LAST or near last in the vehicle manufacturing model run. |
i am concerned. it affects resale value. even if i personally don't agree with the criticisms, it will affect me in the end.
|
CR is BS. Those consumers are idiots.
|
Quote:
|
As someone that recently purchased a new BRZ after reading CR's ratings, I can tell you it did weigh in on my purchase, but clearly didn't make the choice for me. It also didn't tell me anything I didn't already know by reading forums like this one. The radio/nav unit has had some issues. There are also some rattles. While the overall "reliability" circle gets filled with black (bad) because of those two things, those of us doing our research look closer and the breakdown shows there are actually quite a few things that are VERY reliable on this car. And in my mind, the important things for reliability are reliable.
The following is the list of item that got better then average reliability ratings:
Again compare that to the two items that are marked as "much worse than average":
I suspect that these items will improve. For instance, my 2014 BRZ doesn't exhibit some of the Nav system issues I've read about. It's still not a great system but I don't seem to have any issues picking up Sats and such. |
The Navigation hurt the BRZ more than the FRS, that is why it shows up worse.
Funny how all the fan boys say CR is crap when it is the owners who report the defects. |
I'm not concerned at all. I've always had great results from my Toyota's and I'm not racing the new FR-S. So it's all goods far as I am concerned:thumbup:
|
Calm down gentlemen, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Besides Consumer Report reviews tend to the average consumer anyway. No need to get bent out of shape because of what he or she said.
|
| All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:29 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by
Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) -
vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2026 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.